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What is Needed NOW! - Our Elected Officials MUST do their own TAXES!
BlueBay | 02-01-02 | VANNROX

Posted on 02/01/2002 5:32:11 AM PST by vannrox



What we need Right NOW!


Our Elected Officials need to do their OWN Taxes!



VANNROX at BlueBay
02-01-02


I have cracked open my 1040 tax form and started to work on it. I know that the tax forms have been bad in the past. But, honestly, this is the absolute worst tax form that I have ever seen! It is almost as if a legion of demons have crawled up out of Hell and wrote their own twisted kind of sadistic evil mayhem to wreck upon our frail and pitiful lives. Look, I am a degreed Aerospace Engineer, among other things... yes, that is right, I am a Rocket Scientist. And, Even I can't make heads or tails out of this tax code. Not only is it poorly written, and confusing, and horrific, but it is extremely stressful and insulting that Americans have to put up with this kind of nonsense at all.


Just in case you might not believe me, or question my integrity in this matter, let me quote from the 'friendly' 1040 form on the subject of an IRA. That's right. Your friendly IRA. That is, it is a Retirement Account that Congress set up to help us save our own money when it became increasingly clear that Social Security would fail to do what it was intended to do. Here is the simple instructions on how the government (Our Government, I might add) wants us to report on our savings to them.


Pause.


Think about it. We have to report to our government what we saved. So that they can tax it. Because, the Saving Plan that they MADE US PARTICIPATE IN has been found to be insufficient for the job.


Lines 15a and 15b
IRA Distributions

Note. If you converted part or all of an individual retirement arrangement (IRA) to a Roth IRA in 1998 and you chose to report the taxable amount over 4 years, see 1998 Roth IRA Conversions on this page.

You should receive a Form 1099-R show- ing the amount of any distribution from your IRA or Coverdell education savings account (ESA). Unless otherwise noted in the line 15a and 15b instructions, an IRA includes a traditional IRA, Roth IRA, simplified em- ployee pension (SEP) IRA, and a savings incentive match plan for employees (SIMPLE) IRA. Except as provided below, leave line 15a blank and enter the total dis- tribution on line 15b.

Exception 1. Enter the total distribution on line 15a if you rolled over part or all of the distribution from one:

IRA to another IRA of the same type (for example, from one traditional IRA to another traditional IRA), Coverdell ESA to another, or SEP or SIMPLE IRA to a traditional IRA.

Also, put "Rollover" next to line 15b. If the total distribution was rolled over, enter zero on line 15b. If the total was not rolled over, enter the part not rolled over on line 15b unless Exception 2 applies to the part not rolled over.

If you rolled over the distribution (a) in 2002 or (b) from a conduit IRA into a qual- ified plan, attach a statement explaining what you did.

Exception 2.

If any of the following apply, enter the total distribution on line 15a and...



Ok, that is enough. It only gets worse from then on. Look I understand that many federal Employees are good and hard working people. I also know that there are many treasury employees that are wonderful people. Honestly. I am even related to some. And, I must add, that this comment and flame and rage is not specifically directed at ANY specific employee or to any one in general at the IRS or any other branch of Government. But rather this rage is directed to a system that has gotten out of hand. Again, I am not upset at any employee or the IRS as itself, but rather the system which seems to have broken down.


Here is the problem. The IRS simply administers the directions provided to them by Congress. Congress, in turn, creates the laws that we abide by through the need to finance the various Governmental Programs. The Governmental Programs are created to either solve a problem of to enhance the "Public Good". The Problem is not, and I repeat NOT, at the IRS administrative level, but rather at the Congressional Level. All our anger has been and is directed at the IRS, when the real culprit is our own Elected Congress.


This Congress not only creates such a convoluted mess of statutes and laws, but also makes it impossible to follow them without aggravation. I can assure you that were these Congressional Individuals personally involved in the actual filing and submittals of their own personal taxes, that this situation would of never have occurred. To this end I can only surmise that our tax laws, as created by Congress, is nothing less than an unbridled Monster. One, who requires such a voracious need for manpower and staffing that our own IRS is overwhelmed by trying to meet the most ridiculous needs of Congress.


