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White House defends U-turn on global warming
Washington Times ^ | Tuesday, June 4, 2002 | By George Archibald

Posted on 06/03/2002 10:31:36 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:54:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The White House yesterday defended the about-face on global warming contained in its report to the United Nations on climate change.

The report marked the first Bush administration agreement with environmental activists that recent global warming is caused by heat-trapping greenhouse gases in the atmosphere from human use of fossil fuels.


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KEYWORDS: enviralists; globalwarminghoax
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To: buaya
Whereas the Algore democrats wanted us all to get by with less (ie, lower our standard of living), the pro-business republicans realize that they can make a killing by replacing all of the older, dirty, electric power plants with brand-new, clean, efficient, new ones. I vaguely remember reading about an Enron internal memo which explored this very scenario

And don't forget the adaptations like building dikes around low lying area of Florida. But this is not only good business, it is far less costly to adapt then to kill our economy by not burning fossil fuels. See The skeptical environmentalist for data, fears of flooding are greatly exagerated, because preventing the floods is about 100 times cheaper than allowing the floods and taking the flood losses.

21 posted on 06/04/2002 8:30:59 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: KC_for_Freedom
"But this is not only good business, it is far less costly to adapt then to kill our economy by not burning fossil fuels."

True. Nevertheless, I'm concerned about some in the bizness community who seek to harness the coercive powers of government to secure a captive market.

There is a myth that bizness people love the free market and thrive on competion. Nonsense. The vast majority of biznessmen abhor a free market, and will do anything to thwart it. And big gov't is one of their most important allies in achieving this objective.

When big gov't and big bizness get together - look out!

22 posted on 06/04/2002 8:43:05 AM PDT by buaya
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To: VRWC_minion
"The problem with the existing terms of debate for both conservatives and liberals is we always missed the logical fallacy that the environuts were passing off. Namely that the Globe is warming THEREFORE we must sign Kyoto treaty."

Yes, this is a very politicized issue, and we can largely blame the enviro-wackos for that. Nevertheless, lots of conservatives have painted themselves into a corner by insisting that there is no global warming at all.

Global warming will not be all bad, but it will change our world. For example, it is possible that the fabled "Northwest Passage" thru the Artic Sea may be open for year-around traffic within 10-20 years. If this happens, it will definitely change world trade patterns - North Asia (Japan, Korea, China) will have a new shortcut to the markets in West Europe, and vice versa. This will probably be a boon for Asia. For the US, the implications are much less clear.

23 posted on 06/04/2002 8:50:58 AM PDT by buaya
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To: buaya
The vast majority of biznessmen abhor a free market, and will do anything to thwart it. And big gov't is one of their most important allies in achieving this objective.

I will second this comment, the easiest way to wealth in this country is to get an invention and then get the government to require the people to use it. Of course, the market is still the best system we have, even though the above comments are true. You see, there is no reasonable alternative.

24 posted on 06/04/2002 7:05:06 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: dts32041
Now if it came out in favor of the use of Nuclear power plants for cutting down green house gases, might actually start to believe the current occupant of the white house.

Is that a promise? OK, go here. Look for these very words:


25 posted on 06/04/2002 7:14:30 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: Elsie
Actually, I was refering to biological predators, but the metaphor works in the human economy as well.

Seems the Monopoly Board there in Indy is going to have a few more Mediterranean Avenues. Nothing like keeping city wide rents artificially high using taxpayer dollars, is there.... You keep paying and paying, unless you are the landlord cashing in.

Like the poor homeless of Silicon Valley with quarter million household incomes....

Right up there with paying to see sporting events in a stadium your tax dollars built.

Glad I live here, where $80,000 buys a really nice place.

26 posted on 06/04/2002 11:55:08 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: buaya
And imagine if the gov't mandates that all motor vehicles on the road today be replaced with new electric/gas hybrids within the next five years. Detroit will be in hog-heaven.

...and Washington would be in the crapper. Folks from the hinterlands would take their old car for one last drive..... To D.C., and park it, walk away and not look back. A few million of those and some folks would be looking for new jobs.

27 posted on 06/05/2002 12:00:01 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: JohnHuang2
Two hundred years ago, the founding fathers intended a separation of Church and State; James Madison wrote, “religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.”

Today, subjective science is used to accomplish the task that the misuse of religion would accomplish if not for the First Amendment.

If Madison were around today he would be saying, "Science and government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together." We need an amendment to separate Science and State. We need it yesterday.

28 posted on 06/05/2002 3:41:36 AM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed
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To: Smokin' Joe
Right up there with paying to see sporting events in a stadium your tax dollars built.

Now you REALLY want to get me going! Our ADDED 1% prepared food (think restaurant) tax, to fund the stadium, is LONG overdue to be ended. But WILL they??? Noooo....... And now, after an extensive upgrade just a few years ago, the COLTS (Irsay) wants a BIGGER place to play! Well, goodbye, a lot of us have said!


Glad I live here, where $80,000 buys a really nice place.

And just WHERE is that? (Did I miss it?)

29 posted on 06/05/2002 6:22:20 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Smokin' Joe
Glad I live here, where $80,000 buys a really nice place.

Wow. Where do you live, if you don't mind my asking?

30 posted on 06/05/2002 6:29:26 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: Elsie
LOL. I see great minds think alike.
31 posted on 06/05/2002 6:30:46 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: truthkeeper
We HAD to ask, didn't we!
Location: Williston, North Dakota

(No WONDER he's SMOKIN')

32 posted on 06/05/2002 3:17:10 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Askel5
I think there is something to global warming

What he meant was: There is something political rather than scientific to global warming.

33 posted on 06/05/2002 3:22:13 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: dts32041

Whoops...... June 11, 2001

And at home, I call on Congress to work with my administration on the initiatives to enhance conservation and energy efficiency outlined in my energy plan, to implement the increased use of renewables, natural gas and hydropower that are outlined in the plan, and to increase the generation of safe and clean nuclear power. [end snip]

34 posted on 06/05/2002 3:35:16 PM PDT by deport
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To: truthkeeper
Western North Dakota. Winter is hard (-30F common, I have been out in -148 wind chill, and vehicles are equipped with engine heaters so they will start)and long, (last snow last week,) but it is peaceful. Low crime, pro-gun. Ahhhh. Who needs warm weather?
35 posted on 06/05/2002 9:56:40 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: Smokin' Joe
I got TWO words for Global Warming.....

Nuclear Winter


Anyone remember THIS doomsday scene from a few years back?

If things get too hot, we'll just egg Pakistan and India on a bit..............

36 posted on 06/06/2002 1:13:24 PM PDT by Elsie
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