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Smoking Ban Faces Little Protest (???) Boston
Yahoo News ^ | 16 October 2002

Posted on 10/16/2002 12:05:46 PM PDT by SheLion

A proposal to ban smoking in all workplaces in Boston has not met with much controversy.

NewsCenter 5's Kelley Tuthill reported
that since Mayor Thomas Menino proposed the ban three weeks ago, there has not been much of a response, according to city officials. The ordinance would make all workplaces smoke free, including restaurants, bars and clubs.

The ordinance will be voted on by the Public Health Commission.

"We haven't received as much input as we expected we would," commission member John Auerbach said. "We received a number of letters -- scores of letters -- and the letters are running about 10-to-1 in favor of the regulation."

Currently in Boston, smoking is relegated to certain sections of restaurants and allowed in bars in clubs.

"We are part of a trend of cities that are going smoke free," Auerbach said. "All the large cities in California are currently smoke free in all workplaces. New York City is debating virtually an identical regulation to ours."

Some Boston bars are starting a petition drive against the ordinance, but at Whiskey's on Boylston Street,
managers said that they have no problem going smoke free, as long as their competitors have to.

"It'll hurt business originally, but then people will get used to the non-smoking thing, and business will pick up as usual," manager Austin Eichelberger said.

Cigar Masters owner Steve Saloman said that he is worried that his cigar bar would go out of business if the ordinance is approved. He spent $300,000 moving his 6-year-old cigar bar to Boylston Street.

"We feel that we fall in a gray area," Saloman said. "Everybody who comes in here is here to smoke, so they're not offending anybody."

The commission said there may be an exemption that would allow Cigar Masters to stay open. A public hearing is set for Wednesday night from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. at Roxbury Community College. The commission could vote as early as Nov. 6.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; michaeldobbs; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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To: Just another Joe
:) thnx bro

i think ill leave this post on that note. a good one. any more responses to me in a negative tone will not be dealt with.
261 posted on 10/18/2002 7:25:44 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha
do you not see us at least acting s equals?

From what I have read of your posts.....NO.

262 posted on 10/18/2002 7:27:20 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: MacDorcha
any more responses to me in a negative tone will not be dealt with.

This is just too funny, I suggest you read all your own posts again, then come back and tell us about negative tones.

Just too darn funny.

263 posted on 10/18/2002 7:33:30 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: MacDorcha
if you would kindly read what i say and catch up, im sure youll find i have backed off from several of my previous holdings.

All well and good - and many of us are thrilled with it - however - you seem to be rather picky in your own catching up and taking to ignoring of posts to you. Could that be because you have no answers, or just an unwillingness to attempt a rational discousre??

264 posted on 10/18/2002 7:37:42 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: MacDorcha
addiction also isnt applied to caffine as a drug world wide even now, and yet, if you take away an avid coffee drinkers cup of joe? instant wreck.

And you believe it's a good thing to corrupt the definition of a word so it no longer has any real meaning?

265 posted on 10/18/2002 7:43:32 PM PDT by Max McGarrity
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To: SheLion
Well, I guess I know where not to take my vacation dollars next year!


266 posted on 10/18/2002 7:47:15 PM PDT by realwoman
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To: MacDorcha
It makes no difference they weren't directed to me - you did and I responded to you - and made a request of an answer from you.

People having been smoking for hundreds of years -m it's obviously you.

People make choices whether to smoke or not - it is human nature to make choices about what they choose to do - what more lesson do you need than that?

It matters not to me if they were directed to me, I answered - my questions are still directed to you.

267 posted on 10/18/2002 7:51:18 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: realwoman
Oh, shoot, we can give you a whole list of places.
There might not be that many places left after you read the list. LOL
268 posted on 10/18/2002 8:10:15 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: MacDorcha
i think ill leave this post on that note. a good one. any more responses to me in a negative tone will not be dealt with.

That is a rather juvenile attitude to take.

Most of the negative posts toward you were deserved because of your own negative attitude.

I never took a negative or flaming or insulting attitude toward you - yet you have chosen to ignore much of what I had to say to you.

I can only make the assumption ( I hate assuming anything) that you can not answer any of my questions or refute any of my facts and were not a big enough man to say so. I guess that goes along with your heritage.

I will thank you for showing that you were wrong and most of what you posted was also incorrect.

