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Now That Bush Has Sold Us Out... What are we going to do about it? (vanity)

Posted on 03/13/2002 2:47:41 PM PST by Michael2001

Well I'm mad and I'm angry, and maybe that's why I can't think of an appropriate response. While all of us were prasing him for how he was dealing with the war on terror, Bush passes this Amnesty Bill, something that not even the sneaky Bill Clinton would do. This is one of the worse Bills to pass through Congress, it will hurt us in many ways, and ten years from now we will still be feeling it's effects.

Bush has, without a doubt in my mind, sold us out for the Hispanic vote. He sold us out because he can take our vote for granted (who will we vote for Al Gore?). Is he wrong? What do we do when the Republicans stop looking out for our interests? Is it time for a new party, or do we work within the party and try to root out the Republicans In Name Only (of which there are many)?


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To: Merdoug
Latin American and Mexico have literally invaded the USA. Now, once they are given amnesty, they will invite over their extended families. If you think its bad now, just wait. If you live in the inner city, sell out and run for your life.
261 posted on 03/13/2002 4:37:19 PM PST by antidemocommie
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To: Jim Robinson
Ok. You've convinced me. Vote for Hillary.

Or stay with the incrementalism and arrive at the same destination eventually.

262 posted on 03/13/2002 4:37:25 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: stands2reason
You can do that---"send a message" and curse us with 4 years of Algore---but you will be banned from complaining about ANYTHING he does. Can you deal with that?

Why would he banned from complaining about anything Algore does? I voted for Bush and I feel I have the right to complain about his amnesty bill. (and yes, it IS an amnesty bill no matter how you try to sugarcoat it)

The only time someone should be "banned" from complaining (or, more correctly, should not be taken seriously when they DO complain) is if they did not bother to vote at all.

263 posted on 03/13/2002 4:37:38 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: Michael2001
I feel angry too Michael. This amnesty is a slap at the legal immigration into this country --- at the very legal system, acutally. The lesson is: if you break the law, do so in great numbers.

Even worse: the citizens who are natualized this way will never have deep resspect for our laws, for the fundations of this nation. It is like becoming a priest by stealing papers confirming that one is ordaned; like staring an honest life by lying. That does not work.

As for the other comment, I would prefer to work from within the party: starting a new party is harder than starting a business, and building up even the latter takes time. The party is what it stands for, not its name. Look what happened to Democrats: is this the part of even John Kennedy? Similarly, for Republicans: we've got to make it work and make it more inclusive.

P.S. Incidentally, I do not think Bush was so simplistic and did that to buy Spanish-speaking voters. There is a broader audience addressed here --- all those who sympathize with them.

264 posted on 03/13/2002 4:37:52 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: antidemocommie
What is your plan for correcting the problem?
265 posted on 03/13/2002 4:39:49 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Michael2001
I just read the first screen and just sorry I got into the thread this late.

Go to the Tancredo doubts he can block amnesty-extension bill thread. There are a lot of people (myself included) that feel the same way as you.

"Just say NO to amnesty"

266 posted on 03/13/2002 4:41:20 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Wait a minute. You've already convinced me to vote for Hillary. Now you want to say, "makes no difference?" You're losing me.
267 posted on 03/13/2002 4:41:50 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Addendum to my last post:

We should seriously begin fielding our own candidates. From Free Republic, that is.

I seriously considered a run for the House last year, probably the cheapest campaign in memory but some good people told me that the strategy was brilliant. In the end, I decided it wasn't the right time. Better to spend a bit more time in the real world, picking up whatever experience would be useful if God did want me there someday.

That said, I pray constantly that someone (or a bunch of someones) from FR would take up the challenge of running for office.

268 posted on 03/13/2002 4:43:12 PM PST by Darth Sidious
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To: Michael2001
"Now That Bush Has Sold Us Out... What are we going to do about it? (vanity)"

Learn to speak spanish, gringo!

