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Kentuckian Blows Smoke in Face of Bloomberg Tax
The New York Times ^ | 24 November 2002 | DENNY LEE

Posted on 11/24/2002 9:20:48 AM PST by SheLion

Douglas Smith, a chain-smoking mail-order entrepreneur from the coal mining town of Ashland, Ky., wants to share his bad habit. The idea struck last winter, when word of Mayor Bloomberg's proposed cigarette tax increase made the local news.

"I don't know why it aggravated me so much," said Mr. Smith, who smokes three cartons a week. "I'm not even from New York and it makes me angry. It really drives me nuts."

After a few cigarettes, a light bulb went on. "There's an opportunity for people to go in there and make literally millions of dollars," said Mr. Smith, a former landfill operator. With the tax in place, New Yorkers now pay about $7 a pack.

Two months ago, Mr. Smith and a neighbor started El Diablo's Tobacco Shack to sell cheaper cigarettes to New Yorkers. Kentucky has the second-lowest cigarette tax in the country, at 3 cents a pack. Virginia, at 2.5 cents, is the lowest, while New York City is the highest with a combined state and city tax of $3.

Interstate tobacco retailers have grown in recent years. Federal law requires mail-order cigarette customers to pay tax in their own states, but the law is rarely enforced.

El Diablo's is probably alone among the interstate tobacco retailers in marketing only to New York City. Working with a direct-mail company, El Diablo's has started to blanket the city with red-and-white fliers, asking "fellow New Yorkers" if they are tired of paying high prices for cigarettes. Of the 250,000 pieces mailed so far, 10,000 have replied yes, Mr. Smith said.

Newport menthols, traditionally marketed to blacks and Latinos, are the most popular. People in the South Bronx and eastern Brooklyn have been big buyers.

"We just figured that's where the working-class people are," Mr. Smith said. "Most of your smokers are people who can't afford the extra taxes." To that end, El Diablo's accepts payments not only by credit card, but also by personal check and even c.o.d. These easy-payment options don't sit well with some observers.

"I've never heard of this before," said Eric Lindblom, a policy analyst for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, a Washington advocacy group. "It's preying on poor people." Like Mayor Bloomberg, Mr. Lindblom voices hope that the higher taxes will be an incentive for people to quit.

Mr. Smith sees it differently. "Our plan is to make sure everybody has access," he said. "People have the right to smoke. I'm waiting for Bloomberg to quit drinking, so he'll start calling for prohibition."


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; michaeldobbs; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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To: SheLion
"But what are we to do?"

Attack the bottom line. Take away their money. Here in California, the state used to get hundreds of dollars per year in tobacco taxes from yours truly. But then they got greedy and wanted $2,000 per year from me. That's why they now get nothing from me. Instead, it all goes to tobacco dealers in Bush country.

Actually, I cost them more than the $2,000 since (1) they will also collect less in business revenue from California cigarette retailers and 2) I induce other California smokers to send their tobacco dollars out of state also.

41 posted on 11/24/2002 10:39:34 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
good for you

SMOKE CHEAP
IT'S YOUR CIVIC DUTY

42 posted on 11/24/2002 10:45:00 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Bonaparte
Actually, I cost them more than the $2,000 since (1) they will also collect less in business revenue from California cigarette retailers and 2) I induce other California smokers to send their tobacco dollars out of state also.

EXCELLENT!!!!

43 posted on 11/24/2002 10:50:54 AM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
New York City, the most diverse city in the U.S. Go figure that they would elect a Mayor that wants to start chipping away All Things New York

The law of diminishing returns is not in the liberals vocabulary.
44 posted on 11/24/2002 10:51:36 AM PST by woodyinscc
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To: SheLion
I am sorry that the article makes no mention how Mr. Smith (LOL) actually makes this work.
How much does he sell for?
How does he get the cigarettes to NY?

And how does he avoid demands for customers' lists?

45 posted on 11/24/2002 10:52:00 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: SheLion
You my dear! He's trying to fool you. Much to his consternation however, you are to smart to fall for it. I guess he will have to figure out another way to explain the loss in tax revenue when the number of smokers does not go down.

