Posted on 06/04/2003 5:03:23 AM PDT by SheLion
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:10:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) Public health interests prevailed over warnings that personal freedoms are being eroded as the Maine House gave its final approval to a bill to ban smoking in bars and taverns.
Representatives' 95-47 enactment vote sent the measure to the Senate and put Maine a step closer to joining California and Delaware in imposing statewide bans on smoking in bars. New York's ban starts in July, and Connecticut's newly enacted ban on smoking in bars takes effect next April.
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2/3 of the representatives in Maine are anachrists ? Totally laughable. Since when did anarchists begin running for office ?
Then it happened sometime between '80 and '89.
I went through in '80 and it was allowed during normal break times.
It doesn't matter. The argument is lost based on yoru current talking points. Banning smoking in bot camp is obviously the first step toward a full ban. You folks need a new set of points your current set is failing miserably.
The preceeding was a recording made by VRWC_minion to be played as a counter to any argument for personal property rights.
All rights reserved to VRWC_minion, INC.
They probably invested a little money in a decent air filter system. You can get a really good system for under $500 that will do a good job on a 25'x25' space. Denny's is probably a bit bigger than that, so they would need more filters, but I generally find the smaller 'mom & pop' operations put more effort into nice things like this, as they need to differentiate themselves fomr the big chains to survive.
I hate smoke - it really does a number on my allergies. But as long as I could get a table in the non-smoking section, and the section was actually separate from the smoking section, I rarely had any inconvenience at all.
Now, here in Tucson, they have a smoking ban in restaurants, and I think there are efforts to extend this to the county and the whole state. Its been in place a few years, and the local eateries have mostly recovered any lost business and maybe even expanded business in some cases. But with the local growth, I think they would have seen business expansion anyway.
In the end, it really is somebody saying they know what's better for you, and imposing their will. In this case, I am not personally inconvenienced (I suppose I am actually convenienced), but I don't know that makes it any more right.
I have provided you two links. Why are you so surprised ?
All I can say is I was in the Marine recruit office two weeks ago and my son's recruiter (who smoked outdoors BTW,) told him he would not be allowed to smoke and I read their material regarding boot camp and they were told they would not be smoking and the rules ban sending smoking materials.
Not to minion.
He hates the smell of tobacco smoke more than he loves freedom.
And what points would you recommend? Support of private property rights and opposition to the nanny state works for me.
I'm not lying. There is no smoking in boot camp.
Part IV Navy Basic Training | ||||||||||||||||||
Like the Air Force, the Navy only has one location for boot camp: The Great Lakes Naval Training Center, which is located on the western shore of Lake Michigan, halfway between Chicago and Milwaulkee. Unlike Air Force Basic Training, much of Navy Boot Camp is conducted indoors. Yep -- there's indoor marching and drill, the confidence course is indoors, and even weapons (Shotgun and pistol) are fired indoors. (This makes a lot of sense if you think about it -- much of Navy life and duty is spent inside a ship or submarine). The Recruit Training Command processes more than 54,000 recruits through Navy Boot Camp, per year.
As with Army and Air Force Basic Training, there are several things you should do in advance to prepare yourself for Navy Boot Camp. First and foremost is to get into some semblance of physical shape. I recommend you read and follow the U.S. Navy Personal Training Plan Booklet several weeks before you depart. You should also practice the rudiments of drill and ceremony, as well as memorize Navy rank and ratings. Additionally, your recruiter should have told you to memorize the 11 General Orders for a Sentry, and the Navy Chain of Command, as it relates to a Naval Recruit. As if that's not enough to study in advance, you should also learn the Navy Core Values. Navy Boot Camp is probably one of the most "classroom-intensive" of the four primary military services (including written tests!), so the more you can get out of the way in advance, the less you will be struggling with when the stress really hits the fan. Also, as with the Army and Air Force, your recruiter will give you a list of what you should or should not bring with you to boot camp. Unlike the Army and Air Force, the Navy won't store your excess civilian clothing until the end of boot camp. After your first uniform issue, you'll be given a choice of sending your civilian clothing home (at your expense) or donating them to charity. Therefore, as far as civilian clothing is concerned, you should pack very, very light. Again, as with the Army and Air Force Basic Training, if it ain't on the list, don't bring it. If its on the "Do Not Bring" list, then definitely don't bring it.
If you're a tobacco user, give it up. As with the other services, smoking, or the use of tobacco products is not allowed in boot camp. In fact, the Navy probably has the most restrictive tobacco policy in this sense. Smoking, or use of tobacco products is not allowed by anyone, either inside, outside, or within vehicles, on the Recruit Training Command Base (this includes visitors who may come to see you graduate). If you don't know how to swim, try to learn before you leave for boot camp. Soon after you arrive, you'll be screened for swimming skills, and those that can't swim will have to undergo special instruction in the Kiddy Pool (General Advice: when in boot camp, it's always better not to require "special instruction" in anything). Actually, remedial swimming instruction is not that bad. Each cycle, several recruits show up at boot camp who can't swim, so this portion of the training is kind of "just another course," in many aspects. However, I have heard cases of phone priviledges being denied until week #6 for folks who failed the swim qualification test. All military pay is done by "direct deposit." This means, in order to get paid, you must have a checking or savings account established at a financial institution. It's a *very* good idea to have an account with an ATM Card or Debit Card, so that you can access your money without writing a check. If you establish an account before you depart to Great Lakes, make sure you bring a deposit slip with you, so you can give the information (bank name, routing code, and account number) to the finance folks when you inprocess. If you don't have a bank account established before you depart, don't worry. You'll have an opportunity to open an account (you need to deposit $5.00 to open an account) at the Navy Federal Credit Union (NFCU) at Great Lakes. They have all the forms pre-filled out, and all you have to do is open the account, then give the form to the finance folks during inprocessing. You can also open an account with Armed Forces bank, but not both. |
You provided me with one link that says you're not supposed to send tobacco products and one link that is observations.
If my CCs wouldn't have wanted us to smoke we would not have been allowed to smoke. Not because there was any regulation but because the CCs said we couldn't.
You haven't given me a link to the regulation.
Surprised? Not really.
Aha! This points out the problem. One of the problems. First, we don't see what is before our eyes. It's not necessary for everyone to be in on the deal. There would naturally be many to whom this slight alteration in the law seems very reasonable. Most of the 2/3 are in this camp. Even the one or two who introduced this modification to the law may be nothing more than unwitting carriers. That old saw about capitalists selling the rope used to hang them. But it's not just about capitalists versus whatever ideal system is supposed to replace capitalism. It is about most people not knowing or not caring about how their world is changing or whether it is changing too fast.
No, the 2/3 are not anarchists, but they do the work of the anarchists.
No but smokers are certainly giving them an issue to use.
I'm not saying you're incorrect, or lieing, I'm just saying that you haven't been able to back up your assertations. On this as well as other things.
All you can say is, paraphrasing, "It's happening, it's going to continue happening, and it's because smokers are addicted and stink." but you can give no justification for it that even comes up to your own standards.
First they need a total makeover. I have suggested that their is little anger being directed at pipe and cigar smokers. If smokers could change their image they might have a fighting chance.
WHAT ISSUE?
The only issue that you have with this is you think tobacco smoke stinks.
What issue are smokers giving the UN to act on?
Its not my argument. I sourced that material to prove that there was ban in boot camp.
Whether its true or not really doesn't matter because everyone buys into it. You folks need a new script.
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