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Naked Greens
FrontPageMag.com ^ | January 23, 2002 | Lowell Ponte

Posted on 01/23/2002 5:05:23 AM PST by Radioheart

Naked Greens
By Lowell Ponte
Now that new scientific evidence is turning against them, many Greens to advance their own selfishness, ideology and hypocrisy are now turning against science. continue…


TOPICS: Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: caruba; enviralists; globalwarminghoax; michaeldobbs
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1 posted on 01/23/2002 5:05:23 AM PST by Radioheart
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To: Radioheart
There are few things in life as sweet as when environazis and their lies are exposed. I can't get enough of this stuff.

John Stossel should get an award for the show he did exposing the environazis lies and their indoctrination of children.

Others interested in this stuff are strongly urged to read the books of Dixie Lee Ray. Starting with Trashing The Planet. Its out of print if memory serves me right, but it probably can be found.

2 posted on 01/23/2002 5:24:51 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Radioheart
are now turning against science

No surprise here. To the leftist way of looking at things, there is no objective reality. All is ideological and "socially constructed". Science and math can be deconstructed when necessary, too, as has been done with literature and history. No joke: I have read feminist critics complain that science, math, management science, etc. are socially imposed types of thinking that men are better at than women, which helps keep women out of real power . . . Make sure your kids are being taught real math and science in school, not feel good approximations. I wouldn't want people who learned approximate math designing bridges! ;)

My comments go beyond the focus of the author, but it struck a nerve . . .

3 posted on 01/23/2002 5:29:49 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Radioheart
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4 posted on 01/23/2002 5:36:03 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Radioheart;Enviralists;Global Warming Hoax;Green;Landgrab
posted for the FR achives

Naked Greens

FrontPageMagazine.com | January 23, 2002

MANY SOCIALISTS TOOK UP RESIDENCE in the environmental movement, seeing it as a way to undermine capitalism and private property. But justifying extreme governmental power – e.g., the Kyoto global warming treaty or property confiscation for "endangered" species – requires more than ideology, uncertainty, and fear-mongering. It requires science. New scientific evidence is now turning against them, and many Greens to advance their own selfishness, ideology and hypocrisy are turning against science.

Even during the record chills of the late 1970s, while ice clogged the Mississippi River and froze pipes deep beneath Chicago streets, environmentalists warned us not only of a coming ice age but also of global warming, the ruling theoretical orthodoxy among climatologists since the 1920s.

Do not look at the Northern Hemisphere, where human smog and smoke dim incoming sunshine like a manmade volcano, said many eco-scientists. Look instead to the South Pole, which was purportedly warming slightly. Sunlight-dimming pollution from our cars and factories tends to be "latitudinally-bounded," circling the world at roughly the same distance north of the equator. But the fossil fuel "greenhouse gas" CO2, carbon dioxide, spreads evenly throughout Earth’s atmosphere – so the right place to measure our planet’s rising climatic fever, they said, was Antarctica.

But now scientists from NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the University of California Santa Cruz have reported in the journal Science that the giant West Antarctic ice sheet is not melting, as Greenies prophesied, but is getting thicker.

Other scientists from the University of Illinois Chicago have reported in the journal Nature that large areas of Antarctica have not been warming but cooling – by about 1.5 degrees F. per decade from 1986 until 2000.

Antarctica was supposed to warm faster than other parts of world according to computer models used by Kyoto Treaty supporters. Antarctica’s ice (up to 16,000 feet deep in places) was supposed to melt, causing sea level to rise hundreds of feet – submerging New York City and Miami and turning inland cities such as Sacramento, California, into seaports.

"Continental Antarctic cooling," wrote the scientists in Nature, "….poses challenges to models of climate and ecosystem change." Or, as Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon wrote at James Glassman’s techcentralstation.com, "the cooling trend across Antarctica over the past several decades contradicts the computer simulations of significant, catastrophic made-made global warming."

One unworried beach city is Malibu, California. Residents David Geffen and about 100 other Hollywood moguls, stars, and other bigwigs are asserting their private property rights to deny riffraff access to their beaches. "Some of the best, most liberal people in Malibu turned their backs on me over this issue," Malibu-hoos Steve Hoye, former boss of its local Democratic Club. "They are all my friends. But their No. 1 issue is private property rights." They still want government to take your property, of course, but defending their property turned them against even the Sierra Club.

This Club has beaten down those of us with less clout. In Oregon and Washington State loggers lost their jobs to the "Northern Spotted Owl" (indistinguishable from the Southwest’s plentiful Mexican spotted owl) and other "endangered" species such as the fish-farmable Coho salmon.

Westerners have long seen fraud in how the Endangered Species Act is used ideologically to shut down sawmills, tree harvesting, mining and other capitalist enterprises, and to de facto confiscate private property.

