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DANIELLE'S DEATH MAY REMAIN MYSTERY: (30 Days Ago, Van Dam Case Broke! Details Now Being Revealed!)
KOGO Radio 600 (Daily Telegraph) ^ | March 3, 2002 | KOGO

Posted on 03/03/2002 7:49:10 AM PST by FresnoDA

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To: Danielle
My gosh, I wonder if all those high class woman in the late 1800s and early 1900s were into bondage as that is when chokers were really big.

I have a fair amount of experience with family photos from that era, and women from respectable families did NOT wear jewelry, much less chokers. Respectable people were very pious and very humble in that era.

You're thinking of the women that Hollywood portrayed as dancers in wild west saloons [or European variations, like the Moulin Rouge]. In that era, those women were understood to be whores.

161 posted on 03/03/2002 10:38:17 AM PST by SlickWillard
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To: BunnySlippers; all
The swinging stories are true as far as I'm concerned

I am nearly certain that they are.

Some inferred that I may be making this up, but that's their choice. My son-in-law is an LEO in a city of San Diego County. He has many friends who are also LE in various cities throughout the county. He told me about the "swinging" very shortly after Danielle went missing. He had heard it form other LEOs.

He dropped by this morning (while working) for a cup of coffee. I told him about the debate here and how some felt that these stories were merely rumors with no real basis.

He started laughing and said, "I don't think so." He said he had every reason to believe what he had been told by a reliable source.

Take it for what it is. Maybe I won't be believed, but I put considerable stock in words directly from LE. He told me this before I had the slightest clue about what Rick Roberts was saying and reinforced it today.

162 posted on 03/03/2002 10:38:23 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: SlickWillard
Do you suppose it ever occurs to any of these parents that if they dress their little girls as whores then those little girls might just grow up to be women who are more inclined to behave like whores?

This is absurd! You see a chocker and see bondage and whores. Most people do not.

I work in the stockmarket and wear tailored suits to work everyday ... sometimes I wear chokers since they show well with a higher neckline.

I think your obsession about the chokers, bondage and whores says more about you than Danielle, her parents and the Mickey Mouse earrings.

163 posted on 03/03/2002 10:38:23 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers
You still have not given a good reason why they have to admit it to the public, if it is true, and the cops know about it that is all that matters. Fortunately, in this country, people still do have a right to privacy. In this case the focus was on finding their child, not the pubic knowing about their sex life.
164 posted on 03/03/2002 10:40:17 AM PST by Danielle
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To: Danielle
I wonder what it means. LOL

I shudder to think what it means to him. And I just told him I sometimes wear a gold chocker with my tailored business suits!

165 posted on 03/03/2002 10:40:30 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers
LOL!
166 posted on 03/03/2002 10:40:35 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: nicmarlo
First, I did not bring up Bush and alcohol, I said he never answered the questions about drug use to point out your hypocrisy. The VD's had no reason to admit or deny to a public forum about their sex life. You have not shown cause that they do.
167 posted on 03/03/2002 10:42:17 AM PST by Danielle
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To: BunnySlippers
Lie detectors are funny things. Very emotional, frightened people can fail them and sociopaths can pass them. I think it's hard to make a conclusive judgement based on one. A clue to a direction perhaps.
168 posted on 03/03/2002 10:42:25 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Danielle
You still have not given a good reason why they have to admit it to the public, if it is true,

I never have asserted that they have to ADMIT it. They haven't admitted it and probably never will. You can see I have said that swinging is not illegal so they have nothing to fear from the law but, in my estimation, it was not a good environment for children. Being a member of a gang and having gang members over to your house isn't illegal either ... but it sure isn't good to raise children in that envirnment.

169 posted on 03/03/2002 10:43:43 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers
Another thing about lie detectors. Police can also intentionally or unintentionally "set up" someone to fail by mere suggestions. The parents were probably reassured in some way, that this lie detector test is "merely routine," it's "FBI protocol" when a child is missing, to immediately get the parents to take the test. That is reassuring. I bet the neighbor got none of this reassurance. And, I bet he knew he was like the only neighbor selected for the test.....his state of mind, knowing he was "picked out" to take the test, given probably little or no reassurance, may also have contributed to his failing the test. Sorry, but failing the test does not equate to his being a murderer. It increases the suspicions.

I would say what I find to be more striking and condeming is the find of his fingerprints in Danielle's bedroom.

