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Smokers to butt out amid fear of lawsuits
Sydney Morning Herald Online ^ | May 3 2002 | Freya Petersen

Posted on 05/02/2002 10:52:12 AM PDT by Just another Joe

Smokers to butt out amid fear of lawsuits
By Freya Petersen
May 3 2002

Anti-tobacco lobbyists have warned that the closest Australia may come to Norway's pledge to ban smoking in restaurants, bars, nightclubs, hotels and cafes is stricter policies by proprietors fearful of litigation.

Norway announced its nationwide ban on Tuesday, saying it could be made law as early as 2004. The move is largely a response to the country's high death rate among passive smokers, 500 people a year out of a population of 4.5 million.

Norway already has one of the strictest anti-smoking laws, and its policies are likely to be copied by most European countries.

The head of the Australian Council on Smoking and Health, Ron Edwards, said that while most Australian state and territory governments had moved to ban smoking in enclosed public places, a recent spate of successful law suits against employers and big tobacco firms would provide more incentive for a total ban.

He said cases such as that of Marlene Sharp, a Port Kembla bar worker who was awarded $466,000 by a jury last year for injuries caused by passive smoking, showed publicans and restaurant owners there was a risk of being sued.


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Norway announced its nationwide ban on Tuesday, saying it could be made law as early as 2004. The move is largely a response to the country's high death rate among passive smokers, 500 people a year out of a population of 4.5 million.

Norway already has one of the strictest anti-smoking laws, and its policies are likely to be copied by most European countries.

I thought it was worth posting for this nugget only.
Norway has one of the strictest anti-smoking laws but the deaths from "passive smoking" are higher than normal?

1 posted on 05/02/2002 10:52:12 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: kcrack
I guess it depends on WHAT you want to smoke. ;^)
3 posted on 05/02/2002 11:04:28 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: kcrack
wise guy ha

They say that wisdom comes with age but sometimes age comes alone.
In my case wisdom made the date but has stood me up so far. heh heh

5 posted on 05/02/2002 11:12:50 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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has one of the strictest anti-smoking laws but the deaths from "passive smoking" are higher than normal?

This is such a crock! I have worked in cancer clinical trials and cancer data. I want these people to tell us how they came to the conclusion that these deaths were caused by "passive smoking" as opposed to other genetic, environmental, occupational hazards or random occurrences

6 posted on 05/02/2002 11:15:24 AM PDT by scholar
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...high death rate among passive smokers...

Ok... This is just nonsense. A passive smoker is a non-smoker. Can they attribute these numbers to actual contact with a smoker? Or were these people hit by a bus when they were fleeing the guy that just lit up?

7 posted on 05/02/2002 11:20:03 AM PDT by SpottedBeaver
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To: scholar
I want these people to tell us how they came to the conclusion that these deaths were caused by "passive smoking" as opposed to other genetic, environmental, occupational hazards or random occurrences.

Would be nice, huh?
Maybe they do like the US antis do and figure that if you've EVER been exposed to "passive smoking" and then you die, it MUST have been a "passive smoking" death.

8 posted on 05/02/2002 11:21:56 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: SpottedBeaver
Or were these people hit by a bus when they were fleeing the guy that just lit up?

BWAHAHAHA

9 posted on 05/02/2002 11:22:34 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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500 out of 4.5 million? Even if true, which I doubt, aren't there other causes of death that deserve more attention?
10 posted on 05/02/2002 12:36:31 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Just another Joe
Would be nice, huh?

Until these Nazis give us some empirical evidence I won't believe a thing they say.

On a similar note, my bronchial tubes slam shut whenever I get around someone who has bathed in their cologne--I haven't been able to wear perfume for years. I guess I should start a movement to outlaw all colognes, perfumes and after shave lotions, eh?

11 posted on 05/02/2002 12:36:59 PM PDT by scholar
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I haven't been able to wear perfume for years. I guess I should start a movement to outlaw all colognes, perfumes and after shave lotions, eh?

We thought about that but then we realized that the politicians have to cover their stink somehow so would never let this movement out of the womb stage.

12 posted on 05/02/2002 12:50:03 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: robertpaulsen
aren't there other causes of death that deserve more attention?

Yes there are. However, they wouldn't give the antis near as much satisfaction as demeaning a smoker.

13 posted on 05/02/2002 12:51:06 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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I doubt very much if medical science is sufficiently advanced to determine that 500 deaths in a population of 4.5 million result from passive smoking.
14 posted on 05/02/2002 12:58:39 PM PDT by mikeIII
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To: mikeIII
Ah, statistics. Wonderfull things.
You can make them say ALMOST anything you want.
15 posted on 05/02/2002 1:13:24 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Puff_List
Puff
16 posted on 05/02/2002 2:25:15 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: mikeIII;Just another Joe
500 deaths in a population of 4.5 million result from passive smoking.

Maybe you guys can do the math. Cancer and other disease deaths are measured in X deaths per 100,000 of the population. These numbers don't sound like squat to me. And if the other factors I mentioned previously aren't factored into the study it is absolutely meaningless.

And as for statistics you are exactly right. Even the most honest investigator can miss factors that will skew the results. And guess what, there an awful lot of investigators who only want to prove their point. But then you knew that right!!

BTW Joe, thanks for the laugh--I almost lost my Pepsi.

17 posted on 05/02/2002 2:32:32 PM PDT by scholar
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To: scholar
This is such a crock! I have worked in cancer clinical trials and cancer data. I want these people to tell us how they came to the conclusion that these deaths were caused by "passive smoking" as opposed to other genetic, environmental, occupational hazards or random occurrences

Thank you - this needs repeating.

18 posted on 05/02/2002 3:25:21 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: SpottedBeaver
Or were these people hit by a bus when they were fleeing the guy that just lit up?

Even if that were the case, it would still be a death attributed to exposure to someone else's smoke. That is about the only way I can figure they come up with some of this stuff.

19 posted on 05/02/2002 3:35:08 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Just another Joe
#1....... That says something doesn't it, I wonder how they proved those deaths to be from passive smoking.
20 posted on 05/02/2002 4:29:57 PM PDT by Great Dane
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