Recently seven biologists of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Forest Service, and Washington State were caught in the act of planting hair from the "endangered" Canadian lynx wildcat in two Washington forests. One, the Gifford Pinchot National Forest, was slated for potential intense logging after a favorable spotted owl reassessment.

The government’s "lynx survey" will influence land-use rules in 16 states and 57 national forests. This planted lynx hair could have shut humans out of yet more government land. (When he was mayor of Palm Springs, California, Sonny Bono told how police apprehended environmental activists sneaking an "endangered" desert tortoise into an under-construction housing subdivision they wanted to stop.) Associated Press calls the current eco-sneak scandal "Fur-gate."

The biologists denied guilt, then confessed while claiming they planted the samples only to test whether a lab could identify lynx fur DNA. One retired, six were re-assigned, but none have been fired. A Democratic committee chairman in the Washington legislature says he believes these government employees had good intentions.

"We believe these individuals should be terminated immediately if their guilt is verifiable," wrote Congressmen Scott McInnis (R-Colo.) and James Hansen (R-Utah) to Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman and Interior Secretary Gale Norton. "Even if not criminal….this unethical behavior runs afoul of even the most lackadaisical standard of professional conduct."

"If true, these allegations reveal an unscientific and heavily politicized application of the Endangered Species Act," said Rob Gordon of the National Wilderness Institute. "All the endangered species actions of these same offices are now suspect as possibly being arbitrary and capricious, or worse."

Washington, D.C., Lefties virtually waived environmental review of the planned Woodrow Wilson Bridge to ease their traffic – despite risks, as a January 10 Wall Street Journal editorial sardonically noted, to the bald eagle and other "endangered" species. Pink-and-Green CNN founder Ted Turner sponsors Buffalo shootings for profit and is about to begin mass marketing of bison burgers. But Greens rarely criticize their comrades, saving their fire instead for Scientists who dare to question their dogmas. Now their mantle of scientific and moral superiority is falling away, leaving Green ideology naked for all to see.

Mr. Ponte hosts a national radio talk show Saturdays 6-9 PM Eastern Time (3-6 PM Pacific Time) that can be heard on 213 station and via TalkAmerica.com. The show’s live call-in number is (888) 822-8255. A professional speaker, he is a former Roving Editor for Reader’s Digest.


5 posted on 01/23/2002 5:40:19 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Radioheart
"Science and math can be deconstructed when necessary, too, as has been done with literature and history...

Well, they are certainly TRYING. However, since science must be based on objective reality to exist, they aren't being nearly as successful. Literature and history are pretty easily de-constructed, as in the final analysis, their content is simply opinion (history ought not to be, but historians sold out to the left LONG AGO),

My wife (a scientist) had this argument with a "colleague" (an English major) who was trying to teach engineers how to write better. The English major was into "deconstruction" in a big way. She had a hard time showing how the "law of gravity" could be influenced by "gender perspective", though.

6 posted on 01/23/2002 5:50:01 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Radioheart
Just FYI, there are some interesting pros & cons of links vs. full article posting here:

Folks, Please Post Full Articles When Possible - Archives ...
... Archives Are Important Free Republic Source: My own thoughts Published: December
4, 2001 Author: DoughtyOne Posted on 12/4/01 3:05 AM Pacific by DoughtyOne. ...

FWIW, I do both... and can see the point of "give the site more hits" as well as the "lots of old links dissappear" side.

7 posted on 01/23/2002 6:07:41 AM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
FYI...I did post the full article (refer post #5 above)to 'save' for FR archives.
8 posted on 01/23/2002 6:10:34 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Radioheart
Bump for agreement and so I can find later.
9 posted on 01/23/2002 6:16:12 AM PST by techcor
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To: Wonder Warthog
since science must be based on objective reality to exist, they aren't being nearly as successful.

Yes, real science is/must be based on objective reality. But there is no guarantee that our society will retain the standard of living that progress based upon scientific understanding has enabled, IF society is dumb enough not to pass this knowledge down to future generations as a whole. They might not convince existing science students that the law of gravity is subject to a gender perspective. So they start redefining what science "is" and what math "is" in elementary schools. Those kids won't know any better, unless their parents teach them.

E.G. Math. Well, girls supposedly aren't as good as boys at "traditional" math. [Which as having a BS Mathematics, I find very strange to begin with.] So we "find" a kind of math that "equalizes" -- or better, empowers little girls, since they are "disadvantaged" by traditional math. This makes use of their strength of intuitive thinking. There is no longer an exact, "right" answer to a math problem. You take in all the information, and use your intuition to explain what you "feel" the answer is or should be. Of course kids taught that way will be left behind, because some people are not going to submit to nonsense. However, how many people can the nation afford to have thinking this way and being computationally illiterate? And, as voters, being trained to think emotionally and ideologically rather than logically?

