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To: Polycarp
Urban legend, my foot. Almost all the people I grew up with that came out of the closet were considered "sissies" or "fags" by our peer group before we went to our first school dance. There is some sort of genetic compenent to being gay. That gay lisp is something that a straight man could never recreate.
4 posted on 07/29/2002 12:27:33 PM PDT by toupsie
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To: toupsie
That gay lisp is something that a straight man could never recreate.

I see you've never been on a construction site when gays were being mocked by heterosexuals. Its easy to recreate because it is an affectation, not a genetic disorder.

I know men who left the gay lifestyle whose affectations vanished with their homosexuality.

I also know men who are by all outward appearances quite effeminate yet have 6 kids and solid marriages and no homosexual inclination whatsoever.

So effeminate is not = homosexual.

It might not exactly be a "choice" but neither is homosexuality in any way genetic.

7 posted on 07/29/2002 12:34:32 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: toupsie
Howdy

Believe as you wish to believe, just be aware that there is not the faintest shred of scientific basis for the "born gay" myth.

There are billions of public dollars and tremendous political power resting on the public misperception regarding the origins of sexual deviancy, and therein lies the reason for this departure from reason.

Oh, for those halcyon days of ethics in science, nowadays most public policy and opinion based on "science" is merely junk science fashioned to serve political purposes.

10 posted on 07/29/2002 12:43:52 PM PDT by MoscowMike
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To: toupsie
That gay lisp is something that a straight man could never recreate

You thilly butt.

13 posted on 07/29/2002 12:52:28 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: toupsie
Hahahahah are you decieved.
18 posted on 07/29/2002 1:01:52 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: toupsie
There is some sort of genetic compenent to being gay. That gay lisp is something that a straight man could never recreate.

Not necesarilly. It appears that high levels of some sex hormones in the mother can lead to the effects you mention.

I can't source it, but I recall reading that high levels of male sex hormone in the weeks before birth can lead to your basic butchy lesbian. Some other chemicals can lead to the effiminate male.

Again, not a genetic disorder, but more like a birth defect.

32 posted on 07/29/2002 1:15:02 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: toupsie
are you sure? lisping is a learned behavior like ballroom dancing. But it is not shared by all gay men, nor is the love of theater, Judy Garland records or an affinity for interior decoration. These trademarks are consciously or unconsciously acquired by some much like bikers will sport similar tattos. And many gay men do not have any of these affectations like john wayne and rock hudson.
48 posted on 07/29/2002 1:51:07 PM PDT by ffusco
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To: toupsie
Urban legend, my foot. Almost all the people I grew up with that came out of the closet were considered "sissies" or "fags" by our peer group before we went to our first school dance. There is some sort of genetic compenent to being gay. That gay lisp is something that a straight man could never recreate.

Perhaps you're right. I've noticed that most gay kids from our school tended to use Macs over PCs...
69 posted on 07/29/2002 2:29:36 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: toupsie
I happen to agree with you. I don't believe all gays are 'born gay, but I think many are . Notice....
Dr. Gregory Dickson, whose doctoral thesis is on the relationship between a mother and son in the development of homosexuality, found that 49% of the homosexuals he surveyed said they had been molested, compared to less than 2% of heterosexuals.

That leaves 51% that don't fit his pattern.

There are many gays that have physical characteristics that can't be explained by learned behavior.

75 posted on 07/29/2002 2:47:51 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: toupsie
Here I think is where things get interesting.....

If there is a "gay gene" and it can be identified then women (couples) will be able to learn in utero the future proclivities of their unborn child. If they decide that they do not want a gay child they can then exercise their "right to choose" and abort. (This is NOT an endorsement of abortion...it is a statement based on current legal reality). Within a generation the numbers of gays in America would drop significantly...putting them on the endangerd species list.

How long do you think it would take for the gay-left to declare this sort of abortion as discriminatory...and therefore illegal? The left would be painted into a beautiful lose/lose corner. If an unborn "gay" has rights that we must protect then the whole argument for the woman's "right" to chose, that is that the unborn are not people yet, collapses. Where do the NOW people put themselves? How does the next Dem Senatorial or Presidential candidate keep them both happy?

The beast will devour itself.

84 posted on 07/29/2002 3:03:24 PM PDT by wtc911
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To: toupsie
I don't know. I've seen lots of straight comedians do the gay lisp. They do it better. Craig Shoemaker's Lovemaster act for one.
101 posted on 07/29/2002 3:40:59 PM PDT by Undivided Heart
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To: toupsie
That gay lisp is something that a straight man could never recreate.

Years ago, when I was stupid and immature, I used to listen to Howard Stern. I distinctly remember hearing him interview Richard Simmons and trying to get him to talk in a normal voice. Simmons refused for about 10 minutes and then all of the sudden, started talking in a normal man's voice for several minutes. And it was not put-on at all.

I remember thinking... "Wow, so all that gay crap is an act after all." That was my first inkling that ALL the gay crap might be an act. And the more individuals with SSAD I came into contact with, the more convinced I got.
134 posted on 07/29/2002 5:42:38 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: toupsie
Toupsie you are so right. I knew my beloved nephew was going to be gay when he grew by the time he was 4 years old.
184 posted on 07/30/2002 4:31:34 AM PDT by not-an-ostrich
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To: toupsie
Just because the die was cast emotionally doesn't mean that it had been genetically.

If they were considered 'sissies', then how much chance did they have dating? We're they affirmed by the other guys in their manhood? How did you treat them, for example?

Men need affirmation and if their Dad's tagged em as sissies for example then it'll either force to try superhard to please their Dad or they'll just give up (a self-fullfilling prophecy). That's just an example.

On the whole I'd bet that they intellectually had given up on having 'normal' relations and when folks are craving love and affection (as every human does), then they WILL get their needs met one way or another.

They just chose an inappropriate method to get that 'love need' met. And yes, those who visit prostitutes or have illicit relationships are choosing inappropriate methods do too. Big time.

Don't think God descriminates against folks doing homosexual acts only. From what I've learned, He hates all sin (lying, murder, selfishness, etc.... it's a fair size list and one we are all acquainted with).

So please save your speech calling all of those who believe in an absolute almighty and HOLY God as 'homophobes' and Nazis. etc.

Personally I think what was posted on their website about debunking that is probably dead-on, however it's not gonna make that much of a difference. I completely understand with trying to combat what society considers 'a given' and if the facts really got out there, then they'd view homosexuality much different.

Regrettably, mankind is a rebel and at a human's core is the desire to do 'what we want' and not to submit to God's ways. And consequently when an issue comes along that deals with folks living hedonistically and sinning against an almighty God... well unfortunately our culture as it stands today ain't gonna have much trouble making up their mind. Folks don't want to be told what to do.

It's gonna take changing the hearts and minds of folks one at a time and over a massive scale. And who knows how many folks will fall for the lies and fall into that 'gay' world in the mean time. What a tragedy.

212 posted on 07/30/2002 3:45:28 PM PDT by blue jeans
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