NAZI MAINE: House gives final OK to smoking ban in bars PUKES ONE AND ALL!

boston.com ^ | 6/3/2003 | Glenn Adams

[Just another Joe]

I said that I didn't think you were lying.
You still haven't shown me the regulation.
According to Army Regulation 600-63, issued in 1996, from the moment a recruit enters boot camp, tobacco use is "controlled." not banned.
Like I said, if my CCs had said, "You will not smoke." we wouldn't have. Not because of any regulation.

[VRWC_minion]

All I can say is that its the rule now. Someone cam on this thread and told you so. I have found 3 references that have confirmed it to be so. In addition its clear that the military has a policy to reduce smoking in place.

So, if you desire to stay ignorant do so.

[VRWC_minion]

News Summaries


Armed Forces Get Tough on Smoking
1/3/2003



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For years, smoking has been part of military culture. However, all that is changing as the U.S. armed forces tighten restrictions on smoking, Stars and Stripes reported Dec. 31.

Last month, the U.S. Air Force tightened its smoking policies by joining a worldwide ban on smoking in all morale, welfare, and recreation facilities on military bases.

In addition, the Navy, Army and Air Force recently ordered their clubs and community centers to become smoke-free, with limited smoking areas.

Smoking policies for U.S. Army personnel call for "controlled" tobacco use. In addition, family members and retirees are urged to "engage in appropriate anti-tobacco activities." The 1996 regulation also calls for setting up a smoking area in the workplace that is not commonly used by nonsmokers.

Furthermore, the regulation requires Army healthcare providers to ask their patients about tobacco use as part of their routine physical and dental exams. Physicians are required to inform their patients about the risks of smoking and provide resources to help them quit.

U.S. Navy personnel come under a 1994 regulation that prohibits smoking at its 10-week boot camp and bans smoking from most spaces on ships and in buildings ashore.

Military officials view smoking as "a health issue" that affects readiness and military bearing. "Tobacco use adversely affects night vision, respiratory capacity, and wound healing rates, and contributes to risk of cold injuries, including frostbite. Statistically, smokers have higher accident rates than do nonsmokers," said a 1998 Secretary of the Navy memo. "Tobacco use harms readiness by impairing physical fitness and by increasing illness, absenteeism, premature death, and health-care costs."

According to a 2000 study, 34.9 percent of Navy personnel and 35 percent of Marine Corps personnel are smokers. The national average for the general public is 25 percent.

Recently, there has been speculation that the military could go completely smoke-free, but some military personnel are against a total smoking ban.

"It would be the military and the government going too far," said one senior enlisted soldier, who asked not to be named. "I understand not wanting to violate a nonsmoker's right to clean air, but I have rights, too."

Sgt. Mathew Hicks from the 88th Military Police sees a total ban as a positive measure. "I'd quit, at least it would give me an edge, and then I'd have a real reason," he said. "I have no reason right now."

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[SheLion]

Therefore your behavior has been changed or the cigarette would be lit.

I hope your good looking, because you sure don't have anything ELSE going for you!

[metesky]

How long ago do think WWII was ?

Well let me see, FDR was in the White House when I was born and I'm... is this a trick question, minnie?

Uncle Ralph, who was in Burma with the Mauraders and smoked like a top only made it to 87. E.O., another Uncle was a waist gunner over Ploesti, used to be a heavy smoker, he's 85.

Their lives were cut tragially short in the full prime by primary and second hand smoke.

Please, woman!

[Madame Dufarge]

You could, arguably, come up with some sort of probability factor for dying from suppressing a really large fart,...

And come up with VRWC_Minion and his buddies.

[Becki]

Since World War II, more airmen have been lost to smoking old age than combat.

There. ;^)

Becki

[Madame Dufarge]

S-h-h-h-h, don't tell him.

You know how sensitive he is.

[kevao]

Careful, minion will want a government ban on old age next.

