Posted on 04/26/2012 7:24:26 PM PDT by Windflier
...recognize that the election of the likes of Romney will make a successful run by an actual conservative, an actual Republican, an actual patriot, an actual candidate who will not sell out on each and every issue of actual importance to conservatives, an actual POTUS who can rally Republicans, conservatives, Reagan Democrats and genuine independents to the cause of restoring and preserving Western Civilization in this nation, as opposed to obsessing on paying off his rich friends and bailing out his incompetent Wall Street boodlers and peers, unlikely until at least 2016.
In the event that Romney loses now, or in the more difficult event that he can be successfully forced out in just four years, then conservatives (actual conservatives) can succeed in 2016.
If Romney is nominated and re-nominated in 2016, the earliest victory would be in 2020, and only if conservatives can convince the public that Romney's manifest liberal failures are NOT the responsibility of whatever party will by then be the actual opposition party to the Demonrats.
Neither 2016 nor 2020 look promising but, from the perspective of the disaster that was Gerald Ford's nomination in 1976, neither did 1980 look promising. No candidate who ran this year is an analogy to Reagan's run in 1976 which was necessary to his 1980 landslide over the worthless Carter (Obozo I) and to the defeat of a net 12 radical Demonrats (possibly excepting Talmadge) in the US Senate of the time, as well as of Jacob Javits, George McGovern, Gaylord Nelson, Herman Talmadge, Robert Morgan, Frank Church, Birch Bayh, and John Durkin, all defeated that year in the general.
Such an election in 2016 will be possible IF and only if the above-described actually conservative folks can settle long in advance on ONE and only ONE extremely capable candidate, burning with a true raging flame and dedicated above all to the babies, to gun rights, to preserving one man and one woman as the one and only form of marriage to be recognized in our nation now and forever, cutting taxes not on the greedy Wall Street pigs who have created the economic disaster and tragedy that Obozo gladly perpetuates (with their heavy financial support just as they supported Clinton twice and just as they supported Romney in this year's primaries) but on ordinary Americans, to restoring the jobs of those who fought our wars and who would work with their hands for a living, to preserving the rights of the Catholic Church to which I belong, and every other faith and church in this country to which other folks of good will and good faith belong, and which are consistent with Natural Law and Western Civilization, and to ruthlessly lancing every infectious pus pocket of special interest big shot corruption regardless of party identification, organize as conservatives have never organized before.
Such a 2016 candidate should have a demonstrated capability and track record for both good humor and also for actually fighting and verbally destroying the enemy within and without the GOP, to chase the corrupt money changers from the temple of our party, to diplomatically support similarly committed and principled candidates in Senate, House, and Governorship primaries to take the party back from the slimy degenerate liberals who would dominate it under Romney, to hold Romney relentlessly to conservative GOP principles for each and every moment that his lavishly special interest funded, despicable campaign of lies, slanders, and libels against each and every decent GOP opponent enabled him to have, NEVER to forget that campaign and NEVER to fail to hold it against Romney and his supporters.
Likewise, such a movement must seek to hold each and every "GOP" slimeball and Elitocrat in GOP drag in the Senate such as LAMAR!!! Alexander, Bob Corker, Lindsay Graham, Lisa Murkowski, Mark "Nancyboy" Kirk, Scott Brown, John Cornyn, John McCain, Thad Cochrane, Susan Collins, Richard Lugar, Saxby Chambliss, John Isakson, and any others like them including probably the modern day spineless Orrin Hatch, to actual conservative Republican standards and not to sell out their constituents' interests to satisfy Romneyism or to give in-house GOP aid and comfort to Romneyism in any way inconsistent with conservatism.
I urge you to vote your conscience. Either you have one worth respecting or you do not. To remind you....character is how you behave when no one is watching (as in the voting booth). Either you have it or you don't. You cannot depend on blaming others if you don't measure up. That lack of character is what we have in the White House now, and it is what we will have in the White House if Obozo is defeated by the Massachusetts Mushball and Serial Liar. I am not ready to sell my country down the river yet by voting for either of them. If you are willing to vote for the Mittwit and he succeeds in buying the White House and its power with his relentless well-funded lies, then prepare to face responsibility for his every crime, moral deviation, and moral abdication of responsibility while in office. Just remember not to dare blame actual conservatives or actual Republicans or actual Americans who have understandably refused to support either of them for the near certain evils of the next four years.
You don't need advice from me as to how you should vote any more than I need your advice on that subject. Just bear in mind that, if you vote for Romney and therefore for the destruction of the GOP and of the republic, as between thee and me, there is not and never will be a "we."
It does not matter that you voted for Newt Gingrich in the primaries, or for anyone else. Vote for Romney in the general election and you have defined yourself for the foreseeable future.
