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Bush invites Mel Gibson to White House for screening of Vietnam War movie
AP ^ | 2-26-02

Posted on 02/26/2002 2:55:58 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:39:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush invited Mel Gibson to the White House on Tuesday to take in the Hollywood star's new film about a historic battle in the Vietnam War.

"There seems to be such a thing as collective unconscious, because there's a plethora of war films right now," Gibson told reporters at the White House. His movie, "We Were Soldiers," about a Nov. 14, 1965, battle in Vietnam's Ia Drang Valley, before the terror attacks in the United States and the ensuing war on terrorism.


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To: evolved_rage
**Mel has several children **

I think they're up to #7!

61 posted on 02/26/2002 8:43:45 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;RonDog;flamefront;Landru
...It's now...

..-1,080-.. RICK RESCORLA Medal of Freedom Award Petition Signatures to President BUSH.

...That's just OUTSTANDING...!!!

62 posted on 02/26/2002 8:53:53 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: abigail2
Yes, M'am, he sure is cute! If I were 20 years younger, unmarried, and if he wasn't married, WATCH OUT! he he
63 posted on 02/26/2002 10:13:07 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: RonDog;Snow Bunny;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;JMJ333;onyx;Ragtime Cowgirl;kristinn;Registered...
...See today's -OUTSTANDING- Atlanta Journal-Constitution on ..'WE WERE SOLDIERS'.. by Staff Writer BILL HENDIRCK at...

.. www.ajc.com ..

...that shares we IA DRANG-1965 Vets' reaction to our Special Screening of the new ..'Braveheart in 'Nam.. Movie at Ft. Benning GA on Feb 13th.

...Access the Article under MEL GIBSON's Picture with the Heading ..'Vietnam Vets say MEL GIBSON's film captures the horror'.. for the Article titled:

'Film's horror too true, say 60's soldiers'

GARRY OWEN, Sir

NEVER FORGET

64 posted on 02/27/2002 7:20:42 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: generalissimoduane;Snow Bunny;ChaseR;Prodigal Daughter;Ragtime Cowgirl;goldilucky;RMDupree
...This OUTSTANDING Atlanta Journal-Constitution .. ..'WE WERE SOLDIERS'.. Article by BILL HENDRICK has already been discussed on today's Former Congressman BOB DORNAN and White House Press Corps Member LES KINSOLVING's seperate National Talk Radio Shows on..

.. www.TalkRadioNetwork.com ..

...so that we will NEVER FORGET.

65 posted on 02/27/2002 7:26:43 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
bump...will be back to read when work permits!
66 posted on 02/27/2002 10:13:37 AM PST by VOA
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
...See today's -OUTSTANDING- Atlanta Journal-Constitution on ..'WE WERE SOLDIERS'.. by Staff Writer BILL HENDIRCK at...

.. www.ajc.com ..

...that shares we IA DRANG-1965 Vets' reaction to our Special Screening of the new ..'Braveheart in 'Nam.. Movie at Ft. Benning GA on Feb 13th.

...Access the Article under MEL GIBSON's Picture with the Heading ..'Vietnam Vets say MEL GIBSON's film captures the horror'.. for the Article titled:

'Film's horror too true, say 60's soldiers'

From http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/living/0227benning.html:
[The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 02.27.2001]

Film's horror too true, say '60s soldiers

By BILL HENDRICK
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

Fort Benning -- His voice quivering with emotion, his eyes blood red, Dick Ackerman is having a hard time expressing his feelings about the super-hyped Mel Gibson movie "We Were Soldiers," which opens Friday.

skate
Jim Lawrence, of Birmingham, Ala., who was at Battle of Ia Drang Valley in Vietnam in November 1965.

