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Facing The Truth About Homosexual Behavior
Traditional Values Coalition ^ | January 29, 2002 | Rev. Louis P. Sheldon

Posted on 01/29/2002 5:13:49 AM PST by simicyber

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To: Republic
A nice post, but I disagree. The government is not the problem, homosexuals are the problem. If they want to pursue their sexual proclivities in silence, attending their homosexual clubs, steam baths, private parties, at home trysts, whatever....SO BE IT. They have always been able to do this. It is their drive to get special attention, to get rights for being perverted, to numb down those revolted by homosexual activity until they deem it an acceptable practice, in other words, their drive to come OUT OF THE BEDROOM or OUT OF THE CLOSET and still be treated as others, that is the PROBLEM.

And what tool do homosexuals reach for when trying to force their unwanted association on others? Government. They appeal to the ridiculous notion that people are entitled to access the property of others agianst their will, through affirmative action and anti-discrimination laws. But discrimination is a right. No one has the right to access the property of an unwilling property owner. No one has the right to join a club which doesn't want them. No one has a right to employment from an unwilling employer. But government destroys the legitimate rights of the business owners, and employers, and clubs, and associations, in the name of the false "civil rights" which actually stand in violation of legitimate rights.

And what other tools do homosexual activists use? Why they use the public schools of course. They sneak in, assert their agenda, and they do so by gaining control of the school infrastructure. But the problem here, is the very EXISTENCE of public schools. They are socialistic by nature, and they compel unwilling individuals to pay for the advancement of ideas they don't approve of (which is fundamentally immoral).

But rather than argue for the restoration of the legitimate right of free association, and the elimination of public schools, people calling themselves "conservatives" mistakenly reach for the same tool that their opposition is using. They reach for government.

And so homosexual activists and confused "conservatives" are locked in a death struggle for control of the "big government stick". They both want to use the stick to beat their enemies into submission. And both are unmindful of the fact that it is the existence of the stick (government subjugation of legitimate rights) which is the problem.

And what happens each time people appeal to government to control their neighbors, and force them to conform? Why government grows larger and more intrusive of course, and things we used to recognize as rights fall by the wayside.

And so it goes.

Liberty is the only answer, but neither side will reach for it, and they will eventually destroy what's left of the republic in their struggle.

61 posted on 01/29/2002 6:43:03 AM PST by OWK
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To: HENRYADAMS
It violates my Will(and the Will of the majority) Under modern theories of law "Will" is the basis of law see e.g. CC 22 "Law is an expression of will.

This is perhaps the most utterly stupid thing I have ever read.

62 posted on 01/29/2002 6:44:26 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological.

You and your sodomite buddies insist on shoving your disgugisting culture of in death in peoples' faces and using government abuse of power to make them accept what everyone know is wrong. You trash suborn public education to brainwash children. You nazis extort my tax dollars to treat your disgusting diseases, so stuff your false victinology and go back to n.a.m.b.l.a. where you belong.

63 posted on 01/29/2002 6:44:34 AM PST by Unbeliever
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To: discostu
I'm not saying gays should stay in the closet, that's wrong. I am saying gays (and most of them do this BTW, it's the pride marchers that are a problem) should deal with their sexuality on the same level straight America does; that being you keep it behind closed doors where it belongs. There's no reason to be marching down the street wearing nothing but your sexual accoutrement. It's rude, it's wrong and one of these days somebody is going to decide they can't take this crap anymore and go after the "parade" with a baseball bat.

Exactly, except I think that EVERYONE's sexual proclivities should stay in the closet. I don't want someone's sexual preferance to be the first think I know about that person. It is not a qualifier on any grounds, it does not signify race, it does not signify religion, it does not signify anything other than basically, the truth be told, where you get your sexual satisfaction. WHO NEEDS TO KNOW THIS? And if people who are kinky, or who like to achieve sexual gratification with someone of their own sexual persuasion persist in forcing their bedroom preferance on the rest of us, well, they can simply suffer the consequence. That's life.

64 posted on 01/29/2002 6:45:48 AM PST by Republic
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To: Unbeliever
You and your sodomite buddies insist on shoving your disgugisting culture of in death in peoples' faces and using government abuse of power to make them accept what everyone know is wrong. You trash suborn public education to brainwash children. You nazis extort my tax dollars to treat your disgusting diseases, so stuff your false victinology and go back to n.a.m.b.l.a. where you belong.

Actually read the thread, then get back to me.

Dolt.

65 posted on 01/29/2002 6:46:13 AM PST by OWK
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To: HENRYADAMS
The logical thing to do is "JUST SAY NO!"

You can't legislate "choices." :~)

sw

66 posted on 01/29/2002 6:48:23 AM PST by spectre
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To: Illbay
The Libertine Fascist Front has spoken!

What is the point of posting drivel like this?

67 posted on 01/29/2002 6:52:41 AM PST by Askel5
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To: OWK
Some excellent work on your part.