Anyone claiming to be a conservative who would sell out to Romney running as the Romney that conservatives well know him to be, need not be accused of a poverty of imagination and a poverty of commitment and, for that matter, of a poverty of principle, as each of those is patently obvious. No accusations are necessary. To vote for any old moneyed POS so long as he, she or it is a "Republican" POS invertebrate, is neither imaginative, nor evidence of commitment nor, to say the very least, evidence of conservative principle.
Understand that what elected Ronaldus Maximus was, in addition to his amiable and genial exterior and sense of humor and adherence to principle, a generation (my generation) of extremely angry but principled grass roots conservatives who despised the likes of Rockefeller, Ford, Nixon, Dole, Michel, Romney the Elder, Scranton, Ed Brooke, Jacob Javits, Charles Mathias, Robert Planned Barrenhood Packwood, Tom Kuchel, Lowell Weicker, and their ilk. We did not think much more of Bush the Elder.
No one thought we could defeat the GOP-E, much less elect a man derided as a second-rate B-movie actor to the White House. We did. I doubt that many of you were part of what was necessary to do that. It took backbone and character and a militant refusal to compromise with the evil that would use money to control the GOP and its policies. That's what we have done and what we can do and what we must do. Maybe Mittens can get you a nice job on Wall Street since money, in his mind, can buy just about anything and anyone and you don't drive a very hard bargain.
The potential candidate exists and did not run this year. That candidate does not qualify as a "White Knight," but rather as a Lady. Thatcher did a pretty good job in socialist England. Sarah would do a very good job here. Other backup candidates need to be developed and a new conservative movement needs to be recruited, trained in ideology and in ground warfare tactics, mobilized and networked and to wage an internal GOP civil war like the one in the 1960s and 1970s, and with a similar result.
Also, bear in mind, that the GOP Elite despised and abandoned Ronaldus Magnus through much of 1980 and he trailed in the polls until the Friday before the election, when the decisive shift among those who became known as Reagan Democrats and independent voters began to show in the polls, the lamestream media refused to report those polls from Saturday through election day, and Reagan administered his first definitive slaughter of national Demonrats including Carter and the Senatorial and Congressional Demonrats, carrying 44 states, including Taxachusetts and every state in New England not named Rhode Island, New York (coming close to carrying even New York City itself by massive support from Catholics and Orthodox Jews), New Jersey, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Iowa, Pennsylvania, California, and thirty more, losing only Georgia, Minnesota, Maryland, West Virginia, Rhode Island and Hawaii. In 1984, he beat Mondale in all but Minnesota where Reagan showed mercy by cancelling two full days of scheduled Minnesota campaigning on the Saturday and Sunday before election day.
Am I doing a "crap job" of selling you on this vision? Who was selling? Part of building the necessary movement is excluding those afflicted by tunnel vision. If a candidate wants your vote, that doesn't mean I am seeking your vote for such a candidate. Whether you realize it or not, "the dominant two-party system we have," is in effect, that the Demonrats and the Romneycans are simply two heads of the same evil beast. That leads to the inevitable conclusion that we are expected to choose between Obozo and Obozo Lite. I won't.
If Romney and his sycophants want conservative votes, he and they will have to do the selling. That is too demanding and doomed a job by far for any rational person. It is time for Governor Etch-a-Sketch to go back to being what we all know he is: anti-baby, anti-marriage, anti-gun, anti-worker, anti-American, etc., and the devoted love slave of moneyed leftist interests, and try to compete with Obozo for the votes of Obozo's base who are far closer to Romney than he is to conservatives and to the values and morals we actual conservatives hold dear.
Here is the difference in my mind.
Romney has a liberal record because he governed a liberal state and that’s what you gotta do in libville to get elected again.
Obama is a shyster community organizer to his very core.
I understand there is like 1° of separation between these clowns
Given the two I’ll take my chances on that 1° and I’ll knuckle down on it by putting every conservative in the Gov to remind him of his slim record.
"Act and talk"? Levin has had his principles scared right out of his mind. I don't care what Romney says --- it's his RECORD, Levin!
How on earth does a man as smart as Mark Levin pretzelize his thinking process so badly that he can ignore a candidate's governing record, while hanging on every stupid word of campaign propaganda he utters?
Gads!
Obama's a fool or worse, if he actually desires a revolt. He can't win that fight, once it's started. No one can.
Patriotic America is the biggest, most well armed army on the planet. It would be sheer suicide to provoke us into a true rebellion.
I will vote for the idiot that wins the Republican Party primary process. Voting for anyone else is the same as voting for Obama, and neither my conscience nor my principles will allow me to do that. Neither will my love of my country nor my love of freedom. Bottomline, this nation may not be able to survive another 4 years if Obama is allowed to destroy us from within for 4 more years. He has already done more harm to this country then I could have imagined would be possible. Call me an alarmist etc. etc. etc., but I think there is damn good reason to assess that the alarm is justified. Either way I am not willing to chance being wrong about my alarm.