[VRWC_minion]

Surviving Military Boot Camp

Part VI Coast Guard Basic Training
More of this Feature • Surviving Boot Camp Intro • Surviving Air Force Basic • Surviving Army Basic • Surviving Navy Basic • Surviving Marine Corps Basic  Join the Discussion Surviving Basic Training  Related Resources • What the Recruiter Never Told You • Basic Training "How To's" • Joining Up Resources • More Feature Articles Just like the Air Force and the Navy, the Coast Guard only has one location for enlisted boot camp: Cape May, New Jersey. Like the other services (with the exception of the Marines), male and female recruits train (not live) together. While the Coast Guard is not owned by the Department of Defense (in peacetime, it's run by the Department of Transportation), have no doubt -- Coast Guard boot camp is run just like any other military boot camp. Counting ther 1/2 week you spend in "forming" (inprocessing), you'll spend a total of 7 1/2 weeks at Cape May. Like the other services there are things you can do in advance that will help you get ready. First, your recruiter should give you a list of what you can and cannot bring with you. If it ain't on the list, don't take it. Don't even try to think that "this item," or "that thing" will be the exception. That list has been around for a lot of years, and there are no "exceptions." One of the first things you'll experience at Cape May is a complete search of your personal possessions. Anything not approved will be confiscated and stored until after graduation. Anything on the Contraband list will cause you to wish you'd chosen another career. Your recruiter will give you some additional items that you CAN bring, such as a watch, writing paper, pen, stamps, checkbook, etc. Do not bring an excessive amount of cash (Plan to arrive at with no more than $50 or so). Set up a bank account (with an ATM card) before you leave. All of your military pay will be made by direct deposit, and if you wait to arrive at Cape May to set up a bank account, I can almost guarantee you won't get it done in time, and your first paycheck will be delayed. Make sure you bring your bank account information with you. If you are married, bring a copy of your marriage certificate. This will be required to start up your housing allowance. Additionally, it will allow you to complete paperwork for your spouse's military ID card (the paperwork will be mailed to your spouse, along with directions on how to take it to the nearest military base in order to receive an ID card -- or, he/she can save the paperwork and get an ID card issued at your first permanent duty assignment). As with the other services, no smoking is allowed during boot camp. If you currently smoke, now would be a good time to stop. It's a lot easier to quit when you don't have the additional stresses of boot camp, then to wait until you are there. Before leaving, you'll want to make sure you do not stand out in your personal appearance. When you meet the Company Commander assigned to meet your bus, trust me -- you'll not want him/her to remember you for your long hair, earrings (male), handlebar mustache, or pants that are four sizes too big. Ladies, while you will not be required to cut your hair for Basic, you will be required to keep it off of your collar at all times when in uniform (which is most of the time in Basic), so you may wish to consider cutting your hair short enough so it doesn't have to be put up. If you're like my kids, and don't know your social security number by heart, memorize it. Your social security number becomes your "identification number" and you'll use it for almost everything (Privacy Act permitting). If you don't know how to swim, try to learn before you leave for boot camp. Soon after you arrive, you'll be screened for swimming skills, and those that can't swim will have to undergo special instruction (General Advice: when in boot camp, it's always better not to require "special instruction" in anything). Memorize Coast Guard ranks (both officer and enlisted), which are the same as Navy ranks, before you leave. This will be one of the first things you'll be required to study, and knowing it in advance will allow you to use that time to study other things (time is always in short supply in Basic). It won't hurt at all to study and practice the fundamentals of drill. As a minimum, you should practice the military salute in front of a mirror until you can do it right without thinking about it. You'll also want to know the Coast Guard Core Values, and your Basic Training chain of command. Finally, your recruiter should have told you to memorize the 11 General Orders for a Sentry. Before you leave home, tell your family that if an emergency arises (a real emergency, such as a death or serious illness in the immediate family) they should contact you through the Red Cross. Your family should know your full name, your social security number, and your company address. Within three days of arriving, you'll be sending a "preprinted" postcard home that has your company address on it. It's a good idea to call your family from the USO after you arrive. Any future phone calls you make while in boot camp will be at the discretion of your Company Commander. Your mailing address will be: SR ________________ Recruit Company ____________ (assigned upon arrival) Munro / Healy / James Hall (assigned upon arrival) 1 Munro Avenue Cape May, NJ 08204-5083 Above Photos Courtesy of United States Coast Guard

[honeygrl]

"I'm not lying. There is no smoking in boot camp. "

I read your link and it appears that the smoking ban in boot camp is a very recent change. I'm betting that 90% of the ones who went into boot camp as smokers will be smokers again the minute they are finished with boot camp.

[honeygrl]

"Minion bolsters his argument by telling me that since WWII more airmen have been lost to second-hand smoke than to combat, and when I ask him how many that is, he says it doesn't matter. Am I missing something here? "

He was quoting that from an af.mil news article which doesn't cite any background research for the statement at all. And it wasn't second hand smoke, it was smoking in general according to af.mil. I still don't buy that as a valid point that relates to any of this.