In addition to combating public schools, can't we attack the enforcing of one's personal "morality" on others whenever and wherever we see it ... including the promotion of homosexuality in the schools?

68 posted on 01/29/2002 6:58:04 AM PST by Askel5
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To: helmsman
Some are saying "adults only" but can you expect children not to see through the hypocrisy of "do what I say not what I do?"

Others are crying in the way of individualism, "Liberty!" But is not an abused and excessive liberty somehow close to the key to this whole issue? From Adam on, the fall of man, into whatever sin, is always under cloak of "liberty!"

In a survey published in The Australian Jan 16, many people admit to having fornicated or masturbated in public; you can go to live-sex shows; a reporter for The Age observed nudists masturbating in the sand dunes. You have mentioned open displays of fellatio. So how long before homosexual acts are performed in public?

While applauding every new deviant form of degradation, the media carefully avoid saying what the practice of homosexuality actually is. That is no accident, as the essay above itself observed. In all FR posts today, not one person has defined the homosexual act.

If someone from a more innocent planet were to pick up on this thread, he, she or it would not know what we are talking about. If it were stated, would journalists and politicians still say they support it? If it were defined, would not children be naturally revolted?

So, what is the practice of homosexuality? It is sodomy. What is sodomy? It is anal sex. What is anal sex?

It is when a man puts his erect penis into the anus, or poo-hole, of another man, or in the case of child molestation into the anus of a child, and makes like a dog in the street until emission of semen occurs.

Sacred human seed is thus mingled with faeces, with all the symbolism which that entails.

Btw, is Genesis 18-19 at all informative to those of you who have never yet read it? Your response would be interesting to know.

69 posted on 01/29/2002 7:03:16 AM PST by pxaus1
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To: OWK
It is stupid because you are apparently ignorant as to the sources and mesaning of law. Go study. You have been cited to a code section. CC 22.
70 posted on 01/29/2002 7:05:12 AM PST by HENRYADAMS
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To: HENRYADAMS
It is stupid because you are apparently ignorant as to the sources and mesaning (sic) of law.

Uhhhh.... yeah, that must be it.

71 posted on 01/29/2002 7:07:25 AM PST by OWK
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To: HENRYADAMS
OWK has tables(law-reason-logic) of play dough in his head--blocks-marbles too!
72 posted on 01/29/2002 7:09:08 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: OWK
I think this obsession with controlling the private sexuality of consenting adults in their own bedrooms, is pathological.

This is the sh-t waving the stick.(No off-color double-entendre intended)!The obsession lies with the homosexuals' insistence that;
1.You and I agree that their "life-style" is no different morally than heterosexuality.
2.That anyone who believes that homosexuality is wrong is guilty of a crime!
3.Regardless of what you think about the matter,your children should be taught from an early age that this is an acceptable alternative to normal,heterosexual relations.

At least you chose to use two words,pathology and obsession,that are indispensible in any frank discussion of this issue.

Hic dicta,I agree with your assertion that the issue of what people do in the privacy of their homes is not the proper business of government at any level.

73 posted on 01/29/2002 7:10:09 AM PST by kennyo
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To: helmsman
"Adult material is just that-for adults."

Yes. And I know you were just kidding, but I do think that if you, an adult, want to see pornography it's up to you. You should have access to such things if you want it. I've seen plenty. People should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others. I think that's what you call the pursuit of happiness.

74 posted on 01/29/2002 7:13:33 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: OWK
Here comes the shopping cart pictures of me..right!
75 posted on 01/29/2002 7:14:15 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
OWK has tables(law-reason-logic) of play dough in his head--blocks-marbles too!

Although it was of no particular value, that almost qualified as a semi-lucid moment for you.

Keep at it, and you'll make a whole sentence one day.

76 posted on 01/29/2002 7:14:42 AM PST by OWK
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To: pxaus1
Sacred human seed is thus mingled with faeces, with all the symbolism which that entails.

Dude, you need to find a new preoccupation.

This one clearly has you thinking about it far too much.

77 posted on 01/29/2002 7:17:18 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
I propose that all public schools be ELIMINATED.

Finally, we agree on something.

78 posted on 01/29/2002 7:18:14 AM PST by freedomson
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To: spectre
Legislatures are always dealing with choices. For a law is a command to do or to refrain from engaging in certain conduct. Those to whom the law is given have a choice. This is true of all laws. Go over 70 and run the risk of a ticket. Murder someone and run the risk of death. Sodomize someone and run the risk of jail. That is the way it has been, is now, and will be. Lament, weep, wail but it will not change. All the OUGHTS in the world will not make an IS.

The current problem is WHO is giving the law, and to WHOM is the law given.

79 posted on 01/29/2002 7:18:49 AM PST by HENRYADAMS
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To: OWK
I know what you mean. I wish I hadn't read his post.
80 posted on 01/29/2002 7:20:41 AM PST by Savage Beast
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