Posted on 01/30/2002 3:51:59 PM PST by AAABEST
With Conservative Like This, Who Needs Liberals?
Let me start off by addressing those who have been bashing(and I do mean bash) me and other well intentioned and well known Freepers as being anti-Bush, Libertarians, from the reform party or whatever.
I voted for GWB, and I can ping several freepers to this thread that met me in real life at several Bush rallies (with megaphone in hand). I was a member of the Broward County Young Republicans before moving to the West coast of Florida and I was active in Jeb Bush's campaign for Governor.
I've been on this forum for almost 4 years and anyone that knows me is aware of my conservative views and knows that I'm not a member of the reform party, I'm not a Libertarian (large "l") or any of the other things I and others like me have been accused of.
If you have been engaging in inflammatory rhetoric, bashing long-time, well known Freepers or acting like children because not all of us are enthralled with "Georges Big Government Adventure", please try to control yourselves, at least while posting on this thread.
It's not my purpose (at least at this point) to get GWB un-elected, I like him, he has a beautiful wife, he's a good Commander in Chief and he seems like an honest politician. However, if he keeps ignoring conservative principles and promoting a larger more intrusive government, I and others can no longer continue to support him....on principle.
We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.
Above is the Free Republic mission statement. After his first year, would anyone say that GWB has worked towards this end? I think many conservatives suffer from some kind of Stockholm Syndrome as a result of 8 years of President Clinton, because when I ask many of them what GWB has done for conservatism lately, all I get is that he's not Clinton.
I know he's not a corrupt, law breaking scoundrel, but is that all that's required? Can our republic survive a cycle where Republicans get into office grow government greatly, interspersed with Democrats who grow government even more greatly with little or no reduction? There are actually people on FR that think all of this growth in government spending is some grandiose 8 year plan by Mr. Bush to fool Democrats so that he can cut government later. What an absurd notion.
If any of the initiatives below originated from the Clinton administration, people on FR would have had a cow. Those "Day in the Life of President Bush" threads garner hundreds of fawning responses, while a thread on how our government is growing out of control will die after 10.
I appeal to anyone reading this to consider the below information without bias. The links will open in a separate window for you convenience. I will be adding to this information as necessary God bless America, God bless this forum and God bless you.
Click on the Picture of the President (thinking of new ways grow government) for the corresponding article.
You libertarians remind me of my old uncle just before he died.
He thought everybody was crazy but him.
What a great place for conversation !!
There are those who have never ceased to say very earnestly, "Something is going to happen to the American form of government if we don't watch out." These were the innocent disarmers. Their trust was in words. They had forgotten their Aristotle. More than 2,000 years ago he wrote of what can happen within the form, when "one thing takes the place of another, so that the ancient laws will remain, while the power will be in the hands of those who have brought about revolution in the state."
Worse outwitted were those who kept trying to make sense of the New Deal from the point of view of all that was implicit in the American scheme, charging it therefore with contradiction, fallacy, economic ignorance, and general incompetence to govern.
But it could not be so embarrassed and all that line was wasted, because, in the first place, it never intended to make that kind of sense, and secondly, it took off from nothing that was implicit in the American scheme. It took off from a revolutionary base. The design was European. Regarded from the point of view of revolutionary technic it made perfect sense. Its meaning was revolutionary and it had no other. For what it meant to do it was from the beginning consistent in principle, resourceful, intelligent, masterly in workmanship, and it made not one mistake.
The test came in the first one hundred days.
No matter how carefully a revolution may have been planned there is bound to be a crucial time. That comes when the actual seizure of power is taking place. In this case certain steps were necessary. They were difficult and daring steps. But more than that, they had to be taken in a certain sequence, with forethought and precision of timing. One out of place might have been fatal. What happened was that one followed another in exactly the right order, not one out of time or out of place.
Having passed this crisis, the New Deal went on from one problem to another, taking them in the proper order, according to revolutionary technic; and if the handling of one was inconsistent with the handling of another, even to the point of nullity, that was blunder in reverse. The effect was to keep people excited about one thing at a time, and divided, while steadily through all the uproar of outrage and confusion a certain end, held constantly in view, was pursued by main intention.
The end held constantly in view was power.
In a revolutionary situation mistakes and failures are not what they seem. They are scaffolding. Error is not repealed. It is compounded by a longer law, by more decrees and regulations, by further extensions of the administrative hand. As deLawd said in The Green Pastures, that when you have passed a miracle you have to pass another one to take care of it, so it was with the New Deal. Every miracle it passed, whether it went right or wrong, had one result. Executive power over the social and economic life of the nation was increased. Draw a curve to represent the rise of executive power and look there for the mistakes. You will not find them. The curve is consistent.