[Just another Joe]

U.S. Navy personnel come under a 1994 regulation that prohibits smoking at its 10-week boot camp and bans smoking from most spaces on ships and in buildings ashore.

Continue to search for more references if you wish. I've told you that I didn't think you were lying at least twice. At least this one gives me a time frame.

All I can say is, "I'm glad I'm not in the Navy anymore."

[VRWC_minion]

Items Confiscated at Boot Camp

The following is a list of items that are not authorized at Recruit Training Command and/or cannot be shipped via U.S. Mail. The following items will be confiscated and donated to a charitable organization:

large cans of shaving cream (11 ounces or larger)
food items
pump toothpaste
scented lotions or powders
all aerosol containers
after-shave, cologne
hair care products containing grease
shampoo, conditioners, scalp treatments (larger than eight ounces or containing grease)
lighter fluid
matches
non-Navy books and magazines
cards, dice, gambling paraphernalia
large and bulky stationery
Q-tips, handi-wipes, body powder
large plastic picks, rakes, etc., or any made of metal
anything in glass containers including mirrors
double-edge razor blades
cigarettes, cigars, pipes, tobacco, chewing tobacco
large deodorants (larger than three ounces)

[VRWC_minion]

USMC Boot Camp: How Marines Are Made
By Kelli Kirwan
The making of a Marine is an intense and often difficult process. Facing challenges and discipline, recruits achieve a level of fitness and knowledge that is nothing short of amazing. The road to earning the title "Marine" is demanding, fraught with emotional ups and downs. It can seem never-ending. But boot camp, the first stop on the journey to being a Marine, offers opportunity. Schools, units, and experience to develop further in their military career await these men and women.

Here's an outline of what to expect at basic training and a little advice to help you through it.

What to Take to Boot Camp
Take with you no more than $10, a calling card, your recruiter's business card, and copies of any legal documents pertaining to divorce or custody matters. If you have earned college credits, you may also want to bring copies of your transcripts. Many of the documents will have already been copied and provided by your recruiter, but it never hurts to have additional copies to avoid delays or confusion. Don't forget an address book and running shoes to complete your gear list. There is no need for clothes other than the ones you arrive in. Do take along stamina, endurance, and heart.

What Not to Take to Boot Camp
Do not take walk-mans, CDs, tobacco, knives, drug paraphernalia, or stationary. You will be provided letter-writing gear. Leave sluggishness and inattentiveness at home.

[honeygrl]

So now we don't just have the vast right wing conspiracy but we have also have an Anarchist Conspiracy... /sarcasm

[VRWC_minion]

UICC GLOBALink Presents...

The Tobacco Reference Guide
by David Moyer, MD.



Chapter 26 Tobacco and the military

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Tobacco and the military: Prevalence Data

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In a 1991 survey by David Moyer, M.D. of 9000 Marine Corps recruits, 52% were

tobacco users before service entry. All tobacco use is prohibited for three months

during recruit training, but 91% intended to restart the habit as soon as they graduated

from "boot camp."

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Former US Marine Corps Commandant (1985-1989) General P.X. Kelley is a

member of the board of directors of the US Tobacco Company, manufacturers of 80%

of the nation's smokeless tobacco. A third of male Marines under age 25 are daily

smokeless tobacco users, and the Marine Corps has the highest use of any of the

military services. Both General Kelley and his successor, General Al Gray, were

public smokeless tobacco users.

Common Cause magazine, Summer 1993

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In a 1995 survey by Jon Bayer, M.D. of 15,000 Navy recruits at Great Lakes, Illinois,

36% identified themselves as smokers prior to Navy enlistment (36.5% of males, and

30.5% of females). The average age of smoking initiation was 15.2 years, although

34% of male smokers began before age 10. The rate for Caucasians was 43.5%,

and was 27.6% for non-Caucasians.

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In 1992 survey aboard the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln, 45% of the crew used tobacco.

In a 1995 survey of the carrier USS Carl Vinson, 44% of the crew were current

tobacco users.

Oakland Naval Hospital Red Rover, August 1993 and Lamont Berg, M.D.

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[Just another Joe]

Keep posting from the same page. Repetition bolsters any argument that can't stand of it's own accord, doesn't it. Straight from the anti handbook.

[Just another Joe]

What this one has to do with anything we have discussed is beyond me.
So you're losing it, huh?

[VRWC_minion]

I'm betting that 90% of the ones who went into boot camp as smokers will be smokers again the minute they are finished with boot camp

I think the percentage is more like 110%.