269 posted on 10/18/2002 8:12:51 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Just another Joe
Cool. I could use some new vacation ideas. The smoking part doesn't really matter, I quit recently. But TELLING me I CAN'T does matter!


270 posted on 10/18/2002 9:16:25 PM PDT by realwoman
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To: realwoman
Sorry, I meant we could give you a list of places NOT to go.
271 posted on 10/19/2002 7:49:41 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: realwoman
Well, I guess I know where not to take my vacation dollars next year!

Isn't this a mess? Boston is so beautiful, and the pubs and clubs are so fine, and they will really suffer. If these prissy nosed a-holes with their anti smoking agenda pass this bill, do you really think they are going to spend their money to pick up the slack from the loss of business?

Heck no! They are too "prissy nosed" to even consider going into a pub or club to begin with. They drink and smoke behind closed doors, and lay down laws that the "lowly" have to live with.

272 posted on 10/19/2002 9:15:59 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Great Dane
LOL, Seems coffee and cigarettes works better than just sitting down.

Trouble with me, I can sit here for HOURS working, THINKING, researching with my coffee mug (BIG MUG), and my cigarettes. I am happy as can be...


273 posted on 10/19/2002 9:19:33 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Gabz; MacDorcha
It seems in the 2 months Mac has been here, this is the one and only thread he has posted on. Hummmmm.
274 posted on 10/19/2002 1:25:23 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: oldtimer; Just another Joe; SheLion; Max McGarrity; Gabz; Great Dane
After speaking between Joe and Dane, i have decided that i owe an apology to others who had taken more time than myself to research the subject of this thread. I am sorry if i missed anyone i need to say this to. Please, everyone I upset, allow me that one screw up, and give me another chance. I flamed people in reaction to ill-will i felt i was being given by others. I did not intend to come to this thread to make people feel bad, I just happen to be a very frank person. The words i said in anger were just that. The words i said in ignorance were also that. I did try to spend some time and effort to find out all I could on the subject before i opened my yap, but all that i had ever heard of was just one side of the story.

To SheLion and oldtimer especially:
I am humbly sorry for my outburst towards you two in particular. I tend to stand for myself when I think its needed, and at the time I counter-flamed you guys, it was not needed. Please allow me another time or post to not be connected with the feelings I'm sure i made you feel on this thread.

Again, I'm sorry if I missed anyone, but i think i found all that i had been in heat with. Feel free to contact me without such outbursts again. I really am a good guy, just stubborn as a scottish, teenaged, male would ever be is all. I'll try to keep that in check in the future.

Fregards to you and yours.
275 posted on 10/28/2002 6:28:32 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha
It takes a big man to apologize, apology accepted.

There really is a lot of good info here, I have learned a lot, so can you, I don't expect it to change your mind but it's still good to look at both sides of the coin.

276 posted on 10/28/2002 7:09:06 PM PST by Great Dane
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To: MacDorcha
I am impressed with you. It takes a very big person to admit a mistake. You have proven to be a very big person.

Welcome to the fray - hang out read and learn some things.

No one is going to make any attempt to try to get you to take up smoking - all we want is the ability to get our side of the story heard.

And it is obvious, based on your post, that we are starting to make a little headway.

Thank you for being big enough to make an apology - you prove there is still hope for the next generation.

277 posted on 10/28/2002 8:51:15 PM PST by Gabz
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To: MacDorcha
Mac, welcome to the FRay. Keep the attitude that you will stand by your values but are willing to learn and you will do well in whatever you attempt.
278 posted on 10/29/2002 6:12:47 AM PST by Just another Joe
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To: MacDorcha
I really am a good guy.

MacDorcha!! Thank you SO much! You know you are welcome here with us! Smokers and non-smokers alike. We are all good friends here in trying to keep America Free. You don't have to love smoking in order to do that!

So much hate and bile has been put forth by the anti's against decent people who choose to buy and smoke a legal commodity. So, it's not your fault that you have been brow beaten into thinking it's all true.

I really thank you for giving us a chance to prove the anti's are wrong to you. We have (and do) a lot of research on this smoking and second hand smoke business. Like several articles say "It's All Smoke and Mirrors."

Thanks, MacDorcha!

279 posted on 10/29/2002 6:48:21 AM PST by SheLion
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To: MacDorcha
Kewl. We don't mind disagreement, Mac, just disagreeable disagreement which does no one any good.
280 posted on 10/29/2002 10:49:14 AM PST by Max McGarrity
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