VETERANS' REACTION

Here's what veterans of the Battle of Ia Drang Valley in November 1965 say about the movie, "We Were Soldiers," which depicts the struggle:

  • "It's the best Vietnam movie that's been made. It's terrible to see it on the screen, but that's how it was. You can't clean it up. But I loved the movie. This message could not have come at a better time for our country in a new time of war in a new century."
    RONNIE GUYER, 59, Chino, Calif.
  • "It really made me sad. I was only one of a few black Rangers, and had some trouble because of my race on the way over by ship. But we didn't have any of that at Ia Drang. We were brothers, and the movie shows that."
    LANG COLEMAN JR., 61, Montgomery
  • "I was able to control myself, but only in certain places. It was that realistic. It was hand to hand. The noise, the confusion, the fear."
    JIM BRIGHAM, 67, Charlotte
  • "It's close to the way it was. It was emotional. I had friends who died there. I had a lump in my throat the whole time."
    BENJAMIN JACKSON, 73, Columbus
  • "To me, the other movies, like 'Platoon' and 'Full Metal Jacket', haven't come close [to the real-life horror of the scenes]. The closest, believe it or not, was the battle scene in 'Forrest Gump.' But I don't think I want to see any more war movies, ever again. It's too painful. Just too intense."
    DON CAMPBELL, 57, Guntersville, Ala.
  • "I didn't like the movie . . ."
    PATRICK "JIM" KELLY, 59, of Smyrna.
    He thought it overly glorified the authors of the book on which the movie is based.
"It has everything but the stench," says Ackerman, 60, who drove his motor home from California for a special screening of the movie that depicts one of the bloodiest battles of the Vietnam War. "The fighting was hand to hand, like it showed. That's how it was. But worse."

Other survivors of the Battle of Ia Drang Valley nod in agreement, hugging, sobbing, shaking hands. Many are trembling.

"No question, this is the best [Vietnam movie] there's been," says Michael Mantegna, 59, a Cumming lawyer. "It was extremely hard to watch for all of us. . . . Every scene is forcing us to recollect people and faces and events in 1965."

There are close to 80,000 Vietnam veterans in the Atlanta area, maybe twice that many in Georgia, and more than 8 million in the country.

Many of the old soldiers -- potbellied, graying, balding -- have brought their wives, children, even grandchildren to the screening at a theater on this sprawling military base, the home of the infantry, near Columbus. The invitation-only audience is made up of survivors of the horrific battle in November 1965. More than 300 American soldiers died at the Battle of Ia Drang Valley -- more than in the entire Persian Gulf War.

The sniffling starts soon after the lights go down. Then come muffled gasps, the throat-clearing noises men make when they're trying to choke back tears.

Vets furtively slip white handkerchiefs from their pockets, clutching them in their laps and tightly clenched fists. There are long, heavy, heaving sighs.

"I feel like I just left there," says John Gilardi, 59, of Shelter Cove, Calif. "It's deja vu. This movie is our parade we never got."

Lots of the vets feel that way, but they're also excited about the dramatic rise in U.S. patriotism. That's become clear in the past few months, with flags sprouting like weeds in millions of yards and decorating countless cars.

Polls show that the military is enjoying the highest levels of confidence since the early days of the Vietnam War, when headlines about the Battle of Ia Drang Valley galvanized American resolve, at least for a year or two.

Veterans, like Mantegna and Patrick "Jim" Kelly, 59, of Smyrna, feel it's high time their story was told sans Hollywood hype.

"The Vietnam War has never ended for many of us," says Mantegna. "We carry it around inside. The press and the public still need to be educated about Vietnam."

That sentiment was echoed by many bleary-eyed men and women who chatted in the theater's lobby after the movie ended, lingering, hugging, shaking hands, talking about the film, but also about bypass operations, cornea transplants, grandchildren.

Some are upset that many Americans know little about America's most divisive war and don't grasp how that long conflict changed the country and still affects society.

"I hear people say, 'Who cares what happened way back in the '60s,' but the movie and what's going on in the world right now show that everyone should care," says Jim Lawrence, 60, a former lieutenant, who lives in Birmingham.