At the end of the first year, in his annual message to the Congress, January 4, 1934, President Roosevelt said: "It is to the eternal credit of the American people that this tremendous readjustment of our national life is being accomplished peacefully."
Peacefully if possible of course.
But the revolutionary historian will go much further. Writing at some distance in time he will be much less impressed by the fact that it was peacefully accomplished than by the marvelous technic of bringing it to pass not only within the form but within the word, so that people were all the while fixed in the delusion that they were talking about the same things because they were using the same words. Opposite and violently hostile ideas were represented by the same word signs. This was the American people's first experience with dialectic according to Marx and Lenin.
Until it was too late few understood one like Julius C. Smith, of the American Bar Association, saying: "Is there any labor leader, any businessman, any lawyer or any other citizen of America so blind that he cannot see that this country is drifting at an accelerated pace into administrative absolutism similar to that which prevailed in the governments of antiquity, the governments of the Middle Ages, and in the great totalitarian governments of today? Make no mistake about it. Even as Mussolini and Hitler rose to absolute power under the forms of law... so may administrative absolutism be fastened upon this country within the Constitution and within the forms of law."
THE REVOLUTION WAS
by Garet Garrett: 1938
continued at link.
Who is we? I have nothing whatsoever to do with you or any group you represent.
I want SMALLER government, and I want the process to start now. I don't expect it to be completed anytime soon. But I want it to START NOW. Advocating larger government is going in the wrong direction.
I am being realistic, but people like you are not.
Well finally an honest man. He admits that Bush is running right over the citizens.
Shall we name some others who had overwhelming popular support while in power?
He thought everybody was crazy but him.
You Republican cheerleaders remind me of the Germans in 1939. They venerated their beloved leader in about the same numbers as you lemmings. They thought that they were the master race. They thought every German who couldn't see it was crazy but them.
If you think Republicans will give you smaller government, you are quite literally crazy. But then again, I'm guessing you don't really want smaller government.
PS, if the people around your uncle were like you, I think he was correct.
We can't reach them until we're all ready to give our lives, our liberty, our fortunes, and our sacred honor to reverse the damage.
I'm not talking about revolution - I'm talking about resistance. We need to be ready to stand up and make the unfettered, unconstitutional agencies and forces within the Federal Government show what they really are and how the compel us to do what they wish - and that is through force or the threat of force.
We need to come to a point where we resist compliance to unconstitutional regulations, etc. and to force the government into a position where they have to come at us with guns and force and jail us or kill us just for ignoring or breaking a silly EPA, OSHA, or whatever agency regulation. The raw force which compels us to comply needs to be exposed for all to see. We need a new Boston Tea Party, it needs to be organized, and it needs to be nationwide.
We are not at the revolution stage yet - but it is time for widespread resistance. I hope that Free Republic can be a big part of that. The trouble is, FR is already infected with the same brain-washed socialists and statists that have infiltrated and subverted the Republican Party (see Southack) and they're shouting down any concern about or dissent against government expanding programs.
That's a mere fraction of the tax cut. The 28% and 31% tax brackets haven't even been cut yet. Bush is now pushing for immediate and permanent reductions!
Most people believe it can't happen in America. Most Germans didn't believe it would happen to them either.
As would I, but how can such a person rise from the quagmire to popularity? If he speaks his mind, he is attacked on his views. As you and others know, firm resolve and principles, lead one to look hard line. If he freely represents himself, he leaves himself open to mistakes, which will be used against him. I'm not advocating PJB, but before he left the Republican party, he was highly thought of. After, of course, he is anti-Semitic, a traitor, and a thief of govt funds. All because of his stated belief, that the system is so closed, that a contender cannot rise, without the backing of the power elite that controls such undertakings, and his try at an end run around the controls imposed by the two party system.
The first person to bring up Nazi Germany loses
Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.
I will be willing to bet you, that after 8 years, we will see 8 consecutive budgets, each higher than the one before it, more govt interference in schools and more welfare. If this is true, how can he be measured? Against another big govt Texan, LBJ? Surely not against Ronald Reagan, who cut the size and scope of govt.....Wait a minute, RR cut nothing, he actually presided over the largest increase in federal spending, in history, and of course President Bush the first, who also never met a govt program he would eliminate.
I like GW, as I liked RR, but both of them profess to be fiscal conservatives, and at some point in their political careers railed against big govt. Why can't/won't, or wouldn't they do anything to rein in its power? The only reason I vote Republican, is because of the promises of smaller govt and a return to constitutional limits, so tell me how another 4 years of GW is in my best interests, and why I should continue to support Republican candidates?
Huh? Were you drunk when you typed this?
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