270 posted on 03/13/2002 4:43:38 PM PST by fightu4it
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To: raisincane
Ditto that. We have to defeat the damn dems first. Otherwise, they'll ensure the leanings of Latinos will be to the left, as they have other ethnicities arriving in this country off balance, as all immigrants initially have. Demonize whites and the system and voila! Justification to accept freebies from the government, from those of us required to pay in to the system to make it work. It isn't only a Latin American quality to accept a free ride. It's human nature. And it's indoctrinated into people by our friendly Democrats for their nefarious (sarcasm) purposes. This is exactly why good parents require their children to make their own way in the world after a certain age (as birds require their young to fly and move on). Doing otherwise means they will perhaps forever remain dependent on others for their survival. Imagine if dems managed sway enough people. America would fall utterly in a few short decades, and even dems would be shocked at the consequence and their own fall from power.
271 posted on 03/13/2002 4:45:14 PM PST by fire and forget
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To: Constitutional_Republican
BTW, I like your screen name. ;o)
272 posted on 03/13/2002 4:50:27 PM PST by dixiechick2000
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To: grimalkin
I've read 245(i) in its entirety and it is not an "amnesty" bill.

Thank you! I, too, have read the bill in its entirety and it is indeed NOT an amnesty bill. It truly isn't.

273 posted on 03/13/2002 4:51:40 PM PST by rdb3
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To: Michael2001
I'm saying that Bush is better than any democrat could ever hope to be. It's either Bush or another clinton....to me there is no choice. I agree with Bush 95% of the time...I agree with democrats 0% of the time. Which is better...duh!
274 posted on 03/13/2002 4:51:59 PM PST by Jewels1091
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To: glc1173@aol.com
History proves that 245(i) is a boon for Asian grad students who overstay student visas and marry some dumb American - not for Mexican border-skippers lacking both the $1,000 fee and the dumb gringa wife.

I agree with the gist of what you wrote 10000%, but that last comment was over the top.

275 posted on 03/13/2002 4:54:32 PM PST by rdb3
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To: Charles Martel
I saw that news conference. Sounded good to me. Appears no one else on this thread heard it. Also looks to me like a Ross Perot thing, in the making. I hope we aren't that stupid, again. This Country can't handle 8 more years of Democrats.
276 posted on 03/13/2002 4:56:21 PM PST by Arizflash
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Maybe a swift kick in the head is what America really needs. Maybe things do need to get worse politically before things will get better. I agree with this guy, the fedgov is selling us out. We have been betrayed.

I couldn't agree more. The Clinton years were bad, though, considering the whole impeachment ordeal, his incompetent cabinet, Madeline Halfbright, Janet Reno, etc.

But I must say that, with the exception of Donald Rumsfeld, I am not at all impressed with Bush's cabinet....Colin "wear a condom" Powell and John "no racial profiling for potential terrorists" Ashcroft. The Bush administration has been a huge disappointment for me.....and because of this amnesty ordeal, I am inclined to say that the Bush administration isn't any better than the Clinton administration was.

I honestly believe that if President Bush wanted all the millions of illegals deported or was totally against this insane amnesty, almost every single Bush supporter on this great forum would agree with him.

Well, I was a Bush supporter, but no longer. I think you'll find many on FR that did vote and support him in 2000 no longer do support him thanks to this insane asylum he is wanting to give illegals.

In my opinion, something is very wrong with this picture.

Indeed. And those same people would all of a sudden be against this amnesty bill if Bush also had a sudden change of heart. Those are your tin-foil variety and I equate them with "sheeple".

277 posted on 03/13/2002 4:56:23 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Joe Hadenuf feigns that he's hadenuf

"We have been betrayed, and we are doomed!
Damn you, Bush!"

278 posted on 03/13/2002 4:57:04 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Jim Robinson
If Bush isn't going to put a blanket on amnesty-- what kind of cover is he planning to use?
279 posted on 03/13/2002 4:57:16 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: Michael2001
Here's an idea. Open the border. Give em absolutely counterfeit proof IDs linked to one mainframe computer and network. Make it impossible for them to get on any form of welfare.

Build even more factories in Mexico. Get filthy rich on the economic explosion that would result.

The three hundred million of us already here would have to work harder to help them become good Americans. It's kinda like the drug war. Can't win it. We should just go around it.

The culture of Mexico is irrelevant. The only reason immigrants weaken our nation is if they are able to get free money through income redistribution.

Stop the great fed tax ripoff and immigration from Mexico would not be a threat. We can absorb all the Mexicans who want to come here. I don't even think it will be more than around ten million or so.

Once the economy of Mexico comes up the influx will taper off. Most Mexicans I know are very homesick. They are only here for the money.

280 posted on 03/13/2002 4:57:21 PM PST by mercy
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