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Tancredo doubts he can block amnesty-extension bill
Denver Post ^ | March 8, 2002 | Bill McAllister

Posted on 03/08/2002 1:24:33 PM PST by sarcasm

Friday, March 08, 2002 - WASHINGTON - Rep. Tom Tancredo takes credit for thwarting the Bush administration's last effort to offer partial amnesty to thousands of illegal residents, but Thursday the outspoken immigration foe said he may have been outmaneuvered by the White House.

President Bush has struck a deal with the House leadership to place legislation that offers an extension of amnesty on its consent calendar before Bush heads to Mexico for a state visit next week, the Colorado Republican said.

That action should ensure quick House passage of legislation that Bush has repeatedly sought from Congress. It would allow an undocumented person to receive legal standing, such as a valid green card, by filing a declaration with the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

It presumably also would require the person to have been in the United States by a certain date and have filed a declaration with the INS from an appropriate sponsor, such as a relative or employer, and pay a $1,000 penalty.

"The terms are still up in the air," said Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation for American Immigration, a group that has been allied with Tancredo. "We've heard to the effect that the president wants something to bring down to Mexico."

The initial Bush proposal, designed exclusively for Mexicans, once was high on the president's legislative wish list, but it was delayed after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. However, as the president noted Wednesday in a speech to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, he now is pushing for the extension of the amnesty program known by the section of immigration law that covers it, Section 245I.

The president hailed it as a way to reunite family, separated by the border. "If you believe in family values, if you understand the worth of family and the importance of family, let's get 245I out of the United States Congress and give me a chance to sign it," Bush told the chamber members.

Tancredo, the head of a congressional caucus on immigration issues and proponent of halting virtually all immigration, said he had blocked a previous attempt by Bush to push an extension of the amnesty program through the House. But this time, he said House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., had agreed to place the issue on the suspension, or consent, calendar, making it difficult to defeat the proposal.

The Senate might be more favorable to the bill than the House, expanding the numbers of individuals who can apply, Tancredo said.


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To: 4ourprogeny
The same INS that's supposed to be keeping them out. Why not dismantle the INS while we're at it and just throw open our borders to all and sundry. I mean let's face it, the INS has NO incentive to eliminate illegal immigration if its going to get more federal revenue charging illegals to apply a declaration to get a green card in the bargain. Why the outstanding geniuses in Washington who came up with this hare-brained scheme have apparently thought of everything! One stop government shopping services for illegal aliens!!!
62 posted on 03/08/2002 2:53:45 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: Dane
I have always been of the closed border opinion regardless of what my partys line is. That's neat aint it? I can think for myself, don't need a party to point me in the "right" direction.

Also the open borders scheme touted by the LibTars would only take effect after the abolishment of welfare and all State sponsored assistance removing most of the incentive to immigrate in the first place.

EBUCK

63 posted on 03/08/2002 2:54:03 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; EBUCK
Maybe we wouldn't be so outraged if Bush said this is what he had planned for us during the campaign. Then at least we would know what to expect. But in fact, he said the opposite, that he was against illegal immigration, open borders, and amnesties. We were lied to once, it won't happen again, not by him.

Huh looks like you were mad that I left you off the "ping" list, IMHO. Anyway my response was directed at EBUCK who posts pro-drug messages from the Libertarians all the time and all of the sudden becomes more anti-immigrant than Pat Buchanan.

BTW, can you produce anything from the Bush campaign that reinforces your contnetions in reply #60?

64 posted on 03/08/2002 2:56:22 PM PST by Dane
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I can see how one day the Aztlan activists will see their goal of a Chicano only Southwest realized. I wonder if Bush understands that he is setting us up for a Palestinian type situation in a few years? Is his wife the one pushing this? And why can't these families reunite in Mexico?
65 posted on 03/08/2002 2:58:07 PM PST by willyone
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To: Sabertooth
"Mexican citizens can own real estate in America. But Americans can't own real estate in Mexico. That's a huge barrier to American investment south of the border."

