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Wichita Doctor Tiller Plans Free Abortions Today-National Protest Expected
The Topeka Capital Journal ^ | January 19, 2002 2:48AM | Roxana Hegeman

Posted on 01/19/2002 8:10:10 AM PST by codebreaker

Tiller says he preforms free abortions during the year that aren't publicized, and has signed up for the Sedgwick County program offering free health care for disadvantaged people. A first trimester abortion costs about $325.00.

His announcement of the free abortions has galvanized anti-abortion forces, who say people from around the country have called to say they plan to come to Wichita today to for protests and vigils outside his clinic.

"Abortions are not something to hand away like candy at Halloween, abortions are not something like free baloons at a circus," said Troy Newman one of the national leaders for Operation Save America. "Abortions are killing children. Wake up, wake up."

El Dorado pastor Daniel Thompson said abortion opponents are appealing to the people of Wichita to take a "final stand" against Tiller and his abortions.

"This is just another of one of George Tiller's publicity stunts performed at the expense of women and their babies, merely for his own personal profit," said Joan Hawkins, director of Kansans for Life. "What he is losing in revenue today he is more than making up with all the attention from the media."


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To: RKBA_Champ
... Well then YOU go force her to not have that abortion but leave me out of it.

I'd LOVE to be able to change her mind. I'm not allowed to go near her. It's harrassment, don'tchaknow? I'm the bad guy if I try to persuade her not to have that abortion. The CPC's are "bad". Look at what's happening in New York! I'd LOVE to be able to change PP's manner of business. Wouldn't it be neat if they'd push adoption? Heck, they could even take a cut in the $$ as long as they'd stop their killing. Such a dream world I live in.

It's between her and her Maker.

All the MORE reason for we pro-lifers to want to reach the girls.

82 posted on 01/19/2002 1:47:59 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: RKBA_Champ
Most other"civilized" countries of the World forbid abortion or only allow abortion in the first trimester for rape, incest or the life of the mother. Most also require tyhis surgery to take place in hospitals.

Not this country. Our Roe V Wade Court said anything goes.

Our current Supreme Court "majority" ruled in favor of the abortionist -- who on record described in every gory detail -- his method of partial birth abortion up to end of third trimester.

Published Thursday
April 20, 2000

Dilation and Extraction Procedure Surfaced in 1992
rBrBY JUDITH NYGREN,WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER

At the heart of Nebraska's "partial-birth" abortion ban is a procedure pioneered by a Cincinnati doctor.

Dr. Martin Haskell presented a paper in early 1992 detailing what he called dilation and extraction. The anti-abortion movement has labeled it "partial-birth" abortion. As outlined by Haskell, the procedure involves dilating a woman's cervix over a three-day period. On the third day, the surgeon uses forceps to grab a leg of a living fetus and pulls it into the vagina.

The surgeon uses his finger to deliver the opposite leg into the vagina, then the torso, the shoulders and the arms. Usually there is not enough room for the head to pass into the vagina, so the surgeon forces a pair of scissors into the base of the skull and spreads the scissors to enlarge the opening.

After the scissors are removed, the surgeon inserts a suction catheter into the hole and sucks out the brain to reduce the size of the head. The entire fetus then can be removed.

Haskell said he used the D&X procedure with all women who were 20 to 24 weeks pregnant and with selected patients between 25 and 26 weeks of pregnancy.

The State of Nebraska considers a fetus born before 20 weeks to have no chance of survival, while a fetus born at 24 weeks is considered to have about a 55 percent chance of survival.

Dr. LeRoy Carhart, the Bellevue abortion provider who challenged Nebraska's ban as unconstitutional, testified in U.S. District Court that he does not abort viable fetuses. With most of his patients who are between 16 and 20 weeks pregnant, he tries to perform a D&X. Carhart told the judge that he strives to deliver a fetus intact during the second trimester because he considers it a safe procedure that protects the woman's health.

But his actual success with a D&X through the 19th week is low - less than 5 percent to 10 percent. The tissue, Carhart testified, is so soft at this point that the fetus is easily torn apart.

Carhart also testified that, unlike Haskell, he doesn't manipulate the fetus into a feet-first position. He removes it head first or feet first depending on its natural position.

In a head-first abortion, Carhart uses dilation and evacuation - or D&E - dismembering the fetus rather than delivering it intact. If it presents itself feet-first, Carhart will either puncture the skull or crush it before completing the abortion.

After the 20th week, Carhart typically kills the fetus by injection 48 to 72 hours before beginning the abortion. Thus, the judge ruled, the state's ban wouldn't apply to his later abortions because the fetus is already dead when it enters the vagina.

Carhart doesn't use a lethal injection on the fetus between weeks 16 and 20 because the waiting time between injection and abortion is only 12 to 24 hours and the fetal tissue doesn't change enough to make it the best procedural choice.

