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Dobson to Californians: Quit public schools
World Net Daily ^ | 3/30/02 | Unknown

Posted on 04/09/2002 11:44:27 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

Dobson to Californians: Quit public schools Family advocate says 'I think it's time to get our kids out'

Posted: March 30, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

Leading family advocate James Dobson has urged California parents to leave the state's government school system.

"In the state of California, if I had a child there, I wouldn't put the youngster in a public school," the president of Focus on the Family said in his daily radio broadcast Thursday.

"I think it's time to get our kids out," Dobson said. "And I'm going to get hit for (saying) that."

A lobby group called the Alliance for the Separation of School & State said Dobson's "comments on the state of public schooling may mark a key turning point in the critical education discussion."

Dobson has more than 5 million listeners in the U.S. and is heard in another 100 countries.

"For years, James Dobson has supported three options for Christians: public schools, Christian schools and home schooling," alliance president Marshall Fritz said in a statement. "With (Thursday's) courageous and insightful statement, Dr. Dobson joins the millions of Americans who have concluded that many public schools are no place to train new generations of Americans."

Fritz's group has an online "Public Proclamation for the Separation of School and State" that has garnered more than 15,000 signatures. The petition calls for the end of government involvement in education.

He notes endorsement of the concept by religious leaders such as D. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Ministries in Florida; T.C. Pinckney, recently elected second vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention; Tim LaHaye, author of the popular "Left Behind" series of novels; and Rabbi Daniel Lapin of Toward Tradition.

In a speech at the National Religious Broadcasters convention in February, Dobson noted that the California legislature has mandated the teaching of "homosexual propaganda" in the state's public schools.

"They're teaching them that bisexuality is normal and that homosexuality and heterosexuality are morally equivalent," Dobson said.

On its website, however, Focus on the Family maintains there is still hope for public schools in general.

An article titled "Rebuilding Hope for Public Schools" states: "Schools still face formidable foes: postmodern secular teaching and liberal agendas, policies that need to change, overly large classes, problems with discipline and the need for higher academic standards. But if ... we mix prayer with works, if parents are actively and prayerfully involved in their children's education, the evidence shows that public schools can change."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: academialist; california; educationnews; homeschooling; homeschoollist; homosexualagenda; publicschools; sasu
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Marshall Fritz bump.

He's been consistent!

The public schools are a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

23 posted on 04/09/2002 1:29:50 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: bright_paper_werewolves
does anyone have anything positive to say about Grayout Davis?

He made liberals look foolish when California was doing rolling blackouts.

24 posted on 04/09/2002 1:30:45 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
I think you're far too hard on Dobson. You sound like a Democrat practicing violation of the Tenth Commandment as a substitute for meaningful comment, I must say. I'd be happy to die having done half as much good as Dr. Dobson has done.

No, I'm not saying I agree with him at every point. I am saying that I like the way he's done good erringly far more than I like his critics who have an inerrant theory, and nothing to show for it.

Having said all that, I think his point was good, and I'm not as quick to condemn his counsel. He's always been supportive, as far as I know, of alternative education. But the 20th century was the history of the Christian church withdrawing from arena after arena, and the Hell that broke loose in the aftermath. Dobson was saying we should stand here, to influence the minds of kids. Good theory. Doable? I don't know, but worth the effort.

And now, in California, it probably is indeed time to shake the dust off our feet, do our own thing, and let them eat our dust.

Dan

25 posted on 04/09/2002 1:52:02 PM PDT by BibChr
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; Guenevere; madfly; toenail; Khepera; glockmeister40; Stand_Watch_Listen...
BCD:

This has indeed been a good development. Now if only the LeftCoasters would grow some yarbles on the race issues that confront Americans, of all colours!

There is one book that my friend Ray Moore carries with him to sell (at his cost) or give away whenever he speaks. It is crucial to this debate; and indeed to understanding the American experience (and predicament).

