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RUSH TO DUB: IT'S GUT CHECK TIME ( Stand up for free speech. Veto this bill Mr. President)
rushlimbaugh ^ | 2/15/2002 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 02/16/2002 7:27:55 AM PST by TLBSHOW

Today, ladies and gentlemen, you cannot shout "Freedom!" in a crowded election. That's what this phony campaign finance reform bill will mean if it becomes law, which is why there is a huge debate going on inside the Bush White House over whether the president should veto or sign the bill. It appears right now the president is going to sign the thing - and this is what's troubling.

Mr. President, remember the brilliant address you made to the nation explaining our course of action in fighting world terrorism? I say the same kind of approach is called for with this deceptively named campaign finance reform bill. You enjoy an amazing level of trust with the American people. They trust you. They believe in your honesty and integrity. You could explain to them just why this bill is unconstitutional, and why it ought not ever see the light of day. The First Amendment has just been amended here in wanton violation of the Constitution.

Folks, when John McCain was running for president in the Republican primary, I said, "If Russia passed a new law that restricted free speech and competitive elections in the way that the McCain-Feingold bill does, and then claimed it was reform, our state department and human rights groups would denounce it as repression of the Russian people. The New York Times and Washington Post editorial pages would rail against these efforts as anti-Democratic - which they are." This bill is un-American, wrong and against freedom, and I say this knowing that it would make me even more powerful than I am now. Think about that.

President Bush has demonstrated that he has the resolve and the courage and the principle to face down the evil of terrorism. He's shown that he is committed to doing what's right regardless of what the European Union, congressional Democrats or even the media has to say about it. He's doing the right thing. He's following his instincts. Well, let me suggest that this assault on the Bill of Rights requires no less resolve and courage by the president to prevent a severe blow to our liberty.

To me, this is gut-check time, Mr. President. One of the major reasons you were supported over McCain back in the primary season in the year 2000 was your stand against this very bill. Stand up for free speech. Veto this bill.


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To: nicmarlo
Actually the media has been a double edged sword as it pertains to McCain. By elevating him they gave us an opportunity to learn more about him and it has been ugly.
101 posted on 02/16/2002 8:53:58 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: VRWC_minion
Next, all political websites will be shut down by the FBI 60 days prior to an election.
102 posted on 02/16/2002 8:54:31 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: VRWC_minion
Well, he never actually used the word "speech" in his response, but here's the audio of that exchange. Take from it what you will.
103 posted on 02/16/2002 8:55:14 AM PST by oldvike
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To: TLBSHOW
Fighting terrorism is a simple task with major public points to be gained. Fighting the country's political struggles are far more difficult. Now, let's see if Dubya has the leadership to do what is right, not what is politically expedient.
104 posted on 02/16/2002 8:56:30 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: OldFriend
What a pure cynic. If Rush DOESN'T say anything, you whine that he is "in the pocket" of the country-club Republicans, and when he DOES say something, you complain that he's going to get credit for something Bush is going to do anyway.

Be more inventive, jeez. I would have at least said, if I were of a conspiratorialist mindset, that Rush KNOWS Bush will sign this, and therefore is taking the "conservative" position where he knows it won't matter. But thank God I'm not a conspiratorialist.

Go Rush. You have been out front on this from the get-go.

105 posted on 02/16/2002 8:57:06 AM PST by LS
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To: OldFriend
And if Dubya doesn;t veto this bill, will you apologize to Rush?
106 posted on 02/16/2002 8:57:34 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: TLBSHOW
Although I am against the CFR as written since I believe that it is unconstitutional (I favor no caps, no restrictions, and full disclosure)GW should not veto it. Why should his favorables take a hit (and they will)? A)It doesn't affect presidential races, B) It's what the Republican controlled House wants, C) If the gutless Republican senators don't filibuster the bill, they deserve it, and D) The SCOTUS will throw out the worst of the CFR anyway.

I believe GW took the same "I'll sign it" stance with the stimulus package; 'lo and behold', the bad package never made it to his desk. I'm really getting tired of our congressional "leaders" hiding behind the 'skirts' of the president, and one way to stop them is to hold them responsible for their actions.

When GW goes before Congress and asks then to declare formal war against Iraq (he has no other choice), we will find out what our representatives are made of.

107 posted on 02/16/2002 8:57:52 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: hjp
Rush has talked about all that in previous shows, including Roe v Wade; right now he is concentrating on this issue because it is in the forefront.
108 posted on 02/16/2002 8:57:59 AM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: TLBSHOW
"If Russia passed a new law that restricted free speech and competitive elections in the way that the McCain-Feingold bill does, and then claimed it was reform, our state department and human rights groups would denounce it as repression of the Russian people. The New York Times and Washington Post editorial pages would rail against these efforts as anti-Democratic - which they are."

