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Bush to push for amnesty
Washington Times ^ | Saturday, November 23, 2002 | By Jerry Seper

Posted on 11/22/2002 10:47:08 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:59:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: patriciaruth
We have a deal, a very Happy Thanksgiving to you also patriciaruth.
501 posted on 11/25/2002 7:44:11 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: AmericaUnderAttack
I've been doing a lot of thinking about the illegal aliens and the politicians whining about not having enough money, continually wanting to raise our taxes as a solution to the budget problems.

This just might be a solution. See if you like it.

Educate a couple of hundred young energetic people to an idea like this one. Youngsters who feel American Patriotism is a finer character asset than national Diversity is. Yes, us patriots do obey the laws.

Then these young people would need to go face to face with the residents of your small populated rural county and explaining how it would work and benefit them, their kids, and their grandkids. Have a website that would explain just why this is being done. Explain the costs to each individual community because of the illegal alien residency and immigration.

It is obvious that INS and the State Dept are corrupt. Attempting to correct the corruption is the wrong way to fix the problem. Rounding up the illegals and removing them will fix the problem!!!

Get your local population educated to the idea of electing a Sheriff who will go face to face with the Federal government. He is going to need legal advice on how to do all of this. Ideally you would want local attorneys or judges to provide this advice. Hey, before you run off...the local attorneys and judges have kids and grandkids too.

Sheriffs are the top LEO in each County. They have the authority to demand that the Feds call ahead and ask to come into your County to enforce Federal laws. Check your State Constitution if you don't believe me.

Now getting the Sheriff and County officials to go along with it, is of course another subject. Just maybe you might be able to find someone who thinks as I do, that illegal aliens are parasites in America, and they would also spread the idea amongst the citizens of your County. Then the citizens could write a petition to force the Council and Sheriff to follow their instructions.

If you have a Sheriff and local County officials of a lesser populated County with a budget deficit and the abnormal high taxes who will declare that all illegal aliens from every nation will be arrested and removed from the County in 30, 60 or 90 days the program is on it's way.

All assets not removed from the County must be assigned by the illegal alien to be sold with registered agents or they will be seized by the Sheriff and sold. These funds will be divided between the Sheriffs Office and the County budget offices for expenses.

All people employing illegal aliens will also be arrested and fined. Perhaps $5000 per employee. This would prompt employers to demand that their employees bring in birth certificates, etc. I think there is a federal law forbidding this, I'm not sure. But so what? If they won't protect America then we must do it. This also keeps the government out of our personal records any more than necessary.

The hiring of non citizens that have entered the US legally with the legal assistance of Immigration and Naturalization Services will of course be encouraged. Only the hiring of illegal aliens will be reason for arrest and stiff fines. It is already against the law to hire an illegal alien. These people have already broken too many of our laws for us to continue to turn our heads.

Perhaps ads could be placed in the newspapers of the surrounding counties to obtain legal workers for the farm, ranch, gas station and local K-Mart to replace the ones who are leaving. A local 800 number could be updated daily with jobs available in your County.

All people giving aid or care to illegal aliens would also be arrested and fined. This would include all illegal aliens who are family members of legal aliens. I would imagine this would gather up quite a few people who have overstayed their visitors pass.

This will result in no or very few illegal aliens going to the local hospitals for medical attention. The hospital will start making money again instead of heading into bankruptcy. Just imagine what the result would be if prices dropped!

This will also bring welfare for illegal aliens to a screeching halt. This alone will do much for your local budget, maintaining or even drop taxes.

School districts would require much less money because the new residents in the county would certainly be more able to speak English. I think schools already check for birth certificates and medical history. (This maybe a good place for the sheriff to start.)

Imagine what that would do to surrounding Counties with similar budget deficits. Would the residents agree to more taxes or would they say get the lawbreakers out of here? Do you think it might convince the State officials when enough Counties have adopted these measures that we citizens are serious in our desire to protect our communities from being over run by illegal aliens? Would this prompt them to follow our guidance and issue state laws that demand law enforcement agencies to enforce ALL the laws or their budgets get cut?

I think half a dozen community residents that are involved in the legal system and the business community could work out what to do to make an idea similar to this work in your community.

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For the legal minded folks I have included a statement from one of the cases that made it through the Supreme Court. Unless there are State laws forbidding such actions as I have suggested, I think everything legally is above the table. A local judge could give the Sheriff advice on how to handle the little tweak of the laws.