One thing you are right about I guess, is there is no we. Damn shame that you would support Obama in his re-election bid. Damn shame too that the best the Repblican Party can offer is Mitt Romney, but my vote will go for Mitt Romney, not Barack Hussein Obama. But the biggest shame is that you are allowing, the media, and the elitists of the Republican Party to split conservatives. By splitting, I mean diverting us from the common goal of removing the usurper Obama. That should be the only goal of conservatives/patriots, who want to restore the Constitution and return this country to God worshipping humans once again.
Mitt is no prize, but the refusal to vote for McLame got us Obama. Don't make the same mistake twice, because Obama truly is the fox on the hen house.
Ummm, the same way you do perhaps? You complain about Romney’s record, while ignoring Obama’s truly disasterous record. Mark Levin is under no delusion about Mitt, but he recognizes the true danger of Obama. That’s why he will go along with Mitt.
Ummm, the same way you do perhaps? You complain about Romney’s record, while ignoring Obama’s truly disasterous record. Mark Levin is under no delusion about Mitt, but he recognizes the true danger of Obama. That’s why he will go along with Mitt.
Except of course if Obama is reelected you can fully expect to see a Chavez style take over of the rest of whatever we have. There will be no 2016 election.
Sinking the ship is not the way to get your point across
Stop making excuses for that degenerate liberal. Go and honestly read up on what he did while he was Governor of Massachusetts.
He was more than happy to work hand in hand with the liberals to forward their pinko Commie agenda. Read his comments during those days, and examine the famous photo of him signing RomneyCare into law. He's sitting there, grinning ear to ear, surrounded by the most evil Communists in US government of that time. They were his friends, and he delivered exactly what they wanted.
Where were his conservative 'friends', pray tell? There weren't any, because the man's an abject lying poser, that's why. He's even worse than a Democrat, because he fools good Republicans into supporting him. At least the Democrat spits in your face and tells you he's your enemy. Romney smiles at you while holding the knife behind his back - just waiting for you to trust him so he can stick it to you.
If the man had a shred of decency, or even if he was merely a Republican, he would have stood on his very best principles and governed Massachusetts in a responsible manner - no matter what the outcome of the next election would be.
Even after violating every known conservative principle, and giving the Massachusetts left everything they wanted and more, the slimeball left office with a 35% approval rating, and didn't even try to run for re-election because he had NO chance of winning.
So, what did selling out to the left get him? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Yet, he hasn't changed his stripes. He didn't learn a damn thing from that experience, and now he's asking the conservative right for their support in a national election. What utter, unmitigated gall!
I predict failure.
The GOP needs to go the way of the whigs.
I would like to see a strong conservative 3rd party candidate rise up and destroy the GLOP (GRAND LIBERAL OLD PARTY)
Given the two I’ll take my chances on that 1° and I’ll knuckle down on it by putting every conservative in the Gov to remind him of his slim record.
I'll go over the dynamics at work here again. A Republican Congress isn't going to stand up to, or thwart the agenda of a Republican president, no matter what his agenda is. They're going to go along to get along with 'their' guy.
A Republican dominated Congress will lock arms and OPPOSE a president who is clearly on the other side.
Think it through. Which of these presidents is going to stand a better chance of seeing their agenda enacted?
Yeah, “core principles”!! You know, the ones you rather hand over to obambam to flush right down the toilet in his 2nd WH Occupation than a moderate Republican?! Puleeeeaase!!!
Btw, what “core principles” has got you so riled up that you would participate in the murder of your own country to spite it? I’m just curios.
It's sad that you'll have to see the election and subsequent acts of a man to realize that his words and label mean nothing, and that it's his record that shows who he really is.
That record is nearly identical to Barack Obama's, and the fact that he'll have a compliant, Republican dominated Congress to roll over for him, will ensure that his predecessor's agenda rolls on without interruption.
In the end, a vote for Romney or Obama makes no difference, except to the future of the Republican party.
Who's ignoring Obama's disastrous record? Certainly not I. It's a foregone conclusion that Obama is the worst president this nation has ever seen. That's hardly worth discussing at this point.
No, what we're discussing, is the relative wisdom of electing a fraudulent Republican to the presidency who will likely carry on Obama's left-wing agenda, JUST like he did the last time he was elected to a position of power.
If our country has no other choice, and we're going to have a Socialist president no matter what, then I'd much prefer any further damage to the republic be done by the other side's Socialist, not ours.
There's also a very good chance that the Republicans will dominate Congress in the coming session. Given that there's little difference between the two Socialist contenders for the presidency, which one do you think the next Congress is more likely to oppose? The one wearing enemy colors, or the one who is ostensibly their own team captain?
