Posted on 01/25/2002 10:51:07 AM PST by miltonim
OUCH! That one hurt!
I never thought in a million years I would agree with an atheist, but I do agree with you somewhat on your post. Or at least I can see where you would get the idea.
I belong to an extremely conservative church and you would have to search high and low to find ONE pro choicer. I'm not exaggerating either. I don't think I've ever even met one in my 33 years of being a member of this church. However, I have never known one of them to "work" at pro-life issues. About 7 years ago I finally met two of them who worked at a crisis pregnancy center. (One of them abopted my sister's baby BTW). Granted you will hear sermons or discussions on abortion once a week, but most of them dont do anything about it.
I shouldn't be so hard on my church (or should I?). Up until I became really active in the pro-life movement, the only religious people I knew who "worked" the issue were Catholics (putting us to shame). Now I know many more individuals from different denominations who work hard on this issue.
I hate to say it, but you could sadly be right on this. I'll have to think about what you said some more, examine my life and vocally encourage others in my church to be more active, better than I have been in the past.
I hope you won't be bitter towards Christians because of this issue. We love the Lord and all his children deeply with all our heart and soul. I will admit we should all work harder. I do disagree with you though about heaven. Millions of dead children are in heaven waiting for their mama's and daddy's, and are nice and snug in Gods lap. Hopefully mothers and fathers of dead children will come to repentance. The idea of seeing their dead children again some day is what keeps many of them going, and contributes to their change of heart. As a Christian I can honestly say, the promise of heaven is all I live for (besides my sweet husband and my two precious humans).
I have a great deal of respect for you. Thanks for all you say and do.
(PS: You won't find a basketball court at our church and our houses of worship are built extremely plain and simple on purpose).
I have a daily reminder of abortion's greatest lie. His name is Tommy, and he is my 3-year-old brother. When he looks at me with his big blue eyes, I know the color of those eyes was determined at the moment of fertilization.
When Tommy comes running to me from across the yard and jumps into my arms, I can feel his heart pounding against my chest. At three weeks, the heart of a fetus in the womb starts to beat. Tommy's beating heart at 3 years of age is the same beating heart as the one at 3 weeks of age in his mother's womb.
When my brother comes in my bed to get warmed up at night, he starts kicking. At 7 weeks, the baby is already starting to kick, but the mother does not feel it until 41/2 months.
At dinner or supper when Tommy likes to eat, he has to swallow all of his food, this is the same swallowing that Tommy started when he was 8 weeks in his mother's womb.
In Church, Tommy loves to climb across the pews, under the pews, across our laps, or say, "When is Church going to be over?" He can never sit still. This hyperness began when Tommy was inside his mother's womb at 9 weeks.
When Tommy wraps his fingers around my hand, or grabs a piece of candy, or tightly holds the string of a balloon so it won't sail off into the sky, those are the same hands that at 10-11 weeks can seize an object that is placed in the hand.
When Tommy and I wrestle on the floor, and we're laughing, and all of a sudden Tommy asks, "Lindsey, smell my feet!" Those are the same feet that were perfectly shaped at 11 weeks.
Tommy developed all of his body parts at 12 weeks. At 13-14 weeks into pregnancy, Tommy started pumping several quarts of blood through the body every day. At 18 weeks he was perfectly formed. Inside his mother, Tommy could have been legally killed, but outside of his mother, Tommy is fully protected by law.
How can anybody say that Tommy was not a human being when he was in his mother's womb? How can anybody say that Tommy couldn't feel pain in his mother's womb? How can anybody say that Tommy's mother can kill Tommy just because he is still in her womb? People who believe abortion is cool say that Tommy was just a mass of tissue inside his mother's womb. That is abortion's greatest lie.
As reported in a Telegraph Herald story
I'm saving this picture, too, Gramma! It is wonderful, and very telling, even for someone who is trying NOT to see.
I can't wait to send it to my oldest daughter, who is eleven weeks pregnant with our first grandchild. I'm so thankful she knows what is truly inside her body, and that she cherishes every cell of that little life.
You totally lost me there.
I appreciate your pro-life point of view and respect the intelligent posts Ive seen you make (although I cant say Ive agreed with you most of the time). :)
I don't believe that there is some "Greater Power" that assigns "value" to objects in the universe such that humans are somehow "superior" to rocks in the eyes of some imaginary greater being. I do believe that humans, as a whole, tend to value human life over rocks, and they behave accordingly.
And now for a great big AUUUGGGHHHH!!!!!. I'm sorry but I just don't get it, being an atheist and all. I really don't. I don't get it. I can't, I can't, I can't. I try to put myself in others shoes to feel what they feel and this is probably the only thing in life I just cannot comprehend or even fathom.
What have you got to lose by believing in God? It's so easy really. Can't you just try for 24 hours? Just give it a try and see what happens. I just absolutely cannot believe for one minute there ISN'T a "greater power" in the universe assigning a value of human superiority (over rocks and tadpoles).
UGH!!!!!! I'm sorry but I can't continue this discussion without getting off topic of this beautiful picture thread. You are welcome to freepmail me if you care to do so. Maybe if you would explain to me privately why you dont believe there is a God, perhaps there is a chance I could come to understand your point of view better. I would like to understand
BTW, God is NOT imaginary. Just because you dont believe he is here, doesnt mean he isnt.
Well, 1st of all a rock isn't alive...
Unless maybe it's a talking rock...
That hangs out with a talking snake.
Are they both not the result of the same mindless process? Sure, you can shout assertions that life has value all day long, but if you have no foundation for doing so other than your personal whim, your shouting won't mean much to anyone with critical thinking skills.
Bud, your critical thinking skills couldn't fill your diaper.
It is very difficult for women emotionally to miscarry, lots of hugs and understanding go along way. Grieve with her -- A word to the wise ....
I think its very, very, very tragic of you to put the only true and living God in the same category with Allah/Brahma/Cthulhu/Uri Geller/John Edwards/Bill Clinton John Edwards? Bill Clinton???? BILL CLINTON???????? GROSS!!!
"Try it for 24 hours."
Ummm
I did
I tried it for about 4 years. Well, maybe I just tried Agnosticism, bordering on Atheism. When I say I don't understand it very well, I mean I don't understand why someone else could deny God. I know why I did it...I was a miserable human being and hated him. I wanted nothing to do with any belief in a supreme being or any stupid, ignorant, cultish organized religion. There is no God
humans made it all up. We are all on our own. But I can't put that off on you or any other atheist. You probably have your own reasons. Mine was because my heart was full of hate, and it was stubborn and rebellious. I didnt want anyone, including a made up supreme being telling me what to do.
Yes.
If so, then you cannot assign one value and the other none. In your head, you might, but it would not be an objective value, and my argument would still hold, and the pro-choice position would be reached.
Then why am I not pro-choice ?
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