Man , how I wish the Japanese would do something to curb smoking in public places . Here the bozos smoke IN the hospitals , and blow smoke in your $ 40 sushi when you are eating dinner in a restaurant . I could go on ...
1 posted on
09/17/2002 6:15:39 AM PDT by
sushiman
To: sushiman
You have no "right" to smoke in public, any more than you have a "right" to urinate in public.
Strangely, urination is at least beneficial to the one urinating--even if not for everyone else.
Smoking benefits no one.
2 posted on
09/17/2002 6:22:11 AM PDT by
Illbay
To: sushiman
Is there a money-making opportunity here for someone? Can an establishment "privatize", and allow smoking?
What I envision is a bar/restaurant suddenly becoming a members-only establishment. For a nominal fee ($5 a year?), a person could become a member. The membership agreement would include the fact that smoking would be allowed. Seems to me that such a place would do huge business.
Would a "cigar bar" need to go out of business under this new law?
3 posted on
09/17/2002 6:23:37 AM PDT by
Mr. Bird
To: sushiman
We desperately need to fire those who get elected and then "group up" to deprive others of basic rights.
No matter their intentions for good, let's get rid of these politicians who preside over the "tryranny of the majority" efforts to undo the Bill of Rights, and freedom.
7 posted on
09/17/2002 6:50:53 AM PDT by
RISU
To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; SheLion
Suffolk Legis. Fred Towle (R-Shirley) said the ban is too intrusive and takes away people's ability to make decisions. "There comes a point when government has gone too far," he said. Finally someone who sees the WHOLE picture.
As far as tis is concerned, the rights of the private property owners superceeds the rights of anti-smokers to be smokefree and the rights of smokers to smoke on private proerty.
12 posted on
09/17/2002 6:57:03 AM PDT by
Gabz
To: sushiman
"Second-hand smoke kills tens of thousands of Americans each year and injures the health of tens of thousands more as well"Shouldn't this be headline news? Or is he just making this up to justify his position?
To: sushiman
"Second-hand smoke kills tens of thousands of Americans each year and injures the health of tens of thousands more as well," said Foley, What a crock! Oh, wait a DemoncRAT said it...never mind...consider the source.
To: sushiman
People who smoke are uniformly dumb and often inconsiderate, but that is no reason to usurp the property rights of private businesses.
37 posted on
09/17/2002 7:30:30 AM PDT by
Sloth
To: sushiman
They're everywhere.
Smoking ban debate heats up in Eden Prairie
Mpls (red)Star Tribune ^ | 9/17/02 | Terry Fiedler
Posted on 09/17/2002 7:19 AM Central by Valin
One of Eden Prairie's largest private employers has threatened to relocate many of its 600 jobs if the city passes a novel antismoking ordinance, joining a growing number of businesses rebelling against the proposal.
Douglas Corp., a manufacturer of car logo emblems and other product-identification items, joins metallic balloon manufacturer Anagram International and other businesses and business groups lining up against a proposal, the first in the state that would ban smoking in industrial businesses as well as bars and restaurants. Anagram said a few weeks ago it might be forced to relocate 350 people if the smoking ban passes.
"It's a human rights issue and a business issue," said Douglas Corp. president Doug Skanse, who estimates that 30 percent of his workers smoke in designated areas in two Eden Prairie facilities. He added that the company just couldn't afford to lose skilled workers. Douglas also has locations in Minneapolis and Staples, Minn.
City Council member Jan Mosman emphasized that the proposal, recently removed from the city's Web site, was merely a "compilation" of possible restrictions rather than an actual proposal. A vote on an ordinance isn't expected for a few weeks. "We're all looking to find intelligent solutions," Mosman said. "Some businesses are feeling targeted, [but] I believe we've tried very hard to take input from the chamber and restaurants at public hearings."
Even so, last week the Eden Prairie Chamber of Commerce came out against the proposed ordinance, calling it "unduly burdensome." Trade organizations representing restaurants, hotels and bowling proprietors are also lobbying against the move, with the bowlers' group threatening to sue the city with other parties.
Today, Eden Prairie-based management consultant Paul Wendorff plans to ask that the City Council set up a citizens' task force to investigate the conduct of the council regarding the proposed smoking plan.
