[JohnHuang2]

Tuesday, June 4, 2002

Quote of the Day by vladog

[goldstategop]

The Administration can try to defend its flip flop all it wants. What it has shown its friends and enemies alike however, is that it can't be depended to take a position and stick to it.

[oldvike]

This makes no sense. Yesterday the Bushbots were telling us all that the administration never conceded that global warming was caused by humans and now we have an article where the administration is defending the very thing that the Bushbots said did not happen. Very confusing.

[buaya]

Being the cynic and misanthrope that I am, I can only conclude that Dubya's business buddies have begun to appreciate the enormous profit potential that global warming presents.

Whereas the Algore democrats wanted us all to get by with less (ie, lower our standard of living), the pro-business republicans realize that they can make a killing by replacing all of the older, dirty, electric power plants with brand-new, clean, efficient, new ones. I vaguely remember reading about an Enron internal memo which explored this very scenario.

And imagine if the gov't mandates that all motor vehicles on the road today be replaced with new electric/gas hybrids within the next five years. Detroit will be in hog-heaven.

Those invested in certain industries will make a killing. Lots of middle class folks who are employed by these industries will also benefit. Unfortunately, the rest of us will pick up the tab for this latest gov't "full employment act." But then again, I'm a cynic.

[VRWC_minion]

Posted by VRWC_minion to Pokey78
On News/Activism ^ Jun 4 10:25 AM #112 of 116 ^

Sorry folks. Like it or not we lost the debate regarding whether global warming exists. The average person believes it to be so.

The problem with the existing terms of debate for both conservatives and liberals is we always missed the logical fallacy that the environuts were passing off. Namely that the Globe is warming THEREFORE we must sign Kyoto treaty.

Bush's approach on this put the debate against signing the treaty on much better footing that the old construct. It basically says OK so if global warming is caused by the minor amounts of man's actions what possible changes can man make (given that we have hundred years of carbon release) that would reverse the trend ? Its impossible to prove even with logical fallacies that anything will reverse the trend short of a complete ban on all releases.

But we must do something cry the environuts. Yes, Bush says we will study on how best to adapt to the coming changes. And oh yes, we conservatives will need to employ you scientists who have formerly worked for the environuts to come up with recommendations as to how best to adapt.

Bush has accepted that we lost the first argument but has retreated to a firmer place and at the same time has opened the opportunity to hire away the paid scientific shills.

[VRWC_minion]

For what its worth department. Which republican president signed the treaty to eliminate ozone depleting chemicals ?

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Yes, folks Ronald Reagan. Shocking.

[WhiteyAppleseed]

Two hundred years ago, the founding fathers intended a separation of Church and State; James Madison wrote, “religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.”

Today, subjective science is used to accomplish the task that the misuse of religion would accomplish if not for the First Amendment.

If Madison were around today he would be saying, "Science and government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together." We need an amendment to separate Science and State. We need it yesterday.