"Everything changed on Sept. 11," Lawrence says. "Patriotism has never been lost, but sometimes it takes something tragic to rekindle the spirit."

The Vietnam War is part of the curriculum in most high school history classes, like those taught by Ann Rogers, 60, at Walton High in east Cobb County, who taught boys who died in the war. She's appalled that few students know much about Vietnam, or about the turbulent '60s.

"They have no awareness of the period," she says. "Either parents don't talk because they're veterans and can't, or others are ashamed they protested, or others are ashamed they didn't protest enough."

"I believe it is important that young people today learn about the Vietnam War," says Jami Hanzman, 19, of Alpharetta and a freshman at the University of Georgia. "This is a war that I care a great deal about. And after recent events, we have seen that we are not invincible."

But students concede they don't know as much as they should.

"The only thing I know about Vietnam is what I learned from movies like 'Good Morning Vietnam' and 'Apocalypse Now,' says Robert Wollner, 20, of Marietta and also a UGA student.

"I could tell you about Pearl Harbor, Battle of the Bulge, D-Day, the Lusitania, Treaty of Versailles," he says. "We even learn about the Battle of New Orleans fought after the War of 1812. But I couldn't name one battle, general or anything about Vietnam."

Many of the vets have come to honor an old pal, Rick Rescorla, one of many heroes of the battle, who survived the war but was killed Sept. 11 while saving lives in the south tower of the World Trade Center.

He would have been here, the vets say.

Both Kelly and Mantegna knew him well. Most of the Ia Drang men remember Rescorla as the gaunt grunt who graces the cover of the 1992 best seller, "We Were Soldiers Once, and Young." The book, on which the movie is based, was written by Joe Galloway -- then a reporter-photographer for United Press International, who snapped the picture -- and retired Gen. Hal Moore, now 80, whom Gibson portrays in the movie.

Rescorla was a popular, fearless platoon leader in the 7th Cavalry at Ia (pronounced eye) Drang. He kept in touch with his fellow survivors.

The night of Sept. 11, e-mails zipped across the country. He was missing. His wife desperately called hospitals, visited Ground Zero.

"We called his wife, Susan, every day," says Kelly.

Within days, e-mails brought the news everyone suspected.

Rescorla, 62, who'd been security chief for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co. and was credited by the company with saving all but six of its 5,700 employees, probably wasn't going to be found. After evacuating the firm's employees, he'd gone back into the south tower to help others. "The fact that some terrorist in an airplane killed him rubs us all the wrong way. But, as we say in the cavalry, he died with his boots on," said Mantegna.

Terry Skipper, 62, of Charlotte, says Rescorla was "one of those types of guys who in a dangerous situation would laugh and joke to get people to get their minds off personal problems. That's what they say he was doing when the tower collapsed. We just all have to go on."

That's what Betty Mapson has done, but it hasn't been easy, since the telegram came a day or so after her father, Sgt. Jerry Jivens, 36, was killed at Ia Drang.

"In those days, like it shows in the movie, the telegrams came by taxi. I had a girlfriend over. She lived across the street, spent the night," says Mapson, then a 13-year-old. "When the cabdriver knocked on the door, it was like 4 in the morning. I could hear muffled voices. My mother was just screaming. He was a real devoted daddy. It just killed me, seeing the movie."

She laments that her son and daughter, now grown, "never got to meet their granddaddy. They've seen his picture, and I have his wallet. But now I can say, 'This is where daddy went. This is where he died.' At least they'll know something."


67 posted on 02/27/2002 11:17:58 AM PST by RonDog
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Wow, Ronnie. I didn't realize until now that you are a veteran of this battle. Did you consult on the movie? (More importantly, did you get to meet Mel!?)

Thanks very much for your service to our country.

68 posted on 02/27/2002 11:24:12 AM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: mms326
PING!!!
69 posted on 02/27/2002 11:30:26 AM PST by lawgirl
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thank you Ronnie, so very much! I made some changes and updates at my Profile page. I wanted to let you know, in case you want to see them.