The federal Gov't may neither issue directives requiring the States to address particular problems, nor command State' officers, or those of their political subdivisions, to administer or enforce a federal regulatory program. It matters not whether policy making is involved, and no case by case weighing of the burdens or benefits is necessary; such commands are fundamentally incompatible with our constitutional system of dual sovereignty.

Justice Antonin Scalia, Mack vs US., June 27, 1997

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The way I see it is that given the opportunity and enough notice to move their families safely, the illegal aliens would pack up and leave rather than fight a Sheriff who is broadcasting that just because the Feds aren't going to enforce the immigration laws doesn't mean he isn't.

Employers would rather make a company policy that all employees must prove that they are American citizens or in the United States legally than be fined $5000 per employee for supporting open border policy.

Give employers a chance to advertise for critical employees who are currently illegal aliens so their businesses don't suffer a drastic skill shortage.

Just as an add on, I imagine that the local crime rates would be continually dropping until it again reached an acceptable level.

Surrounding rural counties would surely catch on quickly to the benefits and start similar programs. All it would take is one newspaper article about their city council needing money for some more public services. There is much more rural county land in the US than cities in county land, that's why I am promoting a rural county to start with.

The residents are more apt to be on a handshake basis with their elected official than residents of large cities are. I think that it wouldn't take too long before cities would simply not be able to afford to support all the illegals who are on taxpayer paid benefits. Consequently, like it or not they would have to fall in line.

I have no idea how fast an idea such as this would spread and actually take firm hold causing neighboring state legislators to look at the idea BEFORE their state was swamped with illegal aliens and the taxpayers rose up demanding immediate solutions. The crime rate amongst illegals is very high as it is. A plan such a this could send it through the ceiling, so caution would be advised on initiating it in a city. Vandalism and riots would probably occur in some areas, so the Governor would need to be ready with the State National Guard Units.

This could be dangerous because it could foster hate and anger. Too much anger would result in radicals bringing out their guns chasing the illegals out of their neighborhoods. We have seen gang wars and the resulting violence, this could be worse. So, it will have to be a slow, calm, well organized plan in each county! Our intention is to bring the population of our neighborhoods into patriotic, law abiding folks not to be ravaged by foreigners who have nowhere to go. Eventually, I can see where states would have to cough up the funds and or transportation for the people to get back to Norway, Brazil, Australia, Japan and China.

If we continue to allow to let the Feds handle it, they will continue to fiddle fart around like they been doing and the problem will never be solved. So, the way I see this, the STATES are going to have to stand up after too many years on our knees to the self promoting, egotistical big shots in the Federal Legislature and the Federal Agencies. We need to show them that we'll fix the problem ourselves. Imagine if our citizens brought a halt to Agenda 21, that would set the United Nations on its rear end!!

The first States to do this emigration plan will encounter the least expenses. Of course I would expect it to happen, if it ever does, in Western States.

Notice the direction of travel in this definition.

emigration

\Em`i*gra"tion\, n. [L. emigratio: cf. F. ['e]migration.] 1. The act of emigrating; removal from one country or state to another, for the purpose of residence, as from Europe to America, or, in America, from the Atlantic States to the Western.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=emigration&db=*

Lets change the worlds idea of where to emigrate from and to! We have given education and work experience to millions of illegal aliens. Now lets give them a chance to see if they can do it for themselves back home!!!

If you think this might work, phone some local friends to see what they think of it.

Why not email other friends with this idea and see if we can't get it started. Of course there will surely need to be modifications to initialize it and perhaps different ideas to promote it. Each County is slightly different and we don't want extreme radicals promoting it or else it will surely sink into oblivion.

Here's another piece to look at. http://www.fairus.org/html/04176912.htm

503 posted on 11/25/2002 8:18:47 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Merdoug
I live in Nashville, TN. In the past ten years it has become Mexico. Even billboard signs are in Spanish now.

I hear you. Same thing is happening down here in Atlanta.

504 posted on 11/25/2002 8:24:26 PM PST by SwordofTruth
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To: nanny
I am not sure we have that much time -

The suicidal aspect of our Constitution is that it generally takes forever to get anything done.

I will never forgive the Democrats for their obstructing so many vital things necessary for our survival. The entrenched bureaucracy in Washington, D.C., is probably filled with obstructionists and lazy parasites.

I don't know if it is true, but in the Hansen story about the FBI man who sold national security secrets to the Soviets, he remarked on how the agents all complained about having to do surveilance duty on the Soviets on Sunday, and that the Bureau eventually debanded the detail to trail suspect Soviet agents on Sunday because there was so much griping about having to protect the country seven days a week, not just six.