Bwahahahahaha!

46 posted on 11/24/2002 10:52:46 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: Gabz
Thankyou!

Oh, and one other thing -- the state of California estimates that it has lost 300 million dollars per year in tobacco revenues since the tax hikes started in 1998. That means they admit to losing 1.2 billion dollars worth of cigarette taxes over the past 4 years. It's probably significantly higher than this, especially when associated losses are factored in. All they've succeeded in doing is to drive business out of state. LOLOL!

47 posted on 11/24/2002 10:53:54 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: SheLion
We are trying very hard to let people know who choose to smoke, that there is a better alternative then feeding the cash cow of their local Governments.

Careful what you wish for

There is nothing to prevent the same leeches from taxing tobacco supplies by any amount they choose.

If they can tax a selected group of citizens with impunity, what's to prevent them from taxing tobacco supplies and "roll your own" machines?

48 posted on 11/24/2002 10:56:30 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: SheLion
AMEN to that! I survived grand parents, parents and significant others with no ill effects!
49 posted on 11/24/2002 10:58:19 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: SheLion
Newport menthols, traditionally marketed to blacks and Latinos, are the most popular. People in the South Bronx and eastern Brooklyn have been big buyers.

The next thing you know, they'll be saying that Newports go great with watermelon; how does the liberal press get away with this blatant stereotyping?

50 posted on 11/24/2002 10:58:58 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: Bonaparte
You've got to love the circle logic of the money grubbers, oops I mean government!!!!!

the state of California estimates that it has lost 300 million dollars per year in tobacco revenues since the tax hikes started in 1998.

How can you lose something you never had???

I would think they would be jumping for joy that there has been a $1.2 billion drop in cigarette tax collections - wasn't part of the increase meant as a means to discourage smoking??? If there has been that much of a decrease in tax collections they are apparently achieving their goal.

And if anyone believes that I've got a bridge to sell them!!!!!!

51 posted on 11/24/2002 10:59:39 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz
Well, it's not good news no matter what.
The 1.2 billion is not as significant as the additional taxes they did collect...
Several times the amount previously collected, so that the scumbags are way ahead in any case.
52 posted on 11/24/2002 11:02:29 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: SheLion
I find it ironic that liberals supported Indians running casinos to get around gambling laws but they are appalled at Indians selling cigarettes to get around tobacco taxes. Can they put the genie back in the bottle?
53 posted on 11/24/2002 11:04:24 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Publius6961
No secret there!!!!!1
54 posted on 11/24/2002 11:13:55 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Just another Joe
Not only do you have the support of smokers, you have the support of freedom loving people who don't happen to be smokers.
55 posted on 11/24/2002 11:17:13 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: SheLion
I too am at a loss. have been since about 1990. Voting libertarian, I like the basic approach to role of government and personal freedom, but it's just more or less a rebellious vote. Don't trust repubs or dems to do much right on the tax issues. Need to throw out the baby and the bathwater and start over. I'll meet you at the docks tonight to throw the tea into the harbor. Shall we say 11 pm?
56 posted on 11/24/2002 11:28:43 AM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
I'll meet you at the docks tonight to throw the tea into the harbor. Shall we say 11 pm?

I'll be there!!!!!!

57 posted on 11/24/2002 11:38:21 AM PST by Gabz
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To: SheLion
It's preying on poor people.

Somebody tell this guy to get a clue! Like taxes and state lotteries aren't preying on the poor?

58 posted on 11/24/2002 11:47:02 AM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: Publius6961
And how does he avoid demands for customers' lists?

I guess he and a neighbor have an internet business? I'm not sure. But they dropped thousands of red and white phamplets in New York City advertising about their new cigarette shop they opened up......

59 posted on 11/24/2002 11:51:45 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Sunshine Sister
I guess he will have to figure out another way to explain the loss in tax revenue when the number of smokers does not go down.

I knew the minute 'they' weren't realizing the tax revenue from cigarettes that they would claim "Oh! They must be quitting!" WRONG! hehe

60 posted on 11/24/2002 11:53:59 AM PST by SheLion
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