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No apology, more charges from Simon [GOP hopeful defends allegations to the shock of Davis' camp]
Contra Costa Times ^ | October 10, 2002 | Daniel Borenstein and Andrew LaMar

Posted on 10/10/2002 4:27:46 AM PDT by RonDog

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:29:49 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

As Bill Simon's allegations of illegal fund raising crumbled, the Republican candidate acknowledged late Wednesday that his charges against Gov. Gray Davis were unfounded.

But Simon did not apologize to the governor. He said he had "a good-faith basis" for believing the false accusation he made public Monday.


(Excerpt) Read more at bayarea.com ...


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: billsimon; calgov2002; graydavis
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To: RonDog
These disruptors are not conservatives. They are either DUers playing conservatives or the whining sheeple losers of loser third parties.

The quote below from Theodore Roosevelt should be posted after every whine and stab in the back reply posted by these losers in life:

It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcomings, who knows the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows in the end the high achievement of triumph and who at worst, if he fails while daring greatly, knows his place shall never be with those timid and cold souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

There is only one thing worse in this world than rats, those are the phoney conservatives who spend every waking moment condemning republicans, President Bush and in this case Bill Simon.

These losers in life practice the same political actions practiced in Germany in the late 1920's and in the 1930's. If you can't win elections via the votes, be a political thug and intimidate people and electronically lynch legitimate republican candidates and office holders.

61 posted on 10/10/2002 9:03:43 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Congressman Billybob
Davis is more subtle than that. He deals in "kickfronts."

Actually, I don't give Davis credit for that kind of creativity; Pete Wilson was pretty good at the same game. Davis is just more blatant about it.

62 posted on 10/10/2002 9:10:26 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Congressman Billybob; SierraWasp; RonDog
It might have a similar impact as the Chang Memorandum did on Senator Robert ("the Public Official") Torricelli. Governor Gray ("high public official") Davis should then be referred to that way, because that's the code phrase used for Davis in the Nathanson letter.

You don't think the Slave Party has the balls to pull a Torridchili and whip Crux Bustamentalcase into the Governor's chair at this late date, do you?

(Please don't say so, I want to keep my illusions!)

If Simon gets a hold of the Nathanson letter, he'd better keep holding it until it's too late to make the switch!

63 posted on 10/10/2002 9:18:07 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Congressman Billybob
FIND THAT DAMNED PAINTING BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF A KIND. Where the painting was in 1998 (an expensive painting by a name artist -- though I wouldn't have it on a bet) is where the photograph was taken.

Articles posted earlier today claim that it was in the private home of a Davis backer.

64 posted on 10/10/2002 9:28:34 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian
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To: airborne
Thanks for your post # 5. I love that story!
And, from the REST of that story, FReepers are Patton's Third Army...

1944: Forces from the United States Third Army under General Patton punch through the last German resistance around Bastogne, relieving the "Screaming Eagles" of the 101st Airborne Division and the units of the 10th Armored Division that have held the town against all Nazi attacks since mid-December. In their final push to relieve Bastogne, Patton's men have traveled 150 miles under heavy fire in nineteen hours.

See also:

VIDEO): Dump Davis Freep featuring the eGray Hooker and a cast of dozens - October 5, 2002
amazing.com ^ | 10/08/2002 | David H Dennis (that's me!)
Posted on 10/08/2002 7:15 PM Pacific by daviddennis

On Saturday, October 5, the eGray Hooker, Steve the Chickenman, and a cast of dozens appeared to freep the hapless Governor Gray Davis and Hillary Clinton in their union-sponsored appearance at the Century Plaza Hotel in Century City. Freepers were joined by a wonderfully high-energy bunch of San Diego students for the ultimate freep experience

more

65 posted on 10/10/2002 9:30:05 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Congressman Billybob
From the lead article on this thread:

The death blow came Wednesday when Davis' staff tracked down the private Santa Monica home where the governor posed for pictures with a campaign contributor. The positive identification of the home by the host of the 1998 event rebuffed the Simon campaign allegation that the photos of Davis accepting a check were taken in the state Capitol, which would have been a violation of state law.