Naturally, Sunday was the day the Soviet agents all chose to do their dirty deeds.

505 posted on 11/25/2002 9:59:02 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
bttt
506 posted on 11/26/2002 6:05:00 AM PST by GrandMoM
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To: patriciaruth
"More and more we are going to be seeing articles with a thrust of dividing President Bush from his base of support as the Dems are going to be increasingly desperate.

I'm not going to let these people jerk my chain all the time. I'm going to wait until the President actually does something, and judge him on the act, not the rumor, because there are going to be plenty of rumors."

I AGREE!

How's this for a scenario...

We close the borders ...stoping the leak, so to speak, and in the meantime, we're appeasing Pres Fox (who can be QUITE a handful when he chooses to obsess about something!) and then, if the situation arises that we have no oil, because of the war in Iraq, etc., we negotiate a deal for access to all of Mexico's resources, if we work something out with the ILLEGALS (I'm not afraid to call them that). America wins, Fox wins, Bush receives more of the Hispanic vote, AND we have a way to stop the flood of illegals coming here from Mexico.

Okay, THEN, we're talking just about 2004 election time. We elect a Republican Governor and legislature in CA, and Bush pours some Fed $ into CA to take care of educating these people and they all become good tax paying citizens, who aren't afraid to work.

It's not so bizarre to think it COULD work!

We have a smart President. He and those decision makers that surround him are also smart, and really DO have our best interests at heart...let's let this whole thing play out, as PR stated above, and then we'll have something REAL to talk about.

IMHO....NordP

507 posted on 11/26/2002 8:11:47 AM PST by NordP
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To: watcher1
Doubleplusgood!
I'll be seeing you at the Chestnut Tree Cafe'

You know, I was very amused by what you wrote at the time. In fact so much so that I have taken to using it when I correspond with various dissidents I know. The more I think about it the more I like it. Maybe when I make my move to a Free State I will open up a cafe and call it the Chestnut Tree. Just thought that I'ld drop you a line and to express my appreciation for the mirth.

cordially,

508 posted on 12/05/2002 7:36:32 AM PST by u-89
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To: B4Ranch; RLK; Askel5; Mortimer Snavely; philman_36
Slouching Toward Servitude
President Urges More Foreign Aid

"MONTERREY, Mexico: President Bush yesterday said Americans are duty-bound to 'share our wealth' with poor nations and promised a 50 percent increase in foreign aid, but 'We should give more of our aid in the form of grants, rather than loans that can never be repaid,' he said. 'We should invest in better health and build on our efforts to fight AIDS, which threatens to undermine whole societies.'

"In addition to the moral, economic and strategic imperatives of increasing foreign aid, Mr. Bush said, it could also help in the war against terrorism.

"'We will challenge the poverty and hopelessness and lack of education and failed governments that too often allow conditions that terrorists can seize and try to turn to their advantage"


Socialism: the forbidden ideology
"Slaves to Society

Socialism is a condition where everybody owns everybody else, but nobody owns themselves. It’s also a condition where everyone is at the mercy of everybody else’s resentment, pettiness, and sadism. Socialist societies are not voluntary societies. They are institutionalized imposed social servitude. The individual who is living in a socialist society is not allowed to choose whether or not he will be directed by the socialist cause. He is forced into involuntary servitude to the group—and chained to group excesses or pathology.

There are several conceptions of human freedom. Freedom may mean the right of people to choose their form of government and their representatives to that government—called democracy. This is freedom for the group. But group freedom, democracy, is separate from individual freedom. The greater social group can be dangerous and impose repression upon individual freedom for the purpose of its own benefit, amusement, or folly. Democracy can be highly repressive of individual human freedom. Slavery in this country was democratically validated by popular vote and representation for many years. If local or national majorities so choose, they can democratically impose slavery or any other folly upon themselves or others at whim.

Democracy is not freedom. It is only one necessary prerequisite to individual freedom, but it is not individual freedom. It is necessary, but not sufficient. Democracy can be misused. Democracy without respect for others, without principle, without rationality, can be as repressive a condition as is imaginable. When the group votes to force the individual into group servitude, democracy becomes slavery or tyranny. When the group votes to bind the individual to group irrationality, democracy becomes insanity. When the group votes to bind the individual to group resentment, pettiness, or vindictiveness, democracy is evil.