It is Samuel Blumenfeld's Is Public Education Necessary?

27 posted on 04/09/2002 3:01:21 PM PDT by one2many
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
BTW, I had NOT read thru the thread and your comments when I posted the above. You are correct in your assessment of Dobson. If for no other reason than to read the "mea culpas" of well-meaning twits like him you should read "Camp of the Saints" if you haven't yet.

Keep the skeer on 'em!

28 posted on 04/09/2002 3:09:16 PM PDT by one2many
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To: one2many
Three cheers for the extremists.
29 posted on 04/09/2002 3:16:01 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
My father was a counselor at Focus for 10 years or so. I never had the chance to meet Dr. Dobson but, everyone there in Colorado Springs that I did meet was really nice.

The building is gorgeous.

31 posted on 04/09/2002 3:35:58 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: bright_paper_werewolves
Out of curiosity, does anyone have anything positive to say about Grayout Davis?

During last year's power crisis (I'm still hoping for a very hot summer this year), he showed us the proper way to run a secret government when he negotiated the power contracts that we're currently stuck with.

-PJ

32 posted on 04/09/2002 3:40:43 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Doh! Dobson bump
33 posted on 04/09/2002 3:44:31 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Sorry, no cheers for Dobson from me. He and his fellows have been exhorting all of us to "work within the system" since I was a teenager. The system is absolutely rotten and has nothing whatsoever to do with the system designed by the framers of the Constitution. Those conservatives who were allowed access to the media and who were recognized as the "conservative voices" by the liberal elite have gulled an entire generation into wasting decades in a pointless campaign which can't be won.

Of course, it isn't all Dobson's fault, but he shares the blame with the rest of the conservative leadership who avoided plain talk and plainer action in the name of being "mainstream". Even with his call for Californians to get their kids out of that state's public schools, he's still saying that there's hope for government controlled public schools. He still doesn't get it.

35 posted on 04/09/2002 4:27:59 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Please don't Straw Man me.

I was making an observation independent of the post. I neither agreed nor disagreed with the post because I have always had reservations against Focus.

I’ve always been an approving skeptic of them though, and am very pleased that my father worked for Focus on the Family rather than, say, GLAD or some such other group.

36 posted on 04/09/2002 4:54:19 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
After putting three kids through the system... I can still hear the mantra of the school system.

"Be tolerant of everything, judgemental of nothing"

37 posted on 04/09/2002 5:16:24 PM PDT by checkessential
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To: Twodees
Given that you seem to think that any meaningful effort at change is doomed to fail, what IS your strategy for a return to Constitutional governance?
39 posted on 04/09/2002 5:25:05 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
#34....and all your other posts!

You know, I am really tired of your attitude!

You sit here pontificating about Dobson, and I suspect you don't know HALF of what this man is about or what he has done.

YES, he DID try to keep parents working within the system............Does it ever occur to you that ALL these public school children will be standing side to side with our private Christian school chilren in the marketplace.

Shouldn't there be those ....who choose to be....in the public schools who can be salt & light?

Dobson was very hesitant to abandon the public school arena.....EVEN THOUGH...he was always, always aware of what the public school represented.

My two children went through public school......and are strong Christians.

....but I was always volunteering & as I volunteered, I kept informed through sources like Dobson, and tried to effect change in the RIGHT direction whenever I could.

I have always heard/known that whatever happens in the California schools ALWAYS trickles down to the rest of the country.
I heard this from Dobson & I heard this from educators in my childrens schools.

Whatever fad was the experiment du jour in CA, would eventually be foisted upon Podunk County wherever!

I will thank-you to read/listen more (or any, as I suspect you haven't) to what James Dobson says & believes.

This man has been the vanguard for millions of parents through the years.........waging the fight for our schools, and the hearts of our children.

If he says California is a lost cause..........May God have mercy, because it indeed is a lost cause.

40 posted on 04/09/2002 5:31:54 PM PDT by Guenevere
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