170 posted on 03/03/2002 10:43:48 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Danielle
"My gosh, I wonder if all those high class woman in the late 1800s and early 1900s were into bondage as that is when chokers were really big"

Sorry Danielle, my memory does not operate that far back.

I'm OLD but gimme a break!

I also didn't associate with "high class" women back then, (was just a young fella.)

171 posted on 03/03/2002 10:44:29 AM PST by FixitGuy
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To: wirestripper
"As far as the porn goes, we know nothing."

Very true. We do not know what the authorities confiscated from the suspect's home. We don't even know the odds of the authoritues planting some convenient evidence in order to strengthen their case ( morality police: yes, it has happened ) We don't know the cause of death. It probably wasn't strangulation, because the choker was found on little Danielle's body.

We know nothing about the lifestyles of the neighbors, but I find it interesting that wife swapping seems to be acceptable behavior, while washing your vehicle in your driveway is somehow weird behavior. We therefore cannot lend credence to the neighbor's allegations.

The inconsistencies in each story may point to sloppy reporting ( not unheard of ) or the parties may be changing their stories at an unusually high rate of speed. We have no way of knowing that, either.

The guy may be guilty, but all the rumormongering going on in the press, with the willing cooperation of the parents, smacks of a witch hunt.

172 posted on 03/03/2002 10:44:59 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Danielle
I cannot let this go by me. Sex, is important in this case! The crime is likely sexual! It does play a part in the investigation. It is way too PC to say otherwise.
173 posted on 03/03/2002 10:45:01 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Hey! I loved the high heels and boas! What are you saying??!! ;)
174 posted on 03/03/2002 10:45:13 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl
Lie detectors are funny things.

I'll agree that lie detectors are not always reliable but we have a number of reasons to suspect that David Westerfield killed that child.

If we're not going to believe lie detectors then why not claim the parents killed their daughter ... they passed the three questions the police asked. (It's the questions they didn't ask that I'm worried about).

175 posted on 03/03/2002 10:46:13 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers
I shudder to think what it means to him. And I just told him I sometimes wear a gold chocker with my tailored business suits!

Next he will be saying yo uwork in a Saloon or are a dancer at the Moulin Rouge. He thinks only women in the past that wore them were hookers, and that woman that were from good families never wore jewerly.

176 posted on 03/03/2002 10:46:19 AM PST by Danielle
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To: BunnySlippers
"I think your obsession about the chokers, bondage and whores says more about you than Danielle, her parents and the Mickey Mouse earrings."

LOL..... touche'

177 posted on 03/03/2002 10:47:31 AM PST by monday
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs;Slick Willard;sidebar moderator;all
"The necklace is just a popular necklace that little girls wear. Little girls often have one favorite thing that they wear every day. It doesn't mean anything. She is not into S&M or anything nefarious. She was just a little girl."

I'm glad you said that, because it's really true....that type necklace/choker (plastic, junky!) is popular with girls her age. I know because my little girl's friends have worn them, and left them at the house when they've gone swimming etc....it's really a piece of junk...they think it makes them look "cool" ...I've also seen girls her age wear them at dance class...

RE: POST # 7

I find the pictures of those ADULTS in S&M chokers, comparing them to that young murdered girl is really in bad taste, and since it's the 2nd thread I've seen SLICK WILLARD posting it on (it must've taken alot of time to collect all those urls) I'm beginning to wonder about the motives...it's fairly sick to me to use her image with those. Whatever her sicko parents were up to, why would you further make her a victim of some disturbed theory you have?

I wish the moderators had taken that post off frankly, they remove so many of them....why that one is allowed to stay is beyond me.

178 posted on 03/03/2002 10:48:43 AM PST by SunnyUsa
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To: BunnySlippers
The thing is, without facts, we cannot really make judgement on who visits someone else's home. I agree it is not a good environment for children if they know about it, or have access to seeing it, but we don't know, and we have no right to know. I am npot advocating the lifestyle, just her right to not respond to the allegations.
179 posted on 03/03/2002 10:48:44 AM PST by Danielle
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To: cake_crumb
The guy may be guilty, but all the rumormongering going on in the press, with the willing cooperation of the parents, smacks of a witch hunt.

It seems we avoid talikng about it because it seems so unlikely, but the circumstances surrounding this whole thing would be very ideal to frame someone.

It's not as if it has never happened. I admit that it may be far-fetched, but not impossible.

180 posted on 03/03/2002 10:48:49 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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