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DANIELLE'S DEATH MAY REMAIN MYSTERY: (30 Days Ago, Van Dam Case Broke! Details Now Being Revealed!)
KOGO Radio 600 (Daily Telegraph) ^ | March 3, 2002 | KOGO

Posted on 03/03/2002 7:49:10 AM PST by FresnoDA

CAUSE OF GIRL'S DEATH COULD REMAIN MYSTERY

Police say they may never know how Danielle van Dam died, or when. The seven-year-old girl disappeared from her San Diego home February first. Authorities are now confirming that a child's body found by volunteer searchers Wednesday is that of the missing child. The district attorney says an autopsy performed confirmed her identity yesterday. The identification was made through dental records because of the condition of the body. Medical examiners are trying to determine the cause of death, but Police Chief Dave Bejerano says it's possible that we'll never know how, or when she was killed. A neighbor has been charged with kidnapping and murdering her. Authorities say they found the girl's blood on his clothing and in his motor home. He has pleaded innocent.


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To: BunnySlippers
If he didn't kill her, he should have passed the lie detector test. He failed.

Those are unreliable, and for that reason, cannot be admitted into a court of law. How likely would you pass a test knowing that if you "fail" you might be investigated more thoroughly so that you could, personally, be accused of murder and face the death penalty or the rest of your life in prison? It also depends on the types of questions, your nervousness, etc. What's the ratio of people passing when the questioning involves murder charges pending?

141 posted on 03/03/2002 10:20:38 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Jhoffa_
I suspect we have a weirdo among us.
142 posted on 03/03/2002 10:20:41 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: nicmarlo
I can't figure out why she didn't specifically say, "we're not swingers". Maybe she'll address it later, after she's had time to mourn..
143 posted on 03/03/2002 10:21:25 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: TLBSHOW
"Those pics make the case for sending the liberal commie demorats stright to hell. Flame away!"

LOL... you are going to have to do better than that if you want to get flamed around here:)

144 posted on 03/03/2002 10:23:17 AM PST by monday
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To: nicmarlo
HOWEVER, when mother VD was directly asked about the swinger rumors (at least twice, that I know of and saw, Larry King, and a newsreporter on camera), she WOULD NOT DENY those "rumors." She changed the subject. None of her friends have come forward, either, to deny any of these swinger "rumors." I would vehemently deny those charges and I know my friends would also come forward, denying that kind of lifestyle. The VD's have not. Raises more than eyebrows.

Why should thye have to answer those questions, their daughter was missing, now found to be dead. Their sex life was not the focus. Bush never answered the question about drugs shall we assume then since he did not deny it he uses them?

145 posted on 03/03/2002 10:23:59 AM PST by Danielle
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
The photos posted of adults wearing neck gear was horrendous-very rough stuff. I understand children having favorite necklaces, toys, clothes, etc-all normal. So is the apparently favorite necklace of Danielle's, as long as it is not her daddy or someone else's encouragement that caused her to wear this piece of jewelry. Her diary indicates she was afraid of her own father's withdrawal of love-which breaks the heart.

I believe the little boys should be removed from the home. I believe they should be tenderly placed with the grandparents and gently spoken to by grief counselors-and encouraged to speak of what they have observed or maybe even experienced in the supposed sanctity of their own home, so that if things were as rotten there as reports indicate, these little boys have the opportunity to understand that life can be different, can be safe, can be free of strangers being intimate with parents, etc.

I agree with Pierce. All things considered, until the lifestyle of the Von Dam's can be demonstrated as NOT responsible for the apparent lack of safety that caused a little one's ultimate death, it is the responsibility of EVERYONE who suspects or has concrete knowledge of the activities in that so called home to come forward and protect those left to suffer in the abyss.

I know it will hurt the Von Dam's greatly to lose their sons temporarily. But it would certainly be more important to ensure the safety and grief support for the little boys. These two KNOW what went on in their home. Now they need to know that people love them.

146 posted on 03/03/2002 10:24:12 AM PST by Republic
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To: SlickWillard
When I was a kid [late sixties, decade of the seventies], children did NOT wear jewelry.

I grew up in the 50's and, as a child, did not wear jewelry. But things have changed (I'm sure you've noticed). All sorts of social mores have changed ... yes, most of them not for the better in my estimation. But while I was a babysitter in the 60's I couldn't believe what parents let their kids do. ... But allowing their child to wear a plastic chocker and huge Mickey Mouse earrings seem rather main-stream compared to what I suspect these parents were up to.