It sure is!

66 posted on 03/08/2002 2:58:13 PM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Regulator
Oh sorry. That's only tinfoil hat stuff, right?

When it comes to Bush and immigration, there is no such thing as tinfoil hat stuff.

I wish tomorrow was election day so I could go to the polls and write in BILL CLINTON. Clinton only gave our secrets away for votes. Bush is giving America away for votes.

67 posted on 03/08/2002 2:58:42 PM PST by Brownie74
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To: MissAmericanPie
I'm a new poster here, though I've been lurking for a while.

Writing letters and preaching to the choir isn't going to get the results we want. The pols aren't listening to us anynmore. A well organized march on D.C. would show that we are serious about this issue and possibly create a groundswell of support that the sell-outs won't be able to ignore.

Count me in.

68 posted on 03/08/2002 2:59:11 PM PST by 7.63Broom
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To: Brownie74
I wish tomorrow was election day so I could go to the polls and write in BILL CLINTON. Clinton only gave our secrets away for votes. Bush is giving America away for votes.

Brownie thank you for showing your true self.

69 posted on 03/08/2002 3:00:00 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
I could care less whether you leave me off your ping list. By all means, please do.

He said on This Week when Fox was touting open borders he was against that, and he mentioned several times he did not support amnesty. I took him at his word.

70 posted on 03/08/2002 3:01:12 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
He said on This Week when Fox was touting open borders he was against that, and he mentioned several times he did not support amnesty. I took him at his word

Quote por favor?

71 posted on 03/08/2002 3:02:43 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
There you go missing the point as usual. I have always been of the position that until my taxes no longer go to fund these illegals the border should be closed up tighter than a frogs pooper. And again, there I go speaking my mind, not just repeating some mindless propo-drivel that was spoon fed to to me by the gov.

EBUCK

72 posted on 03/08/2002 3:03:44 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: Brownie74
Clinton was so preoccupied with his sex antics that there were ways to get around him. Although he and Gore did ram through visa for criminals in 1996. Both parties need to take a bath on this issue.
73 posted on 03/08/2002 3:05:27 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: EBUCK
There you go missing the point as usual. I have always been of the position that until my taxes no longer go to fund these illegals the border should be closed up tighter than a frogs pooper. And again, there I go speaking my mind, not just repeating some mindless propo-drivel that was spoon fed to to me by the gov

JMO, but that is one of the most schizophrenic responses that I have seen on FR.

74 posted on 03/08/2002 3:05:40 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
It was during the campaign, I didn't stick a vcr in and tape it. But I know what I heard, and so do a lot of other people.
75 posted on 03/08/2002 3:08:13 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Well at least your are truthful about what some people "heard". People with an one issue agenda and will pretzel what they "heard" into what they want to hear, IMHO.
76 posted on 03/08/2002 3:11:15 PM PST by Dane
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
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Contact: Steven A. Camarota
(202) 466-8185, sac@cis.org

 

New Zogby Poll on Amnesty
for Illegal Immigrants

Poll Examines Support Among Different Constituencies

 

WASHINGTON (September 4, 2001) — During their summit this week, presidents Vicente Fox and George W. Bush will be discussing a possible amnesty for illegal Mexican immigrants in the United States. The Center for Immigration Studies is releasing today the first poll that examines in detail how various segments of the population would view an amnesty.  Using neutral language, the Zogby International poll of likely voters also explores how supporting an amnesty might affect votes for President Bush and members of Congress in the future among different groups of constituents.

While overall the poll finds little support for an amnesty, it does show some significant differences among groups.  The strongest opposition is found among conservatives, moderates, and voters in union households.

* Consistent with other polls, the Zogby poll finds that the majority of Americans (55 percent) think that an amnesty is a bad or very bad idea compared to 34 percent who think it is a good or very good idea.