10 posted on 01/23/2002 6:18:42 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Appreciate it- links are a lot faster to do, but aside from that "vanishing" problem, I used to find that a lot of people won't go to them, for some reason. I always seemed to get a lot more replies from the full article than from a link.
11 posted on 01/23/2002 6:19:45 AM PST by backhoe
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To: AMDG&BVMH
Math. Well, girls supposedly aren't as good as boys at "traditional" math. [Which as having a BS Mathematics, I find very strange to begin with.]

It is very true. The proportion of women in hard science courses is small. Take any engineering school, graduate student population in math or math faculty. I'd say that, among math majors, they are 25% of undergraduates, 15% of graduate students and <10% of faculty.

The only field that, IMHO, is worse is computer science. Much to the dismay of this single mathematician.

12 posted on 01/23/2002 6:24:38 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Don't be so lazy, who do you think is going to click on your links, i'm certainly not.
13 posted on 01/23/2002 6:25:13 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Stand Watch Listen
See this thread

Antarctica Shows Little Sign of Global Warming, Study Shows

14 posted on 01/23/2002 6:42:29 AM PST by madfly
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15 posted on 01/23/2002 6:44:34 AM PST by madfly
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To: AmishDude
The proportion of women in hard science courses is small. Take any engineering school, graduate student population in math or math faculty. I'd say that, among math majors, they are 25% of undergraduates, 15% of graduate students and <10% of faculty. The only field that, IMHO, is worse is computer science. Much to the dismay of this single mathematician.

My education (BS -- MBA -- PhD in Industrial Engineering) spanned 20 yrs., and the number of women declined in the "hard" subjects over that time. E.G. Most of the Math majors were girls/women when I was a math major; the guys were taking math for engineering, not as a major. I also worked in programming and systems, there used to be quite a few women. However, I was the only US woman in my PhD program.

My thought: girls/women are "self-selecting" themselves out of higher math and science at an earlier age. There used to be more required core courses; now there is more "choice". Why work hard learning math, after all, when you can get a "real" degree in a "soft" subject like womens' studies? ;)

16 posted on 01/23/2002 6:44:57 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: AMDG&BVMH
I guess it's hard to evaluate these things because I tend to lump any "hard science" together and compare. The fact is that there are plenty of women in Chemistry and especially Biology, but very few in Physics -- American or otherwise. So they aren't self-selecting themselves out of science in general.

I think that girls do self-select themselves out to some extent, but I think that at the top level that there are more men with the mental disease that makes them a good mathematician (or something closely related) than women. But nice to hear that there are some female degenerates like yourself. :)

I'm sure it's complete nonsense, but I happen to believe that the "bell curve" for women has a smaller variance than the one for men when it comes to mathematics. So, when you get to the genious mathematician level (or the mentally challenged level) you tend to see more men.

17 posted on 01/23/2002 7:03:03 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: madfly
Thanks for the heads up!
18 posted on 01/23/2002 7:20:26 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: AMDG&BVMH
"E.G. Math. Well, girls supposedly aren't as good as boys at "traditional" math. [Which as having a BS Mathematics, I find very strange to begin with.] So we "find" a kind of math that "equalizes" -- or better, empowers little girls, since they are "disadvantaged" by traditional math. This makes use of their strength of intuitive thinking. There is no longer an exact, "right" answer to a math problem. You take in all the information, and use your intuition to explain what you "feel" the answer is or should be."

Well, I have this theory that human males have somewhat of a "hard-wired" ability with math from natural selection over thousands of years of using missile weapons (i.e. he who can predict the trajectory of his rock stands the most chance of getting food--and/or of not BEING food!). This is NOT to say that ladies can't also do well at math--just that it comes a bit easier for males.

In a similar vein, I think human females have a similar "hard-wired" superiority with language, as superior communication capacity better enabled them to keep better control of their infant charges, and communicate to other gatherers where to find the local spinach patch. Again, obviously, men can learn to use language effectively--it just comes a bit easier for women.

Sexist remarks aside :), I am not terrifically comfortable with the idea of driving over bridges, riding in airplanes, or working in buildings whose designs were based on "intuitively-derived" mathematics. "Fuzzy math" is the most ridiculous notion yet to come out of the "professional educators" pipeline.

19 posted on 01/23/2002 7:26:51 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Alamo-Girl
Thanks for the heads up!

Farmfriend gave me the Global Warming Hoax ping list! I'm getting connected, lol.

20 posted on 01/23/2002 7:36:45 AM PST by madfly
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