Carhart has said that he performs an average of 1,200 abortions a year, about 20 of which are D&X procedures.

83 posted on 01/19/2002 1:48:06 PM PST by victim soul
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To: Khepera
Imagine the outcry if executed prisoners were parted out for the sale of their organs.
84 posted on 01/19/2002 1:49:22 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: codebreaker
Why don't this BUTCHER/QUACK do us all a favor and ABORT HIMSELF!
85 posted on 01/19/2002 1:56:21 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Khepera; JMJ333; onyx; patent
I first heard of "Tiller the Killer" from a Pro-Life organization named Life Dynamics, based in Denton Texas.

This amoral murderer is satan incarnate.

86 posted on 01/19/2002 2:12:14 PM PST by EODGUY
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To: victim soul
[quote]Most other "civilized" countries of the World forbid abortion or only allow abortion in the first trimester for rape, incest or the life of the mother.[/quote] This is a country of free choice we are not China, France or??? I prefer it stay that way. I do not want to be dictated to. Do you? It is odd that quite a few of my conservative friends and family share these beliefs as well. So I know I'm not alone. I won't "tow the party line" when it crosses my beliefs.
87 posted on 01/19/2002 2:16:03 PM PST by RKBA_Champ
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To: RKBA_Champ
You don't need to live here you can move to Europe they have abortion so whats your beef? Canada is a Godless country as is half of the world. All have abortions and you can go there. You don't have to stay here. Please?
88 posted on 01/19/2002 2:21:55 PM PST by Khepera
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To: Khepera
... Exactly what makes you think I would "have an abortion"? You are starting to sound a bit "liberal" now with your rants. I don't agree that aborting a fetus is right. I just don't agree that a law needs to be drafted in an attempt to make me conform to someone elses belief. You, me or any law abiding citizen should be allowed to make his/her own choices. After all thats the foundation our great country was framed around!
89 posted on 01/19/2002 2:29:37 PM PST by RKBA_Champ
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To: RKBA_Champ
OK if we cannot have a law that says killing babies is forbidden because you dont want to have one then I want a law that says I can kill you and for the same reason. My opinion is more valid than yours because its mine. Now I sound like you.
90 posted on 01/19/2002 2:32:56 PM PST by Khepera
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To: RKBA_Champ
You, me or any law abiding citizen should be allowed to make his/her own choices.

Even the dead women wanna-be's? They get to choose?

91 posted on 01/19/2002 2:34:41 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: concerned about politics
I like your term pro-death! Maybe if everyone used that some of the so-called "pro-choice" people would stop and think! Just like I prefer anti-abortion to pro-life which gets some of the pro-choice commenting about how they believe in life. Pro-life sounds touchy/feely like something the liberals came up with. Why not just be anti-abortion period which leaves no wiggle room against the pro-death folks? Just my two cents!
92 posted on 01/19/2002 2:51:06 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: Brad's Gramma
... Wanna be? I thought life commenced the day you were born, not the night your mamma & daddy fooled around after the senior prom.
93 posted on 01/19/2002 3:12:30 PM PST by RKBA_Champ
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To: Brad's Gramma
... No they don't, it is not born yet!
94 posted on 01/19/2002 3:14:07 PM PST by RKBA_Champ
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To: RKBA_Champ
Let's try this one....

Suppose tonight you're all tucked safely in your nice warm house. Minding your own business. Causing no one no harm.

In comes two thugs with guns. They say, as they aim them at you..."It's my choice, I want to and am going to kill you now".

Your turn.

95 posted on 01/19/2002 3:46:06 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: RKBA_Champ
I thought life commenced the day you were born

Not according to God.

96 posted on 01/19/2002 3:47:01 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Brad's Gramma
... It happens all the time, the perp chooses his/her path in life and he/she will suffer the consequences. In this case you picked me in first person so I would take what ever measure(s) I needed to command the situation. Up at to killing them.
97 posted on 01/19/2002 3:58:53 PM PST by RKBA_Champ
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To: RKBA_Champ
Good for you. I'd HOPE you'd kill them!

Now, why can't the baby, in the womb, have the same choice?

Now don't go get all technical on me. I'm AWARE OF THE FACT that he/she is not strong enough to fight back.

That's sorta why I'M making such a fuss. SOMEONE needs to defend them, right? (the unborn)

98 posted on 01/19/2002 4:01:17 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: RKBA_Champ
... It happens all the time, the perp chooses his/her path in life and he/she will suffer the consequences.

WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! Didn't you say in an earlier post that being pro capital punishment is hypocritcal to being anti baby killing?

Consequences being death by the state.

99 posted on 01/19/2002 4:03:53 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Brad's Gramma
... Where in Gods works does it state that your birthday was the time a perp raped your neighbors daughter or the night mom & dad got frisky.
100 posted on 01/19/2002 4:22:05 PM PST by RKBA_Champ
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