* The strongest opposition to amnesty can be found among conservatives, with 60 percent thinking it is a bad or very bad idea compared to 26 percent who think it is a good or very good idea. Perhaps most troubling for the president, almost one-third of all conservatives (32 percent) indicated that they would be less likely to vote for Bush if he supported an amnesty, while only 10 percent said they would be more likely to vote for him.

* Among Democrats, 55 percent said they thought an amnesty would be a bad idea and 36 percent thought it was a good idea. Some of the strongest opposition was found among voters in union households, a key Democratic consistency.  Sixty percent of voters in union households thought it was a bad idea compared to 32 percent who thought it was a good idea.  An amnesty splits the party’s liberal base right down the middle, with 46 percent of liberals thinking it was a good idea and 45 percent thinking it was a bad idea.

* An amnesty does not appear to be a way of winning Hispanic votes for either party, with 51 percent of respondents identifying it is a bad idea and 49 percent thinking it’s a good idea. When asked how it might affect their vote, twice as many Hispanics in the survey (33 percent) said they would be less likely to vote for Bush in 2004 if he supported an amnesty compared to 15 percent who said they would be more likely to vote for him.  The same basic pattern exists for Democratic candidates, with 36 percent of Hispanics saying they would be less likely to vote for a Democrat in Congress who supports an amnesty and 20 percent indicating they would be more likely to vote for a Democrat who supports amnesty.

* Those who oppose an amnesty seem to be much stronger in their opposition than are supporters in their support of an amnesty. While 20 percent of voters said that they thought it was a very bad idea, only 6 percent said it was a very good idea. Moreover, of those who said it was a bad or very bad idea, 51 percent said they would be less likely to vote for President Bush if he supported an amnesty. In contrast, of those who thought an amnesty was a good or very good idea, only 22 percent said they would be more likely to vote for Bush if he supported it. Very similar proportions exist when asked about Congressional Republicans and Democrats. 

* Not only does the president risk alienating his own conservative base, but he also risks alienating self-identified moderates, who are critical to his winning reelection in 2004.  Moderates thought an amnesty was a bad or very bad idea by a margin of 59 percent to 32 percent.  Moreover, 38 percent of moderates indicated that they would be less likely to vote for Bush if he supported an amnesty, compared to 8 percent who indicated that they would be more likely to vote for him if he supported an amnesty.

* Most troubling for Congressional Democratic supporters of an amnesty, 33 percent of voters in union households said they would be less likely to vote for Democrats who supported an amnesty, compared to only 14 percent who said they would be more likely.  Thus, an amnesty has the potential to drive a wedge between the Democratic Party and rank-and-file union voters.

Clearly, an amnesty for illegal immigrants would be only one issue among many considered by voters when deciding how to cast their ballots. By supporting an amnesty, Republicans may run the risk of having some of their conservative base sit home on election day and of alienating moderates, all without attracting significant Hispanic support. Democrats, too, may alienate moderates and also may reduce support among some union voters, who need to turn out in large numbers if Democrats are to regain the House of Representatives and White House.

Data Source
This nationwide poll of 1,020 likely voters was conducted by Zogby International from Saturday, August 25, to Wednesday, August 29, 2001. All telephone calls were made from Zogby International headquarters in Utica, N.Y. The margin of error is +/-3.2 percent. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.

Discussion   
Neutral question wording. The Zogby poll on which this analysis is based attempted to ask questions about an amnesty in as neutral a manner as possible.  The table in this press release contains the full wording of the questions used in the survey, as well as the results.  Purposefully, the question dealing with amnesty did not use a euphemism such as "regularization" nor did it make any mention of the fact that an amnesty would mean eventual citizenship, which is likely to elicit a more negative response. Moreover, the term "illegal immigrant" is used and not the more euphemistic "undocumented immigrant" or the more negative "illegal alien."  Finally, the amnesty question does not characterize illegal immigrants, as some surveys have done, in a positive way such as "tax-paying" or in a negative way such as "violating our laws."