Indeed. Our tax law is equivalent to a cook who is making a post of soup. heads some salt, but it is not enough, so he adds more, then it just isn't quite right... so he adds pepper. Then oregano, and then some chili powder. But the chilli powder masks the salt so he adds more. Each time he adds, he is unable to remove anything from the soup. Eventually the soup becomes undesirable. But so much time and effort has went into the making of the soup that he is afraid to through it away.


That is our Congress.


The IRS are the Waiters and Waitresses whom have to take the gruff from the Customers for serving this swill to us. You think it is bad. Wait one or two years down the road. I can't see it getting much worse than this. But, it will. I understand that it will take over ten years to change the culture in the IRS. Well, that's too long. But, at least there is a plan to do something about the "culture" of the IRS. However, that is not where the problem lies. That is only a symptom of a much larger problem.


The larger problem is the Congressional uncontrolled spending sprees that we have permitted them to have. The full and utter unaccountability that they have when it comes to creating projects and funding the projects and raising the money for the projects. Congress always seems to raise taxes. They always seem to create new laws. They constantly seem to add and replace and consolidate and build upon. They never look back and reflect. We have a huge monster. This TAX code is worse than horrible. It is worse than evil.


This tax code must be scrapped. And, the only way that will happen is to make Congress PERSONALLY responsible for it. Not the IRS. But Congress.


For a first step I propose that every Congressman and most especially the SENATORS must do their own taxes, and show us, the people that they have done them. I can assure you that one week of non-stop tax preparation will be enough to cause such a fury for change in Washington that it would rival the eruption of Mount St. Helen in ferocity. Congress needs to be help accountable for this travesty.


Thank you for listening to my rant. I am quite confident that others will begin to rant as soon as they start to do their taxes.


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To: vannrox
<rant>

The duplicity of Congress, all of them, is obvious. Every couple of years critters from both sides of the aisle weep and moan about the injustices of the marriage penalty. Speeches are made, the sanctity of the bond of marriage is trotted out, the media is duly informed that "something must be done". And yet nothing changes.

Note to Congress: It's not quantum physics, people, it's a law - just like the 100+ laws you enacted in your last session. So make it happen or for Gods sake SHUT UP ABOUT IT!

</rant> Thank you for listening.

21 posted on 02/01/2002 6:54:55 AM PST by m1911
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To: Inge_CAV
"Of course, they won't. Our massers won't descend to the level they've put us on. Must be nice being more equal than others."

I have seen some of our elected officials make an attempt to show how ridiculous our tax code is and on live television at that. However, no progress has ever been made.

Yes. But they never do it during election season, and they don't dramatize the taxes right before the election, either.

It would only take a 2% tax cut to really show the people what their taxes really are: there should be an income tax withholding holiday on the third week in October. No income tax would be deducted on that paycheck, which would exactly balance a tax cut equal to 100% times 7/365 (=1.9178%).

So the next to the last week before the election, you would get your paycheck without any income tax withheld. The last week before the election, you would only get the same net you get on the typical week--and if that doesn't make you think about how much income tax you really do pay, nothing will.

22 posted on 02/01/2002 6:56:37 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: maryz
Not sure but I think you are right.

: )

23 posted on 02/01/2002 6:58:51 AM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: vannrox
I've believed for a long time that our elected officials consider themselves "elite", and above us lowly citizens.

How bout these ideas;

1.) Elected officials make the average salary of the working American.

2.) Elected officials and their staffs live in dorms, and eat in a cafeteria while in D.C., and pay for the rent and food

3.) Elected officials must spend a minimum of 5 months in their home districts.

4.) Elected officials pay out of their salary into their retirement fund, medicare, FICA, SS, etc... 5.) Elected officials cannot serve more than 3 terms in any elected office.

