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Bill Aims to Ban Workplace Smoking
Newsday | 9/17/02 | J. Palmer

Posted on 09/17/2002 6:15:39 AM PDT by sushiman

For almost 20 years, Suffolk County has been slowly eroding people's rights to smoke in public. With one more measure, the butts could stop here.

A group of bipartisan lawmakers today is expected to unveil a bill that bans smoking in virtually all workplaces - including bingo halls, bowling alleys, bars and restaurants. This effort is the product of talks with officials in Nassau, Westchester and New York City to provide a regional standard for workplace smoking.

The Suffolk bill would allow smoking only in private homes and in private enclosed offices occupied exclusively by smokers. Smoking also would be permitted in outdoor seating at bars and restaurants. State and federal property are exempt from the county's jurisdiction.

In Suffolk now, smoking is limited to separate rooms in all restaurants. It is also banned within 50 feet of hospitals or public buildings and restricted in workplaces.

Brian Foley, a Democratic legislator from Blue Point, said the proposed ban is essential to protect public health and is also a workplace safety issue.

"Second-hand smoke kills tens of thousands of Americans each year and injures the health of tens of thousands more as well," said Foley, who chairs the health committee and is co-sponsoring the bill with fellow Democrat Ginny Fields of Oakdale and Presiding Officer Paul Tonna, a Republican from West Hills. "This reso- lution is going to save lives here in Suffolk County."

Foley said the proposed ban will be discussed in the next health committee meeting Oct. 2. A public hearing before the full legislature will be held Oct. 8.

In Nassau, similar legislation will be considered by the legislature at its Oct. 7 meeting, said Deputy Presiding Officer Roger Corbin (D-Westbury). Corbin, the legislature's health committee chair, said the bill he's introducing is similar to Foley's. He said legislation being considered in Westchester and New York City will be in step with those proposed on Long Island, but is moving slightly slower.

Since talks among policymakers in the downstate region became public last month, the concept of a complete ban has run into stiff opposition from restaurant and bar owners who say businesses will go belly up as customers opt to stay home to smoke in peace.

John Reyerson, owner of McGuire's Restaurant and Comedy Club in Bohemia, said he expects to lose about a third of his business if the legislation is approved. He said a complete ban would be too onerous because about four years ago the county required restaurants and bars to install separate ventilation systems and partitions to segregate smoking and nonsmoking areas.

"There is no way I'm going to recoup my investment," said Reyerson, who is also chairman of the board of directors for the Suffolk Restaurant and Tavern Association. "They are not going to come here and have a beer and watch a football game if they can't have a smoke. Why would they?"

Suffolk Legis. Fred Towle (R-Shirley) said the ban is too intrusive and takes away people's ability to make decisions. "There comes a point when government has gone too far," he said.


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To: SheLion
Tazman70 signed up 2002-08-30.

Like I said, the anti smoker groups sends them over.

121 posted on 09/17/2002 5:55:47 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: sushiman
Why do you go to restaurants that allow smoking? There are plenty of restaurants in Tokyo that don't allow smoking.
122 posted on 09/17/2002 5:59:12 PM PDT by altair
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To: altair
Why do Americans always assume that every foreigner who is in Japan lives in Tokyo ? I live in Kyushu in southern Japan , in a small town in Kumamoto . EVERY restaurant I have ever been to allows smoking , and had NO " smoking section " . No doubt some family restaurants in big cities
have smoking sections , but most other types of restaurants do not . I don't frequent family restaurants , hence my trouble with smokers .
123 posted on 09/17/2002 6:44:54 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: sushiman
I don't frequent family restaurants , hence my trouble with smokers .

Maybe you should start.

124 posted on 09/17/2002 7:00:31 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: sushiman
Why do Americans always assume that every foreigner who is in Japan lives in Tokyo ?

That's my bad memory, sorry if I offended you. I thought I remembered you writing something about living in Tokyo.

EVERY restaurant I have ever been to allows smoking , and had NO " smoking section " .

There are lots of them in Kanto. There are also lots of restaurants that don't allow smoking at all. That's as it should be -- let the restaurant owner decide. I don't know what the situation is like elsewhere, I haven't gone out much since moving to Kobe.

125 posted on 09/17/2002 7:10:50 PM PDT by altair
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To: Madame Dufarge; Illbay
Good find, what a hypocrite.
126 posted on 09/17/2002 7:12:39 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: altair; sushiman
There are plenty of restaurants in Tokyo that don't allow smoking.