The house, with an abstract painting by artist David Amico, belonged in 1998 to Bruce Karatz, chairman and CEO of KB Home. The company was then called Kaufman and Broad. In the photos, "the door behind Gray leads into his (Karatz') den," said company vice president Larry Gotlieb. "(Karatz) recognized the door that leads into his den and he recognized the Amico painting."

Karatz has since sold the 8,451-square-foot house. But Gotlieb said Karatz still owns the distinctive painting that is shown in the photos. Gotlieb said Karatz hosted a campaign meeting on the morning of Jan. 31, 1998, the day the photos were taken. Gotlieb said he also attended the meeting.

Further supporting the Davis' account, campaign records filed with the secretary of state show that Kaufman and Broad gave Davis a $1,663 non-monetary contribution by hosting a "breakfast meeting" that morning.

66 posted on 10/10/2002 9:32:41 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian
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To: RonDog
Have you found any high resolution scans of the Davis-COPS photo? I've located a possible address and posted it on the website. If there is a Freeper with a dig camera and who lives in the area, they can photo the surroundings.

But, we need a high resolution scan of the view over Lt. Gov. Davis' right shoulder. You can see over his shoulder and into an area with vegetation. If that area is a golf course on the high resolution scan, it would be consistent with the story that Mr. Karatz has stated. If it isn't, then Karatz' story is an incorrect recollection and the photo was taken somewhere else.
67 posted on 10/10/2002 10:00:46 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Lurking Libertarian; RonDog; All
Can someone go visit this house and get a digital photo taken?

It looks like the address was
2121 LA MESA DR, SANTA MONICA, CA 90402

Assessor's Parcel Number: 4407-018-006 (Multiple APNs appear on the Conveying Instrument)

Legal Description: LOT: 16; CITY: SANTA MONICA; TRACT NUMBER: 7233; RECORDER'S MAP REFERENCE: MB77 PG5

Brief Description: LOT16 TR#10163 MB142 PG75-77
68 posted on 10/10/2002 10:05:22 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Commie Basher
"Davis is corrupt and unprincipled, but he doesn't strike me as a lightweight. He's a seasoned politico. And FWIW, I think Davis is a Vietnam combat veteran, unlike softy rich-boy Simon."

Interesting point about his military service which I was unaware of.

Excerpt from the Gray Davis official bios:

"He entered active duty in the U.S. Army in 1967, rising to the rank of captain while serving in Vietnam in 1968-69. In Vietnam he earned the Bronze Star for meritorious service. He is a life member of the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

My impression of him as a lightweight is merely based on the few times I have seen him on TV and obviously I was somewhat disgusted with his sleazy pandering and self-serving persona. Notwithstanding his military service, I'm still somewhat unimpressed with his gravitas and his corrupt nature can probably be exploited with the right approach. I'll readily admit that I'm doubtful that Simon is capable or competent enough to accomplish this. Anyone as corrupt as Davis is definitely vulnerable to a direct confrontation and the opportunity exists for the right opponent.

I'm not a California resident and can only extend my best wishes that your candidate can rise up to this challenge.

Best of luck to my fellow Freepers and all conservatives in your state.

69 posted on 10/10/2002 10:05:40 AM PDT by IoCaster
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To: GraniteStateConservative
He's got idiots running his campaign.

They should be shot. I fail to see how the campaign could possibly have been run any worse. Simon was always on the defensive. His positions flip-flopped and were not well established before release. He went after small electoral segments at the expense of much larger ones. Pathetic is the operative word. It's so bad, it's like they were on Davis' payroll. Hopefully they are blacklisted as traitors and never work again.

70 posted on 10/10/2002 10:11:05 AM PDT by Rockitz
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To: bonesmccoy
http://assessormap.co.la.ca.us/la_gif/bk4407/440701800.gif

Just for the sake of documentation... here's the LA County Property Tax Assessment map for this property (which MAY be the one Mr. Karatz refers to). The property i question is Lot 16.

Here is an overhead shot of the area from Terraserver.Microsoft.Com

If there is a UCLA Freeper who can drive a few miles down San Vicente and if this not gated, then you can snap a digital photo of the area and compare.

71 posted on 10/10/2002 10:16:43 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: IoCaster
I wish somebody could find out exactly what Davis actually did in Vietnam. Did he "see the elephant," as it were?