Naturally, the answer is, they'll oppose the guy in the blue jersey. What's important here isn't who sits in the White House for the next four years, but what effects they'll create while doing so. The guy in the blue jersey will be hog tied and handcuffed, but no so with the guy in the red jersey.
If we're going to have a hard left liberal for our president, then I want him hog tied and handcuffed by a Republican dominated Congress, so that he can do the least amount of damage possible.
You don't think I already know that he's going to attempt such madness and treason? Of course, he will.
What a lot of my fellow Freepers are failing to realize, is that the time for 'business as usual' has passed. We've been sold out to the ruling class establishment, who are controlling both sides of the game. They've manipulated this primary in such a way, that we don't have a real choice. We're going to get one of their dupes for president, no matter how we vote.
When faced with such a choice, what do you do? Throw away your core principles and play along with the enslavers?
No. You tell them to kiss your butt, and raise the Gadsden flag. You FIGHT BACK in every way you can think of. You resist. You withdraw your support, and do everything in your power to put a monkey wrench in their works. Use your imagination. Pick whatever level of civil disobedience you can confront, and give it everything you've got. Almost nothing's off the table, where your very freedom and liberty are concerned.
That is the 'third door', and it's the one we must take, if we really want to save our beloved republic.
You're probably right on the money.
I remember bitching about how Romney never even tried to break bread with the Tea Party two years ago. I predicted then, that if he tried to run for president again (which even then, it looked like he would), that he'd have to hurry up and build a bridge to the Tea Party, because without us, he would have no chance of winning.
Well, the cowardly poser never had the nerve to even try it. He stayed far away from the Tea Party, and continued to cut deals with the establishment. Now here we are, and he expects us to vote for him because we've got nowhere else to go.
Screw that. I'll take my guidance from the Founding Fathers, thank you. I'd rather send that liberal traitor back to New England and ratchet the fight against tyranny up a few more notches.
I refuse to sit down and roll over for that quisling and his masters.
If you're referring to Mitt Romney, you might want to check his record before even calling him a Republican, let alone, a moderate.
Mitt Romney’s Dismal Record
"As U.S. real output grew 13 percent between 2002 and 2006, Massachusetts trailed at 9 percent.
* Manufacturing employment fell 7 percent nationwide those years, but sank 14 percent under Romney, placing Massachusetts 48th among the states.
* Between fall 2003 and autumn 2006, U.S. job growth averaged 5.4 percent, nearly three times Massachusetts' anemic 1.9 percent pace.
* While 8 million Americans over age 16 found work between 2002 and 2006, the number of employed Massachusetts residents actually declined by 8,500 during those years.
"Massachusetts was the only state to have failed to post any gain in its pool of employed residents," professors Sum and McLaughlin concluded.
In an April 2003 meeting with the Massachusetts congressional delegation in Washington, Romney failed to endorse President Bush's $726 billion tax-cut proposal."
[Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004.]
Romney's "accomplishments".
1. Implemented/created Gay Marriage in MA
2. Supported and forced Gay Adoption in MA
3. Supported Abortion wholeheartedly
4. Raised taxes/fees over 300% while being Governor of MA
5. Implemented a state-level Cap and Trade system.
6. Supported Man-Made Global Warming
7. Supported the Brady Bill
8. Implemented a state level “Assault” Weapons Ban after the Federal AWB was allowed to expire.
9. Supported TARP
10. Supported Amnesty for Illegal Aliens (Citizenship for those already here)
11. Supported McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty)
12. Implemented a socialized medicine in MA called RomneyCare complete with an Individual Mandate and $50 abortions.
13. Nominated 27 Democrats (out of 36 nominations) for judgeships in MA, many of them extreme left-wingers.
Btw, what “core principles” has got you so riled up that you would participate in the murder of your own country to spite it? I’m just curios.
I suggest you start at the original post and read the entire thread if you're still unclear on that question. The murder of my country is exactly what I'm hoping to prevent. As to core principles, mine are reflected in our Founding Documents. Too bad Mitt's (and Obama's) aren't.
The “ship sank” some time ago. The water just isn’t freezing...yet.
While I may not be able to pull the lever for Romnbey, I will no longer cut him down and undermine his chances. That would be like colluding with the real enemy and to me is not much different than treason. We fought the fight and lost, no sense in going “Jane Fonda” by giving succor to the Dims and other commies.
While there are some good comments in the thread, this one “Republicans will probably become the majority in both the House and Senate this year. They will lock
arms against an avowed enemy (Obama), but they will play nice with someone who they view as the
leader of their own party.” is not believable. Obama and Romney will have coattails and Obama’s people including white guilt voters will swing a few races his way. It is a pretty dangerous gamble to think there will be an opposition Congress against Obama.
Or Obama rides a recovery and his successor continues his targetted killing of citizens and various other policies.
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