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Latin Grounds (The greatest dead language of them all takes on new life)
The American Prowler ^ | 10/20/2003 | John R. Dunlap

Posted on 10/20/2003 11:33:36 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Two Fridays ago, about twenty minutes before my 11:45 Elementary Latin class, a student came to my office to drop the course. It was the end of the third week of the fall quarter, and she had scored below 50 (on a scale of 100) in the first two quizzes.

"I really like the class," she said, somewhat sheepishly, as I was filling out and signing the drop form. "My grandma had Latin when she was in school, and she wanted me to take it in college. I like the class, but … well, the pace is too fast for me now."

In fact, the pace is pretty slow -- almost too slow for some of the brighter students. The classics department stretches the Elementary Latin sequence -- the forty chapters of the popular Wheelock text -- through an entire academic year, from September to June. But I didn't argue with the student. We chatted about school briefly, and I suggested she might want to try the course again next year. She said she probably would.

She probably won't. For ten minutes or so after she left and before I had to leave for class, I thought about the course and the students. In the classics department, we now rotate the Elementary Latin sequence between two teachers. The last time I taught the sequence was three years ago; before that, I had taught it every other year for almost a decade; and for fifteen years before the biennial schedule, I had taught it every year. It occurred to me that I am teaching the Latin sequence this year for the twenty-first time in twenty-six years.

Ordinarily, I would expect to have lost about a quarter of the class by the end of the third week. In the past, the routine was an initial enrollment of 20 to 25 students, with an early attrition of five or six. This year (and last year as well for the other teacher -- a trend maybe?) the initial enrollment was over 30, and the student who came to my office was only the second to drop the course. I still have 31 students (inconceivable!) when I would expect 15 to 20.

More baffled than pleased by the high enrollment, I've taken class time to ask the students what they're doing in such a course. Don't they know that Latin is a dead language? Artifact of a spent civilization? Upperclass bauble of a superannuated education system? Irrelevant? Impractical?

Their answers brushed aside my lame irony. Some students want to get through the university's language requirement without burning their ears off in a language lab; learning Latin, they've heard, requires only a reading knowledge, without the awkward business of achieving a decipherable pronunciation.

Most answers, though, were more serious. The science and business and pre-law majors are looking for easier access to technical terms; the English and history and language majors want a more intimate connection to sources; the undecideds (almost half the class) are thinking of making classics a major or a minor.

They all come with the notion that Latin is going to give them greater facility with English. As one classroom wit put it, "I want to stop feeling clueless when a teacher uses words like superannuated."

In a famous essay, first delivered as a speech at Oxford in 1948 ("The Lost Tools of Learning"), Dorothy Sayers sums up my Latin students' motives: "I will say at once, quite firmly, that the best grounding for education is the Latin grammar. I say this, not because Latin is traditional and medieval, but simply because even a rudimentary knowledge of Latin cuts down the labor and pains of learning almost any other subject by at least fifty percent. It is the key to the vocabulary and structure of all the Romance languages and to the structure of all the Teutonic languages, as well as to the technical vocabulary of all the sciences and to the literature of the entire Mediterranean civilization, together with all its historical documents."

Needless to say, my students have never heard of Dorothy Sayers, much less read her theological essays or detective fiction or translations of Dante. Yet somehow (do they all have grandparents who took Latin?) they've picked up the gist of what she said two generations ago; they expect, somehow, that the study of Latin is going to make bookish things easier for them.

Still, there's more to the study, apparently, than pedagogical utility, and I had taught Elementary Latin for more than ten years before this point first dawned on me, thanks in part to a comment made by a student near the end of the sequence some fourteen years ago. He told me he had signed up for Latin to get a requirement out of the way. "But this is my favorite class," he said, "and I finally figured out why. It keeps reminding me of what I'm doing in school when I don't want to be there."

His point, I think, was that the study of Latin is a kind of paradigm for learning. When my students do Latin, they start from the ground up, from simple morphological arrangements gradually inching up to tightly interrelated grammatical connections of great complexity, subtlety, and even a kind of beauty.

In their other classes, they need to haul in a lot of baggage from what they have already learned; they can't jump into the calculus, for instance, without tediously habituated skills in arithmetic and algebra. But in Elementary Latin, they start plumb at the bottom, with no more than the alphabet the Romans handed down to them, bringing their newly adult sensibilities to bear on a rudimentary learning endeavor, recollecting a childlike wonder before a world at once supple, intermittently difficult, often puzzling, sometimes impossible, but incrementally intelligible.