Democracy can have the validity of the latest dance fad or clothing fashion. The instability of political polls from week to week is ample demonstration. The winners of presidential elections might be different, and in some instances would have been different, if held a week or two sooner or later, reflecting momentary public whim. In political candidate management, there is talk about candidate popularity peaking too soon, or too late, or too whatever. What difference should it make? It’s the same candidate. The difference is that public mood and public desire for novelty are unstable even in the most serious of situations. Public judgment is like a school of fish that can change wildly in direction at any second without regard for content or consequences. For this reason, democracy has no intrinsic validity.

Socialism as Democracy in Action

Socialism can be argued as democracy in action. It is not freedom in action.

The manifesto of, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", can very easily mean: "From those who have worked to build, to those who have decided to take." It can also mean from each according to their defenselessness, to each according to their resentment of others.

Forced redistribution of income to meet so-called social need is nothing but self-indulgent parasitic greed when the reason underwriting that need is indifference to serious long-term self-application and indifference to serious personal responsibility. Social need or social problems are not social need or social problems until the people experiencing that need have employed serious attempts to apply themselves, have changed personal behavior which created their circumstances, and have shown serious responsibility. But, in recent years, the demands for entitlement to the efforts of other community members to meet so-called social "needs" have been also accompanied by decreasing timidity in demanding a more than equal entitlement, along with a lack of self-examination by those making the demands.

Declaration of social responsibility and sincere genuine effort toward rehabilitation or improvement should begin not with demands upon others, but with intent of serious personal changes by the person asking for an improvement in his or her lot. Social responsibility begins with individual moral responsibility and willingness to make those changes.

The first response to a demand by an individual for a social system to alleviate personal conditions should be to respond by asking what personal behavior the individual is engaging in that produces those conditions. The demand for an answer to the latter question has been notably absent from the national scene beginning with the Kennedy presidency."



Text of President-elect Bush's victory speech
"Two hundred years ago, in the election of 1800, America faced another close presidential election. A tie in the Electoral College (news - web sites) put the outcome into the hands of Congress.

After six days of voting, and 36 ballots, the House of Representatives elected Thomas Jefferson the third president of the United States. That election brought the first transfer of power from one party to another in our new democracy."

"There can be no more important mission today than to connect young people with veterans who can pass on the qualities that have made their lives full and our democracy strong,"
George W. Bush - Source: AP article in NY Times July 13, 2000.

"My campaign finance reform proposal would increase citizen participation, return honor to our system, and restore confidence in our democracy."
George W. Bush - February 15, 2000.

"The last 19 days have been extraordinary ones. As our nation watched, we were all reminded on a daily basis of the importance of each and every vote. We were reminded of the strength of our democracy, that while our system is not always perfect, it is fundamentally strong and far better than any other alternative."
George W. Bush - Source

"The public education system in America is one of the most important foundations of our democracy. After all, it is where children from all over America learn to be responsible citizens, and learn to have the skills necessary to take advantage of our fantastic opportunistic society."
George W. Bush - May 1, 2002.


Republics and Democracies

"By the time of the American Revolution and Constitution, the meanings of the wordsrepublic” and “democracy” had been well established and were readily understood. And most of this accepted meaning derived from the Roman and Greek experiences. The two words are not, as most of today’s Liberals would have you believe -- and as most of them probably believe themselves -- parallels in etymology, or history, or meaning. The word Democracy (in a political rather than a social sense, of course) had always referred to a type of government, as distinguished from monarchy, or autocracy, or oligarchy, or principate. The word Republic, before 1789, had designated the quality and nature of a government, rather than its structure. When Tacitus complained that “it is easier for a republican form of government to be applauded than realized,” he was living in an empire under the Caesars and knew it. But he was bemoaning the loss of that adherence to the laws and to the protections of the constitution which made the nation no longer a republic; and not to the f act that it was headed by an emperor.

The word democracy comes from the Greek and means, literally, government by the people. The word “republic” comes from the Latin, res publica, and means literally “the public affairs.” The word “commonwealth,” as once widely used, and as still used in the official title of my state, “the Commonwealth of Massachusetts,” is almost an exact translation and continuation of the original meaning of res publica. And it was only in this sense that the Greeks, such as Plato, used the term that has been translated as “republic.” Plato was writing about an imaginary “commonwealth”; and while he certainly had strong ideas about the kind of government this Utopia should have, those ideas were not conveyed nor foreshadowed by his title.

