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Cabin owners 'deeply alarmed' by forest plan
The Sacramento Bee ^ | (Published March 1, 2002) | By Evelyn de Ghetaldi and Liz Arnold

Posted on 03/01/2002 9:37:48 AM PST by farmfriend

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:33:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The proposed Sierra Nevada framework is regularly characterized as a dispute between pro- and anti-logging interests. However, because the plan would restrict human activity more than any previous forest plan, recreational interests, including cabin owners, would be adversely affected if this framework is upheld. Members of the National Forest Homeowners are deeply alarmed.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: biofraud; geopolitics; govwatch; landgrab; nwo
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When I find my letter to the editor on this subject, I'll link it.
1 posted on 03/01/2002 9:37:48 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: Carry_Okie;sasquatch;forester;SierraWasp;editor-surveyor;Grampa Dave;Jeff Head;B4Ranch...
Pinging. Did I misspell anybody? : )
2 posted on 03/01/2002 9:42:27 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
SacBee Letters to the Editor
Published 5:30 a.m. PST Thursday, Feb. 7, 2002

Historical forest management

Re "Sierra Nevada games," Your Views, Jan. 17: The Sierra Nevada Framework needed reviewing. There have been repeated calls by environmentalists to limit logging in the Sierra Nevada. They throw out rhetoric about the forest being overlogged and overgrazed, but the facts say otherwise.

Wildlife biologist George Gruell just published his book "Fire in Sierra Nevada Forests -- A photographic Interpretation of Ecological Change Since 1849" (Mountain Press). In it, he shows that contrary to environmentalists' claims of overlogging, the forests are extremely overgrown.

Native American tribes burned more than 1 million acres a year to keep forests thin and meadows large. Now forests throughout California are dying from overcrowding. In some areas there are more than 300 trees per acre that naturally supported fewer than 20.

Until people stop listening to the environmental fear mongers and start looking at what was and what is, we will continue to have superhot fires that kill the very forests we desire to protect.

- Maggie Bloom, Sacramento
Legislative Director
California State Grange

3 posted on 03/01/2002 9:52:27 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend; fishhawk; trout stalker
Thanks, this language is really scary. It shows the real intent of the enviral elite Nazis to get all of us out their purposed Druid Cathedrals:

"Ephemeral stream" is any trickle of water located anywhere snow is melting and flowing downhill. The proposed language states that human activity is not allowed within 150 feet of an ephemeral stream. Cabins are a human activity, as are camping, hiking, fishing, mountain biking and so on. Almost every cabin in the Sierra is surrounded by melting snow in the spring.

No human activity could occur within 300 feet of a meadow, stream bank, lake or river

That no human activity could occur within 300 feet shows their complete hatred of the average American. As a fly fisher, who never litters, catches and releases and leaves an area cleaner than when I came in (I pack out litter). I could be prevented from going withing 300 feet of a stream bank, lake or river. That makes it impossible to fish!

4 posted on 03/01/2002 9:52:36 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
As an active Scouter, I have a problem with this myself.

BTW, I admire anyone people's ability to fly fish. I would move more towards making the flies.

5 posted on 03/01/2002 9:58:07 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
You, too, can live on a leased lot on gummint land. It's no way to build a family estate, but it could be better than renting an apartment.
6 posted on 03/01/2002 9:58:50 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: Grampa Dave
anyone people's

Great English there. Sometimes I wonder. First I misspell people's names, then I write funky. What next?

7 posted on 03/01/2002 10:00:05 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
bump
8 posted on 03/01/2002 10:07:24 AM PST by NorseWood
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To: Grampa Dave
When I moved to Sacramento I heard a greatdeal about the "Vernal Pools" , which were described as veritable edens, and resulted in large areas being off limits to development ( although already purchased and taxed accordingly ). So one spring day I went to visit them and saw what for all the world to my midwestern eyes were - puddles. Some large puddles, but puddles non the less. Get one of those on your property and you were screwed.
9 posted on 03/01/2002 10:15:07 AM PST by Kozak
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To: RightWhale
You, too, can live on a leased lot on gummint land. It's no way to build a family estate, but it could be better than renting an apartment.

How exactly does one do this?

-bc

10 posted on 03/01/2002 10:21:43 AM PST by BearCub
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To: BearCub
For example, go to Alaska, stake out a lease lot on a remote site within the designated state lease lot area, and begin paying the annual fee. Generally the lease term is five years at a time. This lease may continue to be renewed until the state concludes the program, which it may do at any time, then you will have to move.
11 posted on 03/01/2002 10:26:01 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
I'm familiar with some of these cabins. While some are cute, and no doubt historic, I don't see them as much more than a special priveledge for a select few on our public lands. A Scout or church camp would be different matter because of the larger numbers being able to use the facility.

What concerns me more about forest policy is the closing of roads, trails, or otherwise limiting access to areas the the public used to enjoy for hiking, camping, hunting, or whatever.

12 posted on 03/01/2002 10:39:22 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: Kozak; Sierra Wasp
When my oldest son was graduated from college, we went to the Sierra foothills for some fishing in a lake in February/early March.

I never knew what a Vernal Pool was until that trip. I noticed barbed wire around these colored puddles. The barbed wire was to keep the rancher's cattle off of these pools.

My son explained to me what the Vernal Pools were and the cost to those ranchers.

Later in May we drove up those same roads to go fly fishing in a river up in that area. The fences were still there. No Vernal pools, just dust bowls where the colored puddles were.

13 posted on 03/01/2002 10:39:42 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: farmfriend
bttt
14 posted on 03/01/2002 10:40:14 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: BigBobber
There is no question that vast areas of the West and Alaska have been closed to entry, a trend that was well underway before the Mining Law of 1872. Whether the government has the right do this legally and whether it is proper to do so are separate issues.
15 posted on 03/01/2002 10:54:46 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: Grampa Dave
No person save Forest Service personnel may enter public forests. Forest Service personnel must file an environmental impact statement on each occasion before entering public forests.

Your tax dollars at work.

Have a nice day.

16 posted on 03/01/2002 11:31:35 AM PST by Thud
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To: Thud
Yeah, have a nice day just stay the hell out of any National Forest, regardless of what you might want to do!
17 posted on 03/01/2002 11:33:14 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: farmfriend

The proposed Sierra Nevada framework

There's a high probability that whoever wrote and proposed the Sierra Nevada framework is insane and should probably be hospitalized. I'm serious. But then again, I also think 99% of members of congress have violated their oath of office at least once and most of them have several times.

18 posted on 03/01/2002 11:42:40 AM PST by Zon
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To: farmfriend
"We are sensitive to the interdependence between the family owned ranches and grazing in the Natl Forest."

"We will engage homeowners associations, offroad vehicle groups, the ski industry, and others to assure that we have carefully considered their concerns."

Blackwell's letter to the Chief

19 posted on 03/01/2002 12:55:04 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Thanks, I needed that.
20 posted on 03/01/2002 1:06:16 PM PST by farmfriend
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