All this ran through my head for about ten minutes two Fridays ago before I went to my Latin class for yet another excursion into the same old declensions and conjugations and parsings and translations. All 31 students were present, their rapt attention a silent rebuke to my own jadedness.

John R. Dunlap teaches in the Department of Classics at Santa Clara University


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1 posted on 10/20/2003 11:33:37 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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2 posted on 10/20/2003 11:34:57 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
In today's Latin classes, is it correct to pronounce the Latin like a Chicagoan or like a Sicilian?

In other words, I hear Latin being spoken with an English cadence, rhythm and accent.

Should it have a more "Italian" pronunciation instead?
3 posted on 10/20/2003 11:38:03 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: nickcarraway
I took 3 years of Latin in high school. I still can't order a hamburger from a Latino at Burger King.
4 posted on 10/20/2003 11:38:13 AM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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Roman Numeral Clock
5 posted on 10/20/2003 11:42:12 AM PDT by Consort
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To: nickcarraway
Lately, I have been thinking about learning either Latin or ancient Hebrew...don't know which to choose...
6 posted on 10/20/2003 11:45:21 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Blue Screen of Death
I took 3 years of Latin in high school. I still can't order a hamburger from a Latino at Burger King.

Yeah, but because you took those 3 years of Latin you're not workin' in the BK...
7 posted on 10/20/2003 11:47:13 AM PDT by G L Tirebiter
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To: nickcarraway
BTTT
8 posted on 10/20/2003 11:48:30 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: what's up
My oldest son's class was the last that offered Latin as an option. I homeschooled my youngest son through high school.. he has sinced learned Norwegian and is now studying Greek. I would suggest Latin as it is the root of many other languages. It's too bad that Latin has been put by the wayside. Although, with homeschoolers it is quite popular.
9 posted on 10/20/2003 11:50:27 AM PDT by Zipporah
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Urban Legend about Quayle and Latin
Quote:   Vice-President Dan Quayle once said, "I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people."

Status:   False.

Origins:

In April 1989, Representative Claudine Schneider of Rhode Island told a gathering of Republicans that she had recently attended an event at the Belgian embassy, where Vice-President Quayle complimented her on her command of French. Then, Schneider said, the Vice-President added: "I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people." Ms. Schneider concluded by admitting that the story was merely a joke, but not all the newspapers reported it that way. Several publications, either through carelessness or a desire not to let the truth get in the way of a good story, reported the story as true. The culprits included such venerable publications as Newsday, the Chicago Tribune, Newsweek, and Time. The fabricated misquote took hold because it sounded exactly like something Dan Quayle (or, more accurately, the Dan Quayle of public perception) would say, and no amount of correction could dislodge it from the public vocabulary.


10 posted on 10/20/2003 11:51:05 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: nickcarraway
They all come with the notion that Latin is going to give them greater facility with English. As one classroom wit put it, "I want to stop feeling clueless when a teacher uses words like superannuated."

OTOH, he could learn how to use the English language. Probably at least 50% of English words are directly or indirectly derived from Latin.

12 posted on 10/20/2003 11:52:45 AM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: nickcarraway
So Latin class is packed. Math class is also packed. This could be a trend since WTC911. Getting serious.

Wheelock is the standard? If you are going to continue to graduate level, you will need Greek, too, and maybe some others. It looks like Greek, Arabic, Sanskrit, Hebrew, and the rest is something you'll have to pick up on your own, and your texts will end up being something first published 150 years ago.

13 posted on 10/20/2003 11:53:48 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Zipporah
It's too bad that Latin has been put by the wayside.

I agree. I only had one year of Latin, long after college, but I learned more in that than I did of all the Spanish and German classes I'd struggled with in school.

My subsequent classes in Scottish Gaelic were good for this as well, though of course Gaelic helps little with English vocabulary.

14 posted on 10/20/2003 12:01:51 PM PDT by Eala (FR Traditional Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: nickcarraway
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
15 posted on 10/20/2003 12:03:09 PM PDT by Tac12
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To: RightWhale
Do any other countries use Latin the way we do? I assume the brits use latin in law the way we do, I know they rely on it heavily in the sciences.

Anyone else?

16 posted on 10/20/2003 12:03:11 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: what's up
I loved my Latin class. When I decided to teach myself French (main non!), it was a breeze. Breaking words down into their deritives is also facilitated. That's my recommendation.
17 posted on 10/20/2003 12:05:01 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: Tac12
Semper ubi sub ubi.
18 posted on 10/20/2003 12:07:43 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: RightWhale
Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.
19 posted on 10/20/2003 12:08:41 PM PDT by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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20 posted on 10/20/2003 12:10:05 PM PDT by Lyford
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