The historical development of the meaning of the word republic might be summarized as follows. The Greeks learned that, as Dr. Durant puts it, “man became free when he recognized that he was subject to law.” The Romans applied the formerly general term “republic” specifically to that system of government in which both the people and their rulers were subject to law. That meaning was recognized throughout all later history, as when the term was applied, however inappropriately in fact and optimistically in self-deception, to the “Republic of Venice” or to the “Dutch Republic.” The meaning was thoroughly understood by our Founding Fathers. As early as 1775 John Adams had pointed out that Aristotle (representing Greek thought), Livy (whom he chose to represent Roman thought), and Harington (a British statesman), all “define a republic to be a government of laws and not of men.” And it was with this full understanding that our constitution-makers proceeded to establish a government which, by its very structure, would require that both the people and their rulers obey certain basic laws -- laws which could not be changed without laborious and deliberate changes in the very structure of that government. When our Founding Fathers established a “republic,” in the hope, as Benjamin Franklin said, that we could keep it, and when they guaranteed to every state within that “republic” a “republican form” of government, they well knew the significance of the terms they were using. And were doing all in their power to make the features of government signified by those terms as permanent as possible. They also knew very well indeed the meaning of the word democracy, and the history of democracies; and they were deliberately doing everything in their power to avoid for their own times, and to prevent for the future, the evils of a democracy.

Let's look at some of the things they said to support and clarify this purpose. On May 31, 1787, Edmund Randolph told his fellow members of the newly assembled Constitutional Con vention that the object for which the delegates had met was “to provide a cure for the evils under which the United States labored; that in tracing these evils to their origin every man had found it in the turbulence and trials of democracy....”

The delegates to the Convention were clearly in accord with this statement. At about the same time another delegate, Elbridge Gerry, said: “The evils we experience flow from the excess of democracy. The people do not want (that is, do not lack) virtue; but are the dupes of pretended patriots.” And on June 21, 1788, Alexander Hamilton made a speech in which he stated: "It had been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience had proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity."

At another time Hamilton said: “We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy.” And Samuel Adams warned: “Remember, Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself! There never was a democracy that ‘did not commit suicide.’”

James Madison, one of, the members of the Convention who was charged with drawing up our Constitution, wrote as follows: “...democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

Madison and Hamilton and Jay and their compatriots of the Convention prepared and adopted a Constitution in which they nowhere even mentioned the word democracy, not because they were not familiar with such a form of government, but because they were. The word democracy had not occurred in the Declaration of Independence, and does not appear in the constitution of a single one of our fifty states-which constitutions are derived mainly from the thinking of the Founding Fathers of the Republic - for the same reason. They knew all about Democracies, and if they had wanted one for themselves and their posterity, they would have founded one. Look at all the elaborate system of checks and balances which they established; at the carefully worked-out protective clauses of the Constitution itself, and especially of the first ten amendments known as the Bill of Rights; at the effort, as Jefferson put it, to “bind men down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution,” and thus to solidify the rule not of men but of laws. All of these steps were taken, deliberately, to avoid and to prevent a Democracy, or any of the worst features of a Democracy, in the United States of America.

And so our republic was started on its way. And for well over a hundred years our politicians, statesmen, and people remembered that this was a republic, not a democracy, and knew what they meant when they made that distinction. Again, let's look briefly at some of the evidence.

Washington, in his first inaugural address, dedicated himself to “the preservation of the republican model of government.” Thomas Jefferson, our third president, was the founder of the Democratic Party; but in his first inaugural address, although he referred several times to the Republic or the republican form of government, he did not use the word “democracy” a single time. And John Marshall, who was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court from 1801 to 1835, said: “Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.”

Throughout all of the Nineteenth Century and the very early part of the Twentieth, while America as a republic was growing great and becoming the envy of the whole world, there were plenty of wise men, both in our country and outside of it, who pointed to the advantages of a republic, which we were enjoying, and warned against the horrors of a democracy, into which we might fall. Around the middle of that century, Herbert Spencer, the great English philosopher, wrote, in an article on The Americans: “The Republican form of government is the highest form of government; but because of this it requires the highest type of human nature -- a type nowhere at present existing.” And in truth we have not been a high enough type to preserve the republic we then had, which is exactly what he was prophesying.

Thomas Babington Macaulay said: “I have long been convinced that institutions purely democratic must, sooner or later, destroy liberty or civilization, or both.” And we certainly seem to be in a fair way today to fulfill his dire prophecy. Nor was Macaulay’s contention a mere personal opinion without intellectual roots and substance in the thought of his times. Nearly two centuries before, Dryden had already lamented that “no government had ever been, or ever can be, wherein timeservers and blockheads will not be uppermost.” And as a result, he had spoken of nations being “drawn to the dregs of a democracy.” While in 1795 Immanuel Kant had written: “Democracy is necessarily despotism.”

