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Ben Carson implosion isn't good news for Republican elites. It's good news for Trump.
Vox ^ | November 6, 2015 | dylan

Posted on 11/06/2015 3:46:17 PM PST by entropy12

A national poll released by Fox News this week asked Republican voters who they'd support with and without Carson in the race. Without Carson, Trump gains 8 percentage points, Marco Rubio gains 5, and Cruz gains 3: Sans Carson, Trump goes from 26 to 34% Cruz goes from 11 to 14% Rubio goes from 11 to 16%

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TOPICS: Campaign News
KEYWORDS: bencarsonarticle; bencarsonhitpiece; carson; elections; losercarson; mediabias; trump
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To: A CA Guy

Some people need to be stabbed in the back more than once?


61 posted on 11/06/2015 6:53:53 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: entropy12

Bookmark


62 posted on 11/06/2015 7:00:44 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

We all have been for decades.


63 posted on 11/06/2015 7:44:49 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: erod

This is another example of Cruz pushing for the cheap labor express of foreign workers imported to cheapen American wages and even worse displace American workers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHlGlNwsQb0


64 posted on 11/06/2015 7:46:09 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: Jeff Head

In my opinion, Herman Cain would have been a great president, Ben Carson I can live with, but he has never managed anything big like Herman Cain did. Carson might turn out to be just as inept as another dude who never managed anything before elected president, Buraq Hussein Obama.


65 posted on 11/06/2015 7:50:12 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: maddog55

I have waited 45 years since was naturalized US citizen, for an America First president. Someone who will not be controlled by rich donors. Someone who unabashedly loves America. Someone who has shown a knack to manage large business because America is the largest economy until China surpasses us, if we keep giving them $400 Billion every year to buy up our land, our businesses, our mines, our farms, our industry, and our Treasury bonds on which we will pay them interest in perpetuity.

Finally that man has arrived, by the name of Donald Trump. Every other candidate will be controlled by their rich donors. They will all push for cheap foreign workers and allow exporting our manufacturing to cheap labor countries. That is exactly what is happening for 5 decades. Even a good conservative like Ted Cruz must bow to orders of his rich donors. No more getting screwed by China, Japan & Mexico. No more H1-B visa cheap foreign workers until the 94 Million unemployed Americans find good jobs. No more stupid Iraq wars fought on China credit card.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHlGlNwsQb0


66 posted on 11/06/2015 8:13:24 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: entropy12

There is a huge difference between Obama and his lack of experience and Carson’s.

Obama hates America...Carson loves it.

In addition, I can tell you from personal experience that managing a large, intricate operation, with four or five surgical teams, and a person’s life in the balance is a “big deal.”

Carson knows how to put together an intricate team and manage it to success. Obama never had such experience.


67 posted on 11/06/2015 8:20:55 PM PST by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Duchess47

All I have seen is ad hominem attacks against Trump such as his hair, his Tone, his not so calm personality, etc.

No Lies have surfaced, no bimbo’s have surfaced, no drunk driving tickets, no drug rumors. Actually Trump does not drink alcohol or smoke. Even his ex-wife came out to defend Donald against innuendo’s in the media.


68 posted on 11/06/2015 8:26:33 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: bigtoona

I believe he prefers the media traps to real issues. I am waiting for him to put something of substance on the table.

Yeah, I know he’s smart, nice, and a Christian. I am waitiing to see what he has to offer. So far, he is not putting up. He is not addressing issues with substance.


69 posted on 11/06/2015 8:27:33 PM PST by boycott
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To: A CA Guy

Besides those 3, I could also vote for Rand in general only because he is for smaller government, which is the chief source of our problems. But if Bush, Rubio, Fiorina or Kasich become the nominee, I will stay home, first time since 1972.


70 posted on 11/06/2015 8:30:10 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: flaglady47

Bravo Sierra.


71 posted on 11/06/2015 8:31:11 PM PST by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Jeff Head

Loving America is great, but if one has never successfully manged any large entity on his resume, I have my concerns.


