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SMOKE - AND FIRED
TheNewYorkPost ^ | 2 October 2002 | DAVID SEIFMAN

Posted on 10/04/2002 12:04:04 AM PDT by SheLion

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:09:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A top Housing Authority official has smoked himself out of an $80,000-a-year job.

After consulting with the mayor's office, Housing chairman Tino Hernandez yesterday ordered the immediate firing of Robert Swinton, the deputy director of the Office of Facility Planning, one of five employees spotted by a Post reporter last week in extended smoking sessions outside the agency's headquarters at 250 Broadway.


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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; michaeldobbs; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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To: Just another Joe
There are good employees that smoke and good emplolyees that don't smoke and I have NEVER seen a good employee driven away JUST because one of the other employees smoked on their break.

In fact, Joe, where Hubby works, when the smokers run out to grab a break, the non-smokers go with them just to stretch their legs. So not every non-smoker hates us.

141 posted on 10/26/2002 10:18:22 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: JoeSixPack1
Smokers now subsidize more of your insurance costs then ever recorded before due to new taxation levels so THANK ME for any insurance costs you may save in the future!

Your sure right!

The Congressional Research Service, in the 1998 revision of their study found: Smokers cost the federal government $9 billion in medical care and $10 billion in lost contributions to social security, etc. But they also found they save $40 billion in retirement costs (mostly social security), about $8 billion in nursing home costs (mostly from Medicaid), and they collect $5.6 billion in cigarette taxes. When added up, smokers saved the federal government $34.6 billion dollars yearly.

State governments saved money too. After subtracting net medical costs of $1.5 billion and $1.8 billion from lost contributions from a savings of $4.8 billion in nursing home costs financed through Medicaid and $.6 billion in retirement savings, and $7.6 billion in cigarette taxes, smokers saved the states almost $9.7 billion.

142 posted on 10/26/2002 10:22:07 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
LOL YOU ROCK!!!!!! :-)

Good numbers!!!!
143 posted on 10/26/2002 10:27:34 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeSixPack1

144 posted on 10/26/2002 10:29:14 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: *all
I'll be back later.

Save my seat!

145 posted on 10/26/2002 10:30:27 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: FreedomPoster
Why would a business want to encourage/allow on-premises an activity that tends to reduce productivity, increase insurance rates, and drive away good employees?

reduce productivity - If smoking had such an impact on productivity, as you claim, there should be droves of unemployed smokers out there looking for jobs...I don't see that...at all. Like any good businessman, if an employee is not producing you fire him...regardless of whether of not they smoke.

increase insurance costs - smokers have not been the cause of rising health care costs within recent history. I argue, that there was probably alot more smokers the period of the 1940's to the 1970's per capita then there are now, and health care(in general) and health care costs were alot more reasonable back then. Increased health costs have more to do with the overregulation of health care by the fed gov (i.e. mandated benefits, HMO's), overtaxation (Medicare and Medicaid) and ambulance-chasing malpractice attorneys.

drive away good employees - an empty-handed statement...if your a "good" employee, your at your job simply to do the best job you can, make your $$$ and go home. A good employee focuses his efforts on his JOB...not whether or not JoeBlow is outside smoking.

146 posted on 10/26/2002 10:33:40 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: FreedomPoster
In my business? There's very little drinking going on, and I wouldn't employ someone with a drinking problem. As far as fatty foods, while I enjoy a good burger every now and then, I probably wouldn't hire someone who is grossly overweight. Credit checks on new hires are a standard business practice, and would tend to reveal someone with a gambling problem.

It sounds like you could be charged with violating the Americans with Disabilities Act if you follow these edicts.

147 posted on 10/26/2002 11:47:33 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: VRWC_minion
Not at all. I'm also a big suporter of at-will employment rights. Nobody is entitled to an employment position against the will of the employer. (My Contracts professor says that Indiana is probably the best state in the union for supporting at-will rights, so I'm probably not as adamant a defender of it as I should be. We've got it covered, here!)

If the employer wants to fire the employee for being away from their desk for 69 minutes per day, that's appropriate, too. The problem is that they're mandating him to be away from his desk to smoke. To be fair, they should find some way to ensure that the worker can still be productive while they are reoved from the working area... outside phone calling, smoker-only workrooms, and mundane manual labor duties immediately come to mind. (No help for the nico-fiend teachers, though!)

As stated above, it was making smoking verboten in the workplace that has caused these problems. Repeal that rule, and most of the issues go away. Unfortunately we have a populace and a bureaucracy that both demand that laws and regulations settle all disputes, rather than intelligence, social skills, and diplomacy.

148 posted on 10/26/2002 11:51:46 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: lewislynn
Only smoke filled brains would suggest that taxes would contribute to the economy.

It's only politicians who think that....... or pretend to.

149 posted on 10/26/2002 1:04:21 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: FreedomPoster
You're grasping at straws. Or butts.

They still lived to a ripe old age.

150 posted on 10/26/2002 1:06:04 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: Teacher317
Non-smoker bump for smokers' rights!

Thank you.

151 posted on 10/26/2002 1:07:46 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: JoeSixPack1
Now she's treating each problem for the problem that it is and life is good!.

LOL, Which is what she should have done in the first place.

152 posted on 10/26/2002 1:10:50 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: SheLion
Sounds like discrimination agsinst an addicted worker.

What if he'd/they'd be heroin addicts?

YOU know the answer.

153 posted on 10/26/2002 1:18:20 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: ccmay
Personally, I think making love to my wife beats any drug ever invented.

LOL......I *could* comment on that. But, wouldn't be prudent. Nope. Wouldn't be prudent.

154 posted on 10/26/2002 1:20:55 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Great Dane
My husband just had his checkup, xray and all, started smoking at 13, is now 70...... doctor told him his lungs were clear.... sorry to disappoint you.

I started smoking at 19 and my lungs at 55 are clear! Of course I stopped smoking at 19. Your post means nothing.

155 posted on 10/26/2002 1:27:44 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: NYCVirago
It sounds like you could be charged with violating the Americans with Disabilities Act if you follow these edicts.

hmmmmm sounds like he is a segregator.......isn't that illegal?

156 posted on 10/26/2002 3:11:43 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: Thumper1960
Personally, I think making love to my wife beats any drug ever invented.

LOL......I *could* comment on that. But, wouldn't be prudent. Nope. Wouldn't be prudent.

Like Great Dane said: you can't DO that at work.

157 posted on 10/26/2002 3:14:32 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: cinFLA
Your post means nothing.

What do you mean, the post means nothing?! After smoking all those years, and his lungs are still clear. I think that speaks volumes..

158 posted on 10/26/2002 3:16:31 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Like Great Dane said: you can't DO that at work.

I worked with a guy who..................ohhh...better not say.

:-)

159 posted on 10/26/2002 3:18:56 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Thumper1960
I think most of us have. heh!
160 posted on 10/26/2002 3:22:07 PM PDT by SheLion
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