But then he would have nothing to complain about. :-}

127 posted on 09/17/2002 7:14:42 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: sushiman
I don't frequent family restaurants , hence my trouble with smokers .

You don't go to family restaurants, guess you don't much care for ankle biters........ say, why don't you have them banned.

128 posted on 09/17/2002 7:16:59 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: Gabz
Unfortunately , the BEST restaurants are NOT what are referred to as " Family " restaurants here . USA equivalent would be Roy Rogers or Howard Johnsons . No thanks !
130 posted on 09/17/2002 8:21:49 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: sushiman
No thanks !

So, in your perfect world, you can exercise choice and not frequent family restaurants; business owners, however, cannot exercise choice and accommodate smokers if they wish.

If only the smoking Nazis realized how repellent they are to adults.

131 posted on 09/18/2002 3:28:00 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Illbay
socialist pig
132 posted on 09/18/2002 3:43:39 AM PDT by thepitts
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To: Scorpio
They most certainly can and should restrict it on the grounds of being a public health danger. Just as asbestos, lead paint, and other hazards are banned - so too should smoking be banned in any area where someone can be adversely affected against their will.?

Did you read any of the links put up on this thread?
Second hand smoke HAS NOT been proven to be a health hazard except to people with pre-existing health conditions.

Because someone has asthma that means that everyone in the nation should have to accomodate them specifically?
If I had asthma and knew that walking into a business would cause an attack you can bet that I wouldn't be walking into that business.
At some point you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety.

133 posted on 09/18/2002 5:18:13 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Badray
"Did I mistype something? We are on the same side. I'm saying that the rights of the property are the most important. The government
has no business butting in, if you'll excuse the pun."

You sir are exactly correct.
134 posted on 09/18/2002 6:07:27 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Madame Dufarge
I have no problem sharing restaurant space with smokers if they are in their own smoking section . Problem in Japan is that many privately owned shops ( versus corporate = " family " restaurants " ) are relatively small therefore cannot section off into smoking and non-smoking areas . Another thing is Japanese smokers have terrible manners , never asking if you mind if they smoke . They dump ashes all over the restaurant floor , and don't even try to avoid blowing smoke in your direction . If I want smoked fish I'll ORDER smoked fish ! I don't want somebody filthy tobacco smoke all over my fresh sashimi or sushi .
135 posted on 09/18/2002 7:25:34 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: sushiman
Well, it seems to me that the small restaurant owners are perfectly happy with their customer base just the way it is.

And since they assumed the risk and expense of owning and operating the business, it's their call to make.

Why don't you open a non-smoking establishment or seek out others willing to spend their time and risk their money to do so?

If there's a market for it, it'll succeed. If not, it won't.

136 posted on 09/18/2002 11:50:11 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: All
Here's the link to the Newsday story. There's a poll that needs Freeping.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lismok172928509sep17.story?coll=ny%2Dhomepage%2Dmore%2Dbreaking%2Dnews


Regards,
137 posted on 09/18/2002 1:01:24 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: VermiciousKnid; SheLion
Thanks for the link, VermiciousKnid.

SheLion, the poll linked above needs some serious FReepin'!

138 posted on 09/18/2002 5:01:56 PM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: KS Flyover
I found out a few hours ago that it had a poll. When I took it, it was 63% Yes and 36% no. :(

I hope that we have been able to even the odds some.

139 posted on 09/18/2002 5:58:59 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: KS Flyover
My pleasure, KS. You know, a very similar poll was in Newsday just last week (or maybe 2 weeks ago), and THAT poll was worded something like this: "Do you think there should be more restrictions on smoking in bars, restaurants and pool halls?"

Well, THAT poll showed over 10,000 votes on the "NO" side, representing a full 96% against the measures.

What I find interesting is that in less than two weeks, Newsday has decided to run such a similar poll, only this time it reads, "Should smoking be banned in all workplaces?"

You know what I think? I think they didn't like that WHOPPING 96% "no" vote, and changed the wording to make people believe they were talking about offices and the like (where business owners should STILL be able to decide for themselves, BTW).

Now, perhaps I am a cynic, but I come by it honestly. Living in close proximity to so many socialists and RINOs will do that to ya.

Regards,

140 posted on 09/18/2002 8:47:49 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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