72 posted on 10/10/2002 10:21:24 AM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: That Subliminal Kid
My thoughts are that Davis has always skated through his ethics problems so the ethics stuff isn't going to work. Simon must comment on his record and lack thereof. But in my estimation, it is too late.
73 posted on 10/10/2002 10:24:21 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: Congressman Billybob; Lurking Libertarian; bonesmccoy
FIND THAT DAMNED PAINTING BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF A KIND. Where the painting was in 1998 (an expensive painting by a name artist -- though I wouldn't have it on a bet) is where the photograph was taken.

Exactly...now the painting has been found, but apparently it is "moveable", since:

Karatz has since sold the 8,451-square-foot house. But Gotlieb said Karatz still owns the distinctive painting that is shown in the photos.

Therefore, the painting could have been hanging just about anywhere in 1998, and we have only Karatz's word (he the beneficiary of the "kick-front")that in fact the photo is of the interior of his previous residence. To prove his veracity:

we need a high resolution scan of the view over Lt. Gov. Davis' right shoulder.

Or perhaps more "corroborating photos" of the house, its surroundings, and the campaign event in question. Do we see Davis et. al. offering this proof?!

Seriesly, Simon needs to hammer Davis on kick-fronts and other of his mendacious and quite likely illegal political practices, but it's nice to have a "conspiracy theory" to go along with it...and after all, who knows? ;)

74 posted on 10/10/2002 10:26:33 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: randita

Where was all this "righteous indignation" when Gray Out called Simon a criminal as a result of the unfounded verdict against Simon's company? The verdict was later thrown out, but did Davis apologize or drop out of the race? Of course not.

In fact,  Davis continued to play the ads!!!


75 posted on 10/10/2002 10:29:55 AM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: 88keys; RonDog; All
I don't think Simon should back down. Davis' character practically guarantees that he's taken illegal contributions. The proof is out there. As for how this has been handled, personally I think Simon's staff is mediocre at best.

I'm not changing my mind about voting for Simon, and this isn't a "hold my nose vote", either. Simon just doesn't know how to play the game, that doesn't mean he won't make an effective governor.
76 posted on 10/10/2002 10:33:48 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl
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To: RonDog
We have to stay focused on what's happening and who we are dealing with. Davis' team will stop at nothing. It's pretty obvious that this whole photo issue was a set up from the beginning.

You can't outslime the master. Just because Simon impetuously walked into this situation doesn't mean he is an idiot, or not fit to govern. It does show, however, that he is not equipped to 'campaign' at this level.

77 posted on 10/10/2002 10:35:04 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior
According to the L.A. Times today, Simon's people knew about the photo "earlier this year." But they didn't actually see it until a couple of weeks ago,and that was only a glimpse. The plan "according to campaign sources" was for Simon to bait the hook at the debate, then allow the COPS people to file their complaint with the election commision, while staying out of it himself. But after the debate, reporters figured that he must have a smoking gun stashed somewhere and they pressed him on it. Simon said that he had evidence that Simon had broken the law. The next day, the COPS people released the photo to the media, and the allegation began to unravel immediately. Someone from the Simon campaign rushed to the capitol building and quickly saw that the picture couldn't have been taken where is was supposed to have been taken. But they didn't get word to Simon in time, and he stepped in it deeper with a press conference, only to backtrack almost immediately.

Meanwhile, it's now revealed that Simon has paid COPS and an affiliated consulting firm to the tune of $444,000.

78 posted on 10/10/2002 11:07:22 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: AnnaZ; RonDog; randita
See this excellent article:

Now We Know Why Davis Won’t Debate

79 posted on 10/10/2002 11:34:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: bonesmccoy
But, we need a high resolution scan of the view over Lt. Gov. Davis' right shoulder. You can see over his shoulder and into an area with vegetation. If that area is a golf course on the high resolution scan, it would be consistent with the story that Mr. Karatz has stated. If it isn't, then Karatz' story is an incorrect recollection and the photo was taken somewhere else.

One of the other threads for this story had a good blow-up of the window. You can't see a golf course, but you can see an ivy-covered garden wall just a few feet outside the window. It always looked more like a residential setting than any sort of government building.

80 posted on 10/10/2002 11:36:22 AM PDT by Heyworth
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