In 1850 Benjamin Disraeli, worried as was Herbert Spencer at what was already being foreshadowed in England, made a speech to the British House of Commons in which he said: “If you establish a democracy, you must in due time reap the fruits of a democracy. You will in due season have great impatience of public burdens, combined in due season with great increase of public expenditures You will in due season have wars entered into from passion and not from reason; and you will in due season submit to peace ignominiously sought and ignominiously obtained, which will diminish your authority and perhaps endanger your independence. You will in due season find your property is less valuable, and your freedom less complete.” Disraeli could have made that speech with even more appropriateness before a joint session of the American Congress in 1935. And in 1870 he had already come up with an epigram which is strikingly true for the United States today. “The world is weary,” he said, “of statesmen whom democracy has degraded into politicians.”

But even in Disraeli’s day there were similarly prophetic voices on this side of the Atlantic. In our own country James Russell Lowell showed that he recognized the danger of unlimited majority rule by writing:

“Democracy gives every man the right to be his own oppressor.”

W. H. Seward pointed out that “Democracies are prone to war, and war consumes them.” This is an observation certainly borne out during the past fifty years exactly to the extent that we have been becoming a democracy and fighting wars, with each trend as both a cause and an effect of the other one. And Ralph Waldo Emerson issued a most prophetic warning when he said: “Democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors.” If Emerson could have looked ahead to the time when so many of the editors would themselves be a part of, or sympathetic to, the gang of bullies, as they are today, lie would have been even more disturbed. And in the 1880's Governor Seymour of New York said that the merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it.

Across the Atlantic again, a little later, Oscar Wilde once contributed this epigram to the discussion: “Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people.” While on this side, and after the first World War had made the degenerative trend in our government so visible to any penetrating observer, H. L. Mencken wrote: “The most popular man under a democracy is not the most democratic man, but the most despotic man. The common folk delight in the exactions of such a man. They like him to boss them. Their natural gait is the goosestep.” While Ludwig Lewisohn observed: “Democracy, which began by liberating men politically, has developed a dangerous tendency to enslave him through the tyranny of majorities and the deadly power of their opinion.”

But it was a great Englishman, G. K. Chesterton, who put his finger on the basic reasoning behind all the continued and determined efforts of the Communists to convert our republic into a democracy. “You can never have a revolution,” he said, “in order to establish a democracy. You must have a democracy in order to have a revolution.”

And in 1931 the Duke of Northumberland, in his booklet, The History of World Revolution, stated: “The adoption of Democracy as a form of Government by all European nations is fatal to good Government, to liberty, to law and order, to respect for authority, and to religion, and must eventually produce a state of chaos from which a new world tyranny will arise.” While an even more recent analyst, Archibald E. Stevenson, summarized the situation as follows: “De Tocqueville once warned us,” he wrote, “that: ‘If ever the free institutions of America are destroyed, that event will arise from the unlimited tyranny of the majority.’ But a majority will never be permitted to exercise such ‘unlimited tyranny’ so long as we cling to the American ideals of republican liberty and turn a deaf ear to the siren voices now calling us to democracy. This is not a question relating to the form of government. That can always be changed by constitutional amendment. It is one affecting the underlying philosophy of our system -- a philosophy which brought new dignity to the individual, more safety for minorities and greater justice in the administration of government. We are in grave danger of dissipating this splendid heritage through mistaking it for democracy.”

And there have been plenty of other voices to warn us."

Robert Welch - September 17, 1961

Congressman Ron Paul's Resolution 443 Supports the Constitution - We Are a "Republic", not a "Democracy"

509 posted on 01/03/2003 8:46:21 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: MissAmericanPie
BTTT
510 posted on 01/04/2003 4:22:36 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: eldoradude
Why waste billions on Homeland Security spying on citizens when it would be much more cost effective and productive to have secure borders. America First!

We are wide open for another 9/11 like attack. When will the people of America get mad enough to MAKE thier government listen it's citizens?
I hope they will before it's too late.

511 posted on 01/04/2003 4:29:27 AM PST by SwordofTruth
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To: SwordofTruth; MissAmericanPie
I pulled this off of Worldnetdaily.

Militia's first armed patrol set for today - Saturday, January 4, 2003

512 posted on 01/04/2003 3:07:06 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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