GAY PRO-LIFE LEADERS ARRESTED AT NATIONAL PRO-LIFE MARCH

www.PLAGAL.org ^ | Jan 22, 2002 | PLAGAL

[helmsman]

Howdy Artist. Thanks for the bump!

[livius]

Several years ago, I participated in a March for Life in DC and was amazed, after a day of solidarity around the pro-life cause, to see Nellie Gray stand up and launch into a denunciation of homosexuals. As far as I could see, it was completely unprovoked. Whatever her opinions or those of anyone else on the subject, we were not there for that reason, and it seemed to confuse a number of people in the crowd. Someone near me told me told that Nellie Gray sometimes let her personal obsessions get in the way of her very fine pro-life work, and I guess this is still the case.

I remember once someone asked Dorothy Day why she would associate with non-pacifists (she was a near-fanatical pacifist, of course) on other issues, and she replied that people had to agree upon what they could agree upon in a particular context, and leave the other disputes for some other time and place. Very sensible advice, I think. After all, the next generation won't even have the fun of arguing about homosexuals - if the next generation is never born. This is too crucial a matter to alienate any supporters whatsoever.

[ArGee]

So is it really so important, then, that those who would like to help protect the unborn are morally pure?

From the point of view of them being active in protecting the unborn? No. But I prefer not to march with them.

Shalom.

[Cu Roi]

Arresting homosexuals is good for society and the nation.

First arrest the fundies. They're even more annoying.

Pretty much the same thing. I hate to be crass, but when's the last time you think that march organizer actually put out? I know it's rude to talk about, but people around here seem to obsess over what homosexuals do in the bedroom with excruciating detail.

When I see some 28 year old male virgin boasting on TV about how he's never even Frenched a girl...if anyone is in need of one of those ex-gay ministries it's people like that.

[ArGee]

I haven't seen either of you comment on whether you would want Klansmen for Life or Ganstas for Life in the rally.

Is every enemy of my enemy my friend?

Shalom.

[ArGee]

but we have all sinned

But do we all claim that our sins are not sins and demand that G-d accept them?

There is a slight difference.

Shalom.

[Diamond]

They were simply carrying the PLAGAL Banner -- which states the organization's name and "Human Rights Start When Human Life Begins

I think it is possible that they were there to convey by delusional analogy the message that "Pro-Life = Pro-Homosexual".

Getting arrested was also probably another one of their intended objectives.

Cordially,

[helmsman]

That's what you think, but your rational viewpoint has been prejudiced by being raised in a culture with a primarily Christian morality.

Well that's interesting. I was brought up in a broken home (you have no idea how broken) in the middle of liberalville and I'd been pro-abortion (not merely pro-choice mind you, but pro-abortion) for most of my life. You know what changed my mind? I opened an embryology textbook...

[Psalm 73]

"And pulling a dumb stunt like this..."

After starting your comment by deriding the way she looks, you follow by drawing a conclusion based on (at most) half of the facts.
Have you ever heard of a "discerning spirit"? That is when you "intuitively" get a clue as to the true motives of another.
The homosexuals ALWAYS have first and foremost the pushing of thier agenda no matter the venue.
Boy Scouts, 2nd Amendment, charity/community service work, politics, police work, armed service, saving babies from slaughter. It doesn't matter, they ALL come second to The Homosexual Agenda.

[ArGee]

You know what changed my mind? I opened an embryology textbook...

I'm glad to hear it (and sorry to hear how you were raised and glad to see how you have not let that shackle you - but I digress). But why do you care what happens to somebody else's baby?

Shalom.

[steve-b]

I am deeply disturbed that a single woman is attempting to dictate who can and cannot declare him or herself a pro-lifer.

[Teacup]

HMMM, There's more to this story, IMHO. There were seveal of us Freepers there, and I can say, the walk was peaceful and very well done. Everyone there was in their best behavior, with lots of prayers being said, and lots of singing. Something doesn't make sense.

[Psalm 73]

"I hate to be crass, but when's the last time you think that march organizer actually put out?"

Oh, that's a real mature comment. What are you, like 12?

[Cu Roi]

I see you conveniently neglected to quote the rest of my post. I am not the one who takes an undue interest in the sex lives of others. That would be Miss Gray, and a number of others on this forum.

[cake_crumb]

Darn. Grey has now, with this single action, given pro-choice groups ammo with which to discredit the pro-life movement.

[helmsman]

But why do you care what happens to somebody else's baby?

I know where you're going with this, but I refuse to entertain the notion that a reasoning individual cannot see the inherent injustice in murdering another individual who is innocent. If only to preserve a general respect for human life, and the social order it brings, one can rationally see the importance of opposing abortion.

[JenB]

I stick by my words. It was a stupid move because it's almost certainly what the homosexual group was hoping for. I don't think the word 'diversity' is a magic touchstone, but it could be a good thing to demonstrate that it's not 'just' right-wing conservative Christians who want to end abortion.

Causing a ruckus is not a good way to promote our cause; what do you think will be reported now, how many thousands of people showed up, or that "pro-life groups order peaceful homosexuals arrested", which is how the media will spin it?

Also I was disappointed that, when we were standing there for at last 90 minutes listening to various political groups, there were only two Protestant ministers invited. (If I'm wrong on this let me know.) I have been told that the march is organized by the Knights of Columbus and that they are strict about who they let speak; is this true?

[Poohbah]

HMMM, There's more to this story, IMHO. There were seveal of us Freepers there, and I can say, the walk was peaceful and very well done. Everyone there was in their best behavior, with lots of prayers being said, and lots of singing. Something doesn't make sense.

Does that "everyone was on their best behavior" include PLAGAL?

If so, then Nellie Gray really messed up.

Feminists For Life gets the same kind of public "dissin'" out here in CA by the local "mainstream" prolife community leadership, for whom I have little love and far less respect.