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To: RightWhale
I'm familiar with some of these cabins. While some are cute, and no doubt historic, I don't see them as much more than a special priveledge for a select few on our public lands. A Scout or church camp would be different matter because of the larger numbers being able to use the facility.

What concerns me more about forest policy is the closing of roads, trails, or otherwise limiting access to areas the the public used to enjoy for hiking, camping, hunting, or whatever.

12 posted on 03/01/2002 10:39:22 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: BigBobber
There is no question that vast areas of the West and Alaska have been closed to entry, a trend that was well underway before the Mining Law of 1872. Whether the government has the right do this legally and whether it is proper to do so are separate issues.
15 posted on 03/01/2002 10:54:46 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: BigBobber
Don't expect the forestry to be friendly with any group.

The forest dept. burned a Boy Scott lodge because THEIR survey showed its foundation was two feet within Forest property. This was in the Sierra's in the early 80s. They have no respect for private ownership, use or recreation of the land. They are the privilege few and all others get out. I had owned one of those cabins for 8 years down here in Los Angeles. This plan has slowly been formed to get rid of all private ownership and private use of forestry land over the last twenty years whether it church camps, road side cafe, restaurants, cabins, etc. Soon, they've also been trying to force adjoining private land owners to sell to government as their eco regulations extend past forestry boundaries. If you want to experience life in a police state, own one of these cabins.

The cabin owners do more to protect the forest and lives than those professional eco-Nazis. Forestry personnel go home when it gets dark. We were the ones that called in the road accidents, fires, looting and vandalism of Government property (usually to the Sheriff dept, since the Forestry only had an answering machine from 5 pm to 9 am). I got the message that it was time to leave when we had a small brush fire threaten our cabins and the Forestry pulled their equipment back to protect the road and their water tanks and were willing to let us burn. Fortunately, Cabin owners have learned not to expect help from anyone in a uniform and we had our own fire hoses. As a result, my neighbor had a scorched carport (which the forestry initially forbade him to fix, but he did anyway).

Now our local forest require a parking permit to stop within the forestry boundaries, so don't break down if you're traveling through any forest land in southern Calif. and don't expect help from any ranger with a gun on his belt and ticket book in his back pocket.

28 posted on 03/01/2002 5:17:35 PM PST by Traction
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To: BigBobber
I'm familiar with some of these cabins. While some are cute, and no doubt historic, I don't see them as much more than a special priveledge for a select few on our public lands.

Seeing as how it's been going on for close to 100 years, it doesn't seem to be that big an imposition on you. And, seeing as how you, too, could take advantage of it, it's not really a "special priveledge" -- which, BTW, is not free.

And, finally, you'll find that the best stewards of the forests are precisely those folks who have the cabins. They tend to have a good understanding of how best to balance the use and preservation aspects of the forest.

61 posted on 03/03/2002 7:54:13 AM PST by r9etb
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