Definitely unAmerican!

109 posted on 02/16/2002 9:01:36 AM PST by Salvation
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To: TLBSHOW
Bush gave full notice to Congress and the People that he would sign it. He should do so, the minute it hits his desk. Otherwise, he can no longer be taken at his word. He will have been rolled by the Congress into doing their job.

I do have one question for everyone here claiming Bush should veto this bill since it is unconstitutional. So what? If it is as unconstitutional as everyone here claims, then there is no danger in signing it. When you call for a veto you only show how weak your belief in it's unconstitutionality really is.

Sign the bill, the minute it hits the desk. Then announce that you've instructed Ashcroft to immediately challenge it on constitutional grounds. That way Bush keeps his word, demonstrates how unconstitutional the bill is, and teaches those in Congress a lesson in not passing the buck.

110 posted on 02/16/2002 9:03:28 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: glc1173@aol.com
Oh, right, that insignificant meaninless post to nowheresville that no one cares about. THAT is what you want to take up radio time? Get real. When you say "social conservatives," you basically want Rush to daily bash abortion and homosexuals. It isn't going to happen unless it is a true NEWS STORY, and that guy was not news. CFR is.

So quit with the "social conservative" crap. I'm as socially conservative as anyone and I would NOT want to listen to three hours of homosexual bashing every day.

111 posted on 02/16/2002 9:03:55 AM PST by LS
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To: codebreaker
VETO IT!!!! NOW!!!
112 posted on 02/16/2002 9:05:05 AM PST by FSPress
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To: MamaLucci
Correction, these gems are BJ's:

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans . . . ."
--Bill Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993.

"...unfortunately, we can't control the actions of everyone."
--Bill Clinton, April 20, 1993

"The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people."
- Bill Clinton during an interview on MTV in 1993

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."
- Bill Clinton, May 29, 1993, The White House

"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a
radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was
assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly....
However, now there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's
too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it."

--Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV's "Enough is Enough"
113 posted on 02/16/2002 9:05:23 AM PST by MamaLucci
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To: hjp
Liked your post. Here's my thoughts...

IMHO, Bush has been rope-a doping. It's a smart strategy.

First, you go on the record as supporting "cleaning up the system." Then you outline a list of your desires. You also express a couple reservations, like "If it's so important, why not make it effective immediately?"

Now that it is passed, everyone assumes you will sign as you have said.

The stage is set perfectly to veto the bill. You come out and announce the veto and SLAM the cowardly Congress for wanting to clean up the system, JUST NOT YET. Then you slam them for dissing the First Amendment. Checkmate.

IMHO, W has only been saying he would sign it so the blame for the veto would go to those who wrote such a "bad bill."

114 posted on 02/16/2002 9:07:02 AM PST by copycat
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To: spycatcher
You guys are pretty funny. Bush is who he is and who he always was---a "compassionate conservative." I don't know how many times the man has to tell you what he believes in. He believes in MANY conservative principles, but he also believes in many (what I would call) liberal principles. It is just idiotic to claim that he is "moving" in any direction, though. Obviously, you didn't listen to him during the campaign, because he hasn't changed.

I find him stunningly like Reagan on many big-picture issues. He has done more for pro-life, more for national defense and security, and more for bringing blacks and minorities to true conservatism than anyone. But I also find him annoyingly like Teddy Roosevelt at times---willing to use government for purposes that are (in my view) completely unconstitutional. But the key phrase is "in my view." He certainly doesn't see it that way, nor does the Congress, nor do the courts. The one thing that TR, Reagan, and Bush all have in common was their honesty and love of America, and that, in the long run, is worth almost any transitory policy you can come up with, because policies change.

115 posted on 02/16/2002 9:10:12 AM PST by LS
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To: LS
bump for the First Amendment.
116 posted on 02/16/2002 9:14:28 AM PST by JeepInMazar
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To: OldFriend
Yes? and your point is.....what?
117 posted on 02/16/2002 9:15:16 AM PST by Valin
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To: OldFriend
Actually the media has been a double edged sword as it pertains to McCain. By elevating him they gave us an opportunity to learn more about him and it has been ugly.

Very true, OldFriend, very true. When he was running for president, I was initially impressed with him. After he lost, I lost all respect for him in a short period of time, most especially over his threats and whining about McCain/Feingold . . .

118 posted on 02/16/2002 9:15:44 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: robertpaulsen
Heaven help us if President Bush has to go to Congress for permission to continue his fight against terrorism.
119 posted on 02/16/2002 9:16:49 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: oldvike
Bush is correct and there are and ought to be limits to freedom.
120 posted on 02/16/2002 9:16:50 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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