The three questions dealing with how candidates’ support for an amnesty might affect votes are also asked in as straightforward a manner as possible.  Moreover, these questions specifically give respondents the option of saying that a candidate’s position on amnesty would have no effect on their vote.  By using neutral language and by not forcing those taking the survey to say that an amnesty would have an impact on their vote, this survey should provide a good deal of insight into voter preferences on this important issue.

Intensity of Opinion.  The fact that opponents of amnesty seem to feel more strongly in their opposition to amnesty than supporters do about their endorsement is one of the most important findings of this survey.  This greater intensity of feeling on the part of amnesty opponents means that it is not simply that most Americans are against it, but also that it might affect how they vote in 2002 and 2004.  Thus, supporting an amnesty seems only to hurt and not help the president or Democrats and Republicans in Congress who might support it.

The table shows that in every group examined here, a plurality indicate that they would be less likely to vote for a candidate who supports amnesty.  In contrast, very few voters indicate that they would be more likely to vote for the president if he supported amnesty and the same holds true for members of both parties in Congress.  This is also the case for those who think an amnesty is a bad idea. Whatever its merits as a matter of public policy, it seems that politicians who oppose amnesty are likely to derive much more political benefit from their opposition than are candidates who support it.

Union Members. The opposition among persons in union households is one of the most interesting and in some ways the most surprising findings, because most union leaders strongly support an amnesty and have been actively making the case for it to their members for over a year.  Yet, only a little over one-third (36 percent) of those in union households think an amnesty is a good idea.  This strongly suggests that union leaders have a long way to go before their members agree with them on this issue.

The fact that 60 percent of voters in union households oppose an amnesty and that 33 percent of all persons in union households said they would be less likely to vote for a Democrat who supports it should be a matter of some concern to Democrats.  It opens up the very real possibility that Republican congressional candidates who are opposed to amnesty could use the issue as a way to attract union members in much the same way that Ronald Reagan was able to get votes from union members who made up a significant share of the so-called "Reagan Democrats."

Hispanics.  The even division among Hispanic voters in the survey may come as a surprise to some because, of any segment of the population, Hispanics are often assumed to be overwhelmingly in favor of an amnesty.  It is generally assumed that one of the reasons President Bush may support an amnesty is that he hopes to attract Hispanic voters by doing so.  However, this survey provides no evidence that supporting an amnesty will help the president with Hispanic Americans.  If anything, it seems to hurt him.

Hispanics in the survey responded two-to-one that they would be less likely to vote for the president if he supports an amnesty (see table). These findings are consistent with other surveys that have tried to measure the opinion of Hispanics. A number of polls have found that Hispanics, like other Americans, are concerned about immigration and think that the current level is too high.  Thus, its not so unexpected that roughly half of all Hispanic voters think an amnesty is a bad idea and that many indicate they would be less willing to vote for a candidate who supports one.

It is also important to remember that the survey is confined to likely voters and that a very large share of Hispanic adults are not citizens.  Since they cannot vote, they are not included in this survey.  The opinions of non-citizen Hispanics, many of whom may benefit from an amnesty, could differ significantly from their citizen counterparts.  Of course, politically, it is votes that matter, which is why surveys of this kind are confined to likely voters.  Certainly no amnesty beneficiary would be able to get citizenship and vote in time for the 2004 election.  It should also be pointed out that it would be incorrect to say that Hispanic voters are against an amnesty — they are evenly divided. What does seem to be the case is that those Hispanic voters who oppose an amnesty feel much more strongly about their opposition than those who support it feel about their endorsement.  As a result, despite being evenly divided on the issue overall, more Hispanic voters indicate they would be less likely to vote for a candidate who supports amnesty.  None of this means that Republican efforts to attract Hispanic voters are misplaced.  Instead, these results simply suggest that supporting an amnesty is not the best way to attract Hispanic voters.