Among other things, Wendorff wants to know more about the use of money from the Minnesota Partnership for Action Against Tobacco to lobby the council for an ordinance. MPAAT, a nonprofit created with more than $200 million in proceeds from the 1998 settlement of the state's lawsuit against cigarette manufacturers, gave a $200,000 grant to the American Cancer Society to lobby for smoking bans in Hennepin County communities.
In June, a Ramsey County District Court judge ruled that there was no legal justification for MPAAT's efforts to pass smoking bans; the group's designated mission is to assist individual smokers in quitting and to conduct research on tobacco-related health issues.
Wendorff also believes some Eden Prairie council members have conflicts of interest. He noted that council member Sherry Butcher selected Leslie Ellis, the head of the group Clean Air of the Prairie, which is lobbying for a smoking ban, as manager for her state senate campaign.
Butcher said, though, that Ellis is one of several campaign managers and that they represent both sides of the issue. "It's easy to cry wolf on that type of thing," she said.
Mosman said the city has already consulted with lawyers and that there is "no conflict of interest" among council members. Mosman added that the public has indicated that it wants the city to restrict smoking and that it's the council's duty to follow through.
Butcher is not necessarily of like mind. She said the council needs to be cautious and that it may be an issue for the state, rather than the city, to address.
Gary Chanen, managing partner of the Outback Steakhouse in Eden Prairie, thinks manufacturing firms may avoid the brunt of restrictions, and that bars and restaurants will end up being the "sacrificial lambs." One thing is certain, he said. "It's ugly and it's going to get uglier, too."
-- Terry Fiedler is at
tfiedler@startribune.com.
© Copyright 2002 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.
41 posted on
09/17/2002 7:38:11 AM PDT by
Valin
To: sushiman
The Suffolk bill would allow smoking only in private homes and in private enclosed offices occupied exclusively by smokers. How beneficent of them.
For how long?
42 posted on
09/17/2002 7:41:04 AM PDT by
facedown
To: sushiman
To all of you selfish smokers:
Its your life you smoke all you want,smoke in your homes, smoke in your cars, smoke in a platic bubble for all I care, but please, keep it to yourself. I dont want to breath it anymore than you want to breath my farts.
60 posted on
09/17/2002 8:09:41 AM PDT by
Tazman70
To: sushiman
Oh really! Lets just ban smoking and tobacco completely. That way the feds could just raise your taxes to make up the difference in monies they would lose. Also, they would raise your taxes since people would live longer and bleed the system dry as they get sick and older too. I smoke and if you do not like it "tuff" sh*t! I will smoke where i want to and there is not a whole lot anyone can do about it because if you complain ya just might find a fist or 357 shoved up yer nose. Sorry but it is time the smokers smoke where ever we want and tell the so called self rightous non smokers to shove it. I'm telling ya make them illegal. I can then sell them under the table make millions and watch the feds raise your taxes. It does cost more to take care of an old person for 20 years than it does for them to pay for the cancer i might get. I bet you ride a bike to work too. If you do look out i might run you into the gutter next time i see you.! HA HA HA what a dufuss! smoke this schuck
To: sushiman
Why do you go to restaurants that allow smoking? There are plenty of restaurants in Tokyo that don't allow smoking.
122 posted on
09/17/2002 5:59:12 PM PDT by
altair
To: All
To: sushiman; RISU; Puppage; Mulder; ohioman; ThomasJefferson; Centurion2000; Gabz; SheLion; ...
What answers do you have for this person?
Dana is highly allergic to tobacco products. When exposed, she suffers from excruciating migraines. When she suffers from excruciating migraines, she misses work. When she misses work, she loses her job. When she loses her job, she must (a) find another job, (b) go on welfare, (c) live on the street. She chooses (a).
The cycle repeats.
After being unsuccessfully treated for the allergies, she learns that if she wants to remain employed, she must stay in her home and other safe places so that she can avoid suffering migraines and losing her job.
What would you recommend for Dana? Should considerations be made for Dana and folks like her? Why or why not? If so, what accommodations can/should be made for those who struggle with health issues as a result of tobacco products?
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