Thank you for all you do Ronnie and for all the information.`

70 posted on 02/27/2002 3:26:54 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: RonDog
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     President Bush's political adviser, Karl Rove, joined Mel Gibson for a very early sneak peek — read, last fall — of the much-anticipated Hollywood film "We Were Soldiers," which opens Friday.
     John Meroney, Washington-based associate editor of the American Enterprise, reveals that Mr. Rove and Mr. Gibson, star of the film, sat together several months ago in the private Washington screening room of Motion Picture Association Chairman Jack Valenti to watch Hollywood's version of the first major engagement of the Vietnam war — when 450 U.S. soldiers of the 7th Cavalry were surrounded by 2,000 North Vietnamese soldiers in Ia Drang Valley.
     Joining Mr. Rove and Mr. Gibson for the private screening were retired Lt. Gen. Harold G. Moore (played by Mr. Gibson), who commanded the 7th Cavalry and wrote the book the movie is based upon, and Joe Galloway, the UPI correspondent assigned to the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry.
     Also on hand for the Washington screening was the picture's writer and director, Randall Wallace (scriptwriter for the Mel Gibson blockbuster "Braveheart.")
     Without giving too much away, Mr. Meroney reveals one scene in the March issue of the magazine in which Mr. Gibson, preparing to depart for Southeast Asia, learns that his regiment number is seven.
     "The Seventh?" Mr. Gibson asks. "The same regiment as ... Custer?"
     "Ultimately, and this news won't spoil the filmfl" promises Mr. Meroney, "Gibson and his troops fare better than the general and his soldiers did at Little Big Horn. But that's not to say they have an easy go of it."
     In fact, the war's initial engagement turned out to be one of the bloodiest.

     

71 posted on 02/27/2002 3:49:14 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: Lady In Blue; ALOHA RONNIE
Thanks, Lady In Blue!
(Ping, ALOHA RONNIE!)

72 posted on 02/27/2002 3:56:21 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Lady In Blue
...That's just OUTSTANDING...!!!
73 posted on 02/27/2002 4:05:58 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Am going to try to get out and see this over the weekend.
74 posted on 02/27/2002 4:33:08 PM PST by Lady GOP
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Wonderful article, Ronnie. Thanks for the ping. We all need to be reminded of the price of freedom, especially today. Those big, tough soldiers crying in the theater break my heart. Can I give you a virtual hug of thanks? Ping for you all, and for Officer Rick.
75 posted on 02/27/2002 5:04:35 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: RonDog
RonDog, thanks for the description of the showing for the Ia Drang Vets!! It means alot to read. I'm so glad that Viet Nam Vets are finally getting the respect and recognition they deserve...God bless them and heal them all.
76 posted on 02/27/2002 6:23:33 PM PST by abigail2
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Isn't it though! Has anybody seen a picture or comment on the President's reaction to this film? Thanks.
77 posted on 02/27/2002 7:01:09 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: RonDog
You're welcome,RonDog.I wonder if Hugh Hewitt has mentioned this film yet? Do you know? Thanks.
78 posted on 02/27/2002 7:03:01 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: Lady In Blue; ALOHA RONNIE
I wonder if Hugh Hewitt has mentioned this film yet? Do you know? Thanks.
Yes. Hugh has mentioned this wonderful film MANY times, thanks to a caller named "ALOHA RONNIE!" ;)

BTW, ALOHA - I also heard you on the Drudge Report last Sunday, and of course, on Bob Dornan's show. (And George Putnam!)

Were you also on with Sean Hannity? Larry Elder? Rush?


79 posted on 02/28/2002 9:16:27 AM PST by RonDog
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Hi Ronnie I'll try to access the pictures you referenced from your collection from the site www.LZxray.com Had some difficulty trying to find them.
80 posted on 03/01/2002 6:35:12 PM PST by goldilucky
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