How's that for a start...I got more...

24 posted on 02/01/2002 6:59:36 AM PST by g'nad
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To: vannrox
BTW, great post...thanks...
25 posted on 02/01/2002 7:00:12 AM PST by g'nad
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"Yes. But they never do it during election season, and they don't dramatize the taxes right before the election, either."

You are right, they do not. To the best of my memory this was some time right after the 94 election.

26 posted on 02/01/2002 7:06:35 AM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: vannrox
What's that old saying "Ignorance of the law is no excuse", how can this apply when no one knows what the (incert expletive here)thing says?
27 posted on 02/01/2002 7:09:40 AM PST by Valin
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To: vannrox
When we got our 1040's & started to read through them, my mind went numb. They're incomprehensible to us. It's like they were written in some bizarre foreign language, using idioms from Chinese, Urdu, Hungarian, Russian and a Mayan dialect, somehow put in a blender, then poured on the page & printed.

And we still have to content with the state tax forms.

28 posted on 02/01/2002 7:10:11 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: 1Old Pro
It must be nice to have a job where you can name your own pay raises and benefits.
I hear a lot of noise in the press about deficit spending, and how the tax cuts should be abolished, and yet I hear nothing about the legislators giving back their latest pay hike.
29 posted on 02/01/2002 7:10:57 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: Night Hides Not

Contract with America!
30 posted on 02/01/2002 7:11:29 AM PST by Mike-o-Matic
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To: LoneGOPinCT; AmericanInTokyo; TexasNative2000; Constitution Day; BOBTHENAILER; M Kehoe...
Bump for your comments.
31 posted on 02/01/2002 7:14:57 AM PST by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Perhaps if Congress were bill-able for the costs of an accountant (they force us to incur this cost) the tax form would be made simple enough for anyone to fill out. Recently, here in the UK, it cost me more to get my taxes done than the amount I owed.
32 posted on 02/01/2002 7:15:35 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: vannrox;all
First of all, this is why I use the "Turbo Tax" program; it greatly simplifies taxes, at least for me.

Secondly, I'm pretty sure that if you contribute to an IRA, with pre-taxable income, even though you do have to report the contribution, it's not taxable until you reach 65. This of course means you can't use the money until then, but it at least saves some money, since it lowers your taxable income now. Also, I'm not sure about this, but I think when you reach 65, I think the only thing that would be taxed then would be any money you would withdrawl, and that would be taxed as income then, not retroactively.

Hope this helps! I'm no tax expert, as I'm sure some who are here can tell. < wink >

33 posted on 02/01/2002 7:17:11 AM PST by FourtySeven
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To: g'nad; vannrox
I think g' is on to something even better. I would add to his list that their session be held during the 31 days of August in D.C. and they cannot turn on the air conditioning in the buildings.

Better yet, let's just kill the enabling language which created the IRS. What can they do to us if they no longer exist?

34 posted on 02/01/2002 7:18:07 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: vannrox
Great post, great idea. Thanks.
35 posted on 02/01/2002 7:24:49 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER
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To: vannrox
good idea, great post, unfortunately it will never happen.
BTTT
36 posted on 02/01/2002 7:25:35 AM PST by vin-one
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To: anniegetyourgun
Glad you approve...nice to know I'm not out to lunch...
37 posted on 02/01/2002 7:30:59 AM PST by g'nad
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To: vannrox
I think that'd be great.
38 posted on 02/01/2002 7:31:20 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
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To: vannrox
How about this quote from the scumbag who crashed the peoples write to address thier grievences in Washington -

"Our country has labored under a federal income tax system that is inconsistent with the liberty of a free people." -- Rep. Roscoe Bartlett

39 posted on 02/01/2002 7:31:32 AM PST by patriot_wes
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To: g'nad
Well, I dunno - my opinion isn't worth much!
40 posted on 02/01/2002 7:44:39 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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