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BUSH PROPOSES LARGEST EXPANSION OF GOVERNMENT SINCE TRUMAN
CNN ^ | 6/6/2002 | President

Posted on 06/06/2002 5:17:43 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye

I am watching President Bush giving a speech on CNN telling us he is expanding federal government more than any Democrat since Truman.


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KEYWORDS: bush; defense; expansion; homeland
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To: PoppingSmoke
So instead of consolidating similar agencies that coudl have a bearing into one department, you think a simpler solution is to put the entire gov't under military control.

I will certaintly give that some thought.

There is no end to what I might learn from the Bush haters if I only listen.

501 posted on 06/06/2002 9:38:06 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: AlGone2001
"Ask Saddam Hussein what he thinks of the US Air Force."

Silly me and I thought the zoomers were only part of that action. Did you forget the US Navy who flew more sorties that the Air Force? Lets not forget the US Army including its armor units, SOF Units, the British RAF and SAS. Ask anyone who has ever called in a CAS Mission. Do they perfer the Navy or the Air Force?

503 posted on 06/06/2002 9:39:55 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: VRWC_minion
But when it does it will be Bush's fault right ?

Why is it that finding fault and placing blame are the two things that get the most response? The "blame-Bush crowd" on offense vs. the "Bush-bots" on defense. Didn't this forum have some actual intellectual content discussions once upon a time? IF you think Global Warming might happen, tell us WHY, and then discuss why it might get blamed on Bush (appropriately or not). Asserting someone else's potential thoughts on the matter is hardly proper debate material.

Rush Limbaugh always pooh-pooh'ed those who said his show would suffer without Clinton in the White house... maybe FR is the conservative outlet that can't handle the fact that we don't have a corrupt Democrat in office. I think it's healthy that we have the pro and con discussions about the president, especially since he is from the Right. Unfortunately, instead of keeping it constructive, topical, and substantive, we're deteriorating into something less... not quite the "only-one-opinion-allowed" type of board like DU, but certainly below FR's usual standards.

504 posted on 06/06/2002 9:40:29 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: stillbornagain
That's Kosovo, right? Please. What does this have to do with Afghanistan? What does this have to do with 9/11? what does this have to do with HS?

Be original and post your own thoughts. I'm not doing your research. If you have a point-make it. You and me. Show us what YOU know. Don't let others do all of your research.

505 posted on 06/06/2002 9:42:26 PM PDT by AlGone2001
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To: First_Salute
What is required, is an Executive who will use the authority of Commander in Chief to straighten out any mess within the existing war department ... instead of foresaking his responsibilities in lieu of a fear to address the matters directly through vicarious, or purpose of, evasions.

So virtually every company large and small needs to reorganize its structures over time to meet new challanges but you maintain that in the case of government such principals of would not be applicable. Interesting. Why would proven management strategies that work for private organizations as well as state and local governments not work for the federal sector ?

506 posted on 06/06/2002 9:42:36 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Fred Mertz
Actually, I lay much of the blame at the feet of eight years of Clinton, moron

But if he is in over his head you cannot possibly leave him blameless.

507 posted on 06/06/2002 9:44:16 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: PoppingSmoke
Silly me and I thought the zoomers were only part of that action. Did you forget the US Navy who flew more sorties that the Air Force?

No kidding. But that hardly supports your notion that the separation of the Air Force from the Army was a "debatable" idea, does it?

508 posted on 06/06/2002 9:44:20 PM PDT by AlGone2001
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To: stillbornagain
We are simulataneously supporting terrorism while waging a war on it.

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

Am I also advocating divorce while remaining faithful to my wife?

510 posted on 06/06/2002 9:46:40 PM PDT by AlGone2001
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To: VRWC_minion
But if he is in over his head you cannot possibly leave him blameless.

He's got fairly decent handlers, in case you haven't noticed.

511 posted on 06/06/2002 9:48:07 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Oh, yeah, did he send us Clinton also?

Actually, yes.

512 posted on 06/06/2002 9:48:14 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: stillbornagain
A house divided against itself will not stand, my friend.

Please... tell me why you feel it necessary to qoute the Lord here? Where exaclty is the division?

Is there dvision simply because I disagree with you? That's hardly placing Jesus in context.

513 posted on 06/06/2002 9:48:42 PM PDT by AlGone2001
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To: VRWC_minion
"So instead of consolidating similar agencies that coudl have a bearing into one department, you think a simpler solution is to put the entire gov't under military control. I will certaintly give that some thought.

There is no end to what I might learn from the Bush haters if I only listen."

No I think that that consolidating agencies is a waste of time and money. I think fixing the problem is directly related to intelligence gathering, especially human intelligence. I think stopping stove piping between the agencies will go much further than consolidating. I think revamping the way things are done within the agencies will goes much further than consolidating. We can act if we have the right analysis, the right intelligence. We do not need another NEW agency that will go no where real fast.

I think that if we revamped the Central Intelligence Agesncy who by law is suppose to be the central gathering point and fixing the FBI using common sense internally will solve more problems than creating a new agency of 170,000 employees.

514 posted on 06/06/2002 9:50:01 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: stillbornagain
I fear for my nation and my fellow citizens.

Does that make you different from either me or President Bush?

515 posted on 06/06/2002 9:50:22 PM PDT by AlGone2001
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To: Teacher317
Didn't this forum have some actual intellectual content discussions once upon a time?

No, not in the four years I have been here.

516 posted on 06/06/2002 9:50:44 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Fred Mertz
He's got fairly decent handlers, in case you haven't noticed

If he surrounds himself with "fairly decent handlers" then how can he be in over his head ?

You hold contradicting posistions.

517 posted on 06/06/2002 9:52:54 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Well what about the Presidents Dad? Who sent him?
518 posted on 06/06/2002 9:53:55 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: AlGone2001
"No kidding. But that hardly supports your notion that the separation of the Air Force from the Army was a "debatable" idea, does it?"

This is a debate for another thread. But I will say the Army Air Corp did pretty dang well during WWII! But when politics enters the military anything can happen, including the USAF.

519 posted on 06/06/2002 9:54:10 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: PoppingSmoke
No I think that that consolidating agencies is a waste of time and money. I think fixing the problem is directly related to intelligence gathering, especially human intelligence. I think stopping stove piping between the agencies will go much further than consolidating. I think revamping the way things are done within the agencies will goes much further than consolidating. We can act if we have the right analysis, the right intelligence. We do not need another NEW agency that will go no where real fast.

I would assume your view has been given a lot of thought by "Bush's handlers" and was rejected. I would further sssume such questions will be raised by congress.

But I still don't get the part where we out everything under the military.

520 posted on 06/06/2002 9:55:46 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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