72 posted on 11/06/2015 8:32:34 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: entropy12
I'm not crazy about the H1-B1 visas and Cruz, he isn't perfect I will admit that, but Sen. Cruz is for legal immigration not illegal immigration. Cruz didn't cross the isle like Rubio with the Gang of 8 bill or call the GOP "mean spirited on illegal immigration" like Trump did 3 years ago in 2012 when he was more liberal on immigration. In fact, Trump supports a form of H1-B1 visas in the last debate when he was quoted as saying,

As far as Mark is concerned, as far as the visas are concerned, if we need people, they have — it’s fine. They have to come into this country legally. We have a country of borders. We have a country of laws. We have to obey the laws. It’s fine if they come in, but they have to come in legally..

I was not at all critical of him. I was not at all. In fact, frankly, he’s complaining about the fact that we’re losing some of the most talented people. They go to Harvard. They go to Yale. They go to Princeton. They come from another country and they’re immediately sent out. I am all in favor of keeping these talented people here so they can go to work in Silicon Valley.

Trump did walk this statement back when he was called on it, then he went into chameleon mode changed his position and repackaged it for his base. I trust Cruz more than I trust Trump on immigration. Cruz isn't perfect but Trump has weakened his stance on illegal immigration since this summer, from wanting only the "good illegal immigrants to stay in the USA" or scaling back his wall that Mexico will pay for from 3,000 to 1,000 feet.

73 posted on 11/06/2015 8:34:45 PM PST by erod (Chicago Conservative | Cruz or Lose!)
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To: entropy12

lol...perhaps true! So what you are saying is Carson would be best as a stealth candidate!


He’s better off not talking and maybe just posing. There are those that can wish him to be anything they want.

Some of these folks remind me of Joe Biden talking about obama ......

“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. ... “ — Joe Biden


74 posted on 11/06/2015 8:34:58 PM PST by boycott
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To: Jeff Head

You can also say Obama managed Community Organizing in Chicago pretty well. But that is not an endeavor which requires balancing budgets, reducing waste, signing paychecks on the front, control tax implications of actions, watch for the bottom line.


75 posted on 11/06/2015 8:37:11 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: erod

No argument, Cruz is 10 times better than Rubio on immigration. Only reason I pick on H1-B visa issue is to show that rich donors will get what they want.


76 posted on 11/06/2015 8:38:23 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: entropy12
Like I said...managing the types of srurgical procedures that Carson has done literally thousands of times, with the lives of real people hanging in the balance, the vast majority of which were children, is omething that tells us a whole lot about his management and organizational skills.

He also knows that America offers opportunity to anyone and has lived that dream himself.

He loves this country, he has a deep and abiding love and trust in God.

And he knows how to successfully manage very talented people, teams, and resources to successfully save lives. Having sad all of that, my principle support in these primaries and in the general if he is the nominee is for Ted Cruz. He is the one who understands, stands up for, has fought tooth and nail for the Constitution, and has done it within Washington DC as a Senator.

77 posted on 11/06/2015 8:44:43 PM PST by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: boycott

Carson is what folks project him to be so every time he opens his mouth he proves those projections wrong and losses support.

Anyone remotely paying attention can tell you without Carson, Trump gains the most.

About the only group who dropping out wouldn’t help Carson are the GOPe candidates. Everyone else that leaves Trump will get the majority of their supporters.

A GOPe supporter however will just bounce to the next GOPe candidate if their main guy quits


78 posted on 11/06/2015 8:50:47 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: SaxxonWoods
He’s the first black candidate for President to have his college records researched.

That knee-slapper will not amuse Charlie Rose.

Charlie Rose and Tom Brokaw in 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzMas1bVidw&t=2m40s

79 posted on 11/06/2015 8:52:00 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: entropy12

FRiend with all due respect do you think H1B1 will stop in a Trump administration? I admit that it has been abused, but in the gang of 8 bill that Cruz put in for the H1B1 increase he also proposed measures to prevent illegal aliens from receiving welfare benefits, and enforce the rule of law. Cruz is strong on cracking down on illegal immigration, my problem of trusting Trump with immigration is that he his flipped and flopped so many times on the issues that I don’t know which Trump is the real Trump.


80 posted on 11/06/2015 8:52:21 PM PST by erod (Chicago Conservative | Cruz or Lose!)
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