147 posted on 03/03/2002 10:24:52 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: FixitGuy
Thanks for posting your views about the choker. I thought the same thing but was reticent to say so.
It just ISN'T a "style" thing that a little girl would normally wear.
Most parents would discourage it because of the link to bondage idea.

My gosh, I wonder if all those high class woman in the late 1800s and early 1900s were into bondage as that is when chokers were really big.

148 posted on 03/03/2002 10:25:29 AM PST by Danielle
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To: GussiedUp
It's just that I have a personal friend who's rott attacked their 16 year old daughter. The dog had never given any indication of violence. It grew up with the kids. He thought is was a fluke. Some stitches were required and he kept the dog. A year later it happened again. This time the daughter spent time in the hospital and the authorities destroyed the dog. A lesson not learned.
149 posted on 03/03/2002 10:25:31 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: AppyPappy
Shall we take a poll?
150 posted on 03/03/2002 10:26:07 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Did kids in your day ever play dress up at all? IE:wanting to wear their parents clothes and drink tea?

Hell no. I'm a boy. We played sports and hiked in the woods and built forts, AND NONE OF THE GIRLS WORE JEWELRY!!!

Actually, I can think of one little girl I had a huge crush on who might have worn a necklace once in a while, but her parents were ultra-libs [hard core McGovernites in '72].

151 posted on 03/03/2002 10:28:13 AM PST by SlickWillard
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To: Danielle
The choker angle is pretty petty! I agree on this point.
152 posted on 03/03/2002 10:29:13 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Danielle
Why should they have to answer those questions, their daughter was missing, now found to be dead. Their sex life was not the focus . . .

Why should they NOT answer those questions when their sex life may have INDEED contributed to the abduction of their daughter? If they were involved in sex trysts with many people, they have EXPOSED their daughter to these people. As far as Bush, what does his past alcohol problems, from which stems back to YEARS AGO, have to do with his current lifestyle TODAY? His past mistakes, for which he has CORRECTED, plays no part in his ability to be President. I admire his taking control over something that began to control him and changed his ways, long, long ago.

153 posted on 03/03/2002 10:30:41 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Danielle
Why should thye have to answer those questions, their daughter was missing, now found to be dead. Their sex life was not the focus.

Swinging is not illegal ... period. Their sex life may not be the focus but their lifestyle will probably be debated ... rightly so I think.

Do you think that having strangers over to your house for the sole purpose of having sex is healthy for adolescent children in the house? Personally I think not. While many who swing may be well adjusted I suspect there is a higher percentage of those who are not sexually well adjusted and need deviant sexual stimulation to satisfy themselves. If the parents want to swing ... fine. Do it before they have children, or after the children grow up and leave home ... or do it off-site after getting a babysitter. Not in a garage with so many people hanging around you find open doors so people can throw cigarette ashes out a "non-event". Again, not illegal, but not a good environment so close to children.

154 posted on 03/03/2002 10:32:57 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers
I grew up in the 50's and, as a child, did not wear jewelry.

I made this point on the other thread, but I'll repeat it here: Do you suppose it ever occurs to any of these parents that if they dress their little girls as whores then those little girls might just grow up to be women who are more inclined to behave like whores?

155 posted on 03/03/2002 10:33:00 AM PST by SlickWillard
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To: crypt2k
I have wondered the same thing about the porn. If he knew he had it, why did he keep it and let police investigate his home twice without a warrant. It was like he thought he had nothing to hide. Either that or he's stupid and I don't think he's stupid. Also, in an investigation police have to determine who had access to the VD home. There's no way police could overlook the swinging and absolutely no way a judge could prevent the defense from using that. It's pertinent regardless of what one thinks of the lifestyle.
156 posted on 03/03/2002 10:35:52 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: SlickWillard
I see woemen and girls wearing these thing on the soaps on TV. I really don't think it is a issue in itself. At least not in todays society.
157 posted on 03/03/2002 10:36:16 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: SlickWillard
Hell no. I'm a boy. We played sports and hiked in the woods and built forts, AND NONE OF THE GIRLS WORE JEWELRY!!!

Heck, I still have the cross necklace and baby ring that were put on me as a child and can be seen in every picture of me through the years until they no longer fit. They weren't taken off nightly. Even now I wear a gold and black onyx ring that I never remove, a pair of diamond stud earrings that I only remove to clean or when I am dressing up and they are replaced with another pair. I wonder what it means. LOL

158 posted on 03/03/2002 10:37:12 AM PST by Danielle
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
BUMP
159 posted on 03/03/2002 10:37:16 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: shigure;Dante3
Also, she had to bathe at some point. She would have to take it off for a bath if not for sleeping.
160 posted on 03/03/2002 10:37:47 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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