Moderates and Independents.  As already mentioned, self-identified moderates think an amnesty is a bad idea by a margin of 59 to 32 percent.  Also, between 38 and 43 percent said they would be less likely to vote for Bush or Democrats in Congress if they supported an amnesty, compared to between 5 and 8 percent who said that they would be more likely to vote for Bush if he supported amnesty.  Similar results exist among self-identified independents (see table).  This is significant politically because moderates and independents often decide elections, especially in this era when the electorate is so closely divided.  While some may imagine that amnesty is a way to appeal to individuals in the middle of the political spectrum, this survey indicates that the opposite is true.  It seems that opposing an amnesty may be a way of winning support from this critically important segment of the population.

Unaffected Voters.  Although the table shows that a plurality in every social group indicate that they would be less likely to vote for candidates who support an amnesty, it is important to realize that the table also shows that, for many voters, amnesty is not likely to effect how they cast their ballots.  This should come as little surprise since voters consider many issues when deciding how they will vote.   Still, it is interesting that a large share of voters across different socio-demographic groups indicate that they are more likely to vote against those who support amnesty, even if the candidate comes from the party that we would expect them normally to support. The large share of voters in union households who said they would be less likely to vote for Democrats in Congress if they support amnesty and likewise the significant share of conservatives who said they would be less likely to vote for Republican supporters of amnesty indicates that, for many Americans, amnesty is an issue that matters.  Thus, to the extent that amnesty does matter to voters, they are for the most part opposed to it.

Conclusion
There are few issues on which Americans from a broad range of perspectives and backgrounds agree. Opposition to an amnesty appears to be one of those issues. There appears to be no major group in society that strongly supports amnesty.  Moreover, there seems to be no group for whom a candidate’s support of amnesty would increase votes.  One of the main reasons for this is that opponents feel more strongly about the issue than do supporters of amnesty.  Of those who said they thought it was a good idea, 69 percent indicated that if president Bush supported an amnesty it would still have no effect on their vote.  In contrast, only 41 percent of those opposed to an amnesty indicated that his support for amnesty would not affect their vote.  This same pattern exists for Democrats in Congress.  As a result, support for amnesty seems to hurt candidates much more than it helps them. This is true for both parties and across every major constituency group.

A second important finding is that although supporters of amnesty have been very effective in lining up support among union, business, church, and other leaders, this elite support has not translated into public support.  Of course, none of this shows that an amnesty is sound or unsound as a matter of public policy.  However, whatever its merits, it would certainly be better that the public is first convinced of the wisdom of such a major change in policy before granting permanent residency status to millions of illegal immigrants.  It is always better in a democracy for public policy to reflect public opinion.

Advocates of amnesty certainly are trying hard to convince the public.  One tactic that should probably not be employed is to use euphemisms such as "regularization," "legalization," or "normalization" rather than amnesty. Tactics such as this only make the public more cynical, especially since opponents as well as journalists will quickly point out that this is deceptive.  If an amnesty has merit, then it should be debated as openly as possible.  The results of this survey indicate that supporters of amnesty clearly have their work cut out for them across a broad range of the population. 

# # #

The Center for Immigration Studies is a non-profit, non-partisan think tank that examines and critiques the impact of immigration on the United States.  The Center is not affiliated with any other organization.

 


77 posted on 03/08/2002 3:14:52 PM PST by Oregon Coast Conservative
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To: Oregon Coast Conservative
* The strongest opposition to amnesty can be found among conservatives, with 60 percent thinking it is a bad or very bad idea compared to 26 percent who think it is a good or very good idea.

And it's that 60%+ Bush and the Republican party should be thinking of come November. Most of us ain't going to forget.

79 posted on 03/08/2002 3:20:00 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Oregon Coast Conservative
The Center for Immigration Studies is a non-profit, non-partisan think tank that examines and critiques the impact of immigration on the United States. The Center is not affiliated with any other organization.

Just like how the NEA, NAACP ,and the ACLU are non-profit, non-partisan organizations.

80 posted on 03/08/2002 3:20:26 PM PST by Dane
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