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Who let the dogs out?
Washington Times ^ | January 14, 2002 | Patrick J. Michaels

Posted on 01/13/2002 11:54:34 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:36:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Scientific American has sicced the big dogs on Danish statistician Bjorn Lomborg for having the audacity to publish a highly referenced book, "The Skeptical Environmentalist," which argues that global warming and many other environmental "threats" are overblown. What gives?

Why draw so much attention to a book you don't want to sell? Clearly, the editorial boards of Nature and Scientific American, as well as the leadership of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS, the publisher of Science) perceive a big threat if Mr. Lomborg goes unanswered.


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To: Sabertooth
The truth is that Mr. Lomborg is behaving like a scientist here, and Mr. Schneider and Scientific American don't like the result.

The reason Scientific American is apoplectic about that argument is because it is scientific and convincing. If it convinced the Bush administration to walk away from Kyoto, how long will it be before it convinces Congress to derail the multibillion-dollar gravy train feeding the global warming claque?

Excellent point!

21 posted on 01/14/2002 7:46:54 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Movemout
"There will always be those predisposed to communism."

Anyone who is emotionally immature will be "predisposed" to dependency and a willingness to give up freedom in exchange for what they illogically *feel* will be security. They will advocate that for others, too.

Those are the victim mentalities and their advocates that Karl Marx called, "useful idiots".

Karl Marx is the flip side example of the mentalities that are "predisposed to communism". They are the cynical opportunists whose goal is money, power, and control over others. They know they could never obtain their totalitarian goals however, without a lot of "useful idiots".

Both of these above two catagories who are "predisposed to communism" are the base mentalities that make up the base of the DemocRAT party.

Andrew Sullivan wrote about both catagories in his article today [excerpted]: "What Goldberg is trying to say [in his book, "BIAS"] is that everyone else in the country has noticed that these emperors of alleged objectivity [in the leftist media] have no clothes. [But] ... those elite armies of condescension keep marching on, their privates swinging in the breeze." [The Australian | January 14, 2002 | Andrew Sullivan "Liberally inclined by stealth"]

"Scientific American has sicced the big dogs on Danish statistician Bjorn Lomborg for having the audacity to publish a highly referenced book, "The Skeptical Environmentalist," which argues that global warming and many other environmental "threats" are overblown."

As usual ... all hell and panic breaks loose in elitist Marxist circles the minute they see anyone trying to educate their "useful idiots" and show them the truth.

Indeed .... even the "useful idiots", themselves become upset at the idea that anyone would dare to try and educate them in order to save them from themselves. They show up on FR all the time to protest any truth that happens to get out. How embarrassing for them.

22 posted on 01/14/2002 7:52:10 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: RonDog
There is a PDF of Lomborg's response to the Scientific American attack at his site. Apparently, they did not see fit to publish it.

I can't seem to get a link to work b/c of the frames crap. Go to the site, click Critique & Replies, then about half way down is the PDF.

23 posted on 01/14/2002 7:59:01 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: Sabertooth
bttt
24 posted on 01/14/2002 8:22:52 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the heads up!
25 posted on 01/14/2002 8:52:17 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'm reading Lomborg's book now. Interesting though a little dry (and I am fairly sound on technical stuff). Best part so far: his exposing how the enviros essentially made up numbers on the 'vanishing species cataclysm' non-issue. Most interesting new number to me: the huge quantity of oil contained in shale/sands and the affordable costs in removing it when regular oil deposits begin to run out (way down the road). I recommend the book for its sound science.

I do prefer Julian Simon's 'The Ultimate Resource 2' though. His personality comes through in his optimism about the ability of the human mind to create solutions. Of course, Lomborg was led to the subject by Simon's work - as an opponent - and converted when he tried to refute Simon's argument - and found he couldn't. A great story in itself and anecdotal evidence of Lomborg's commitment to honest scientific inquiry (and he is a real rarity in another sense as well - he's an honest lefty).

I may someday post an article on Simon's presentation about the nuclear waste non-problem.

26 posted on 01/14/2002 9:01:54 AM PST by FirstFlaBn
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Nobody wants to discuss facts, their minds are made up.
What's more, they have their reputations and their grants on the line.
Sounds a lot like the "hiv causes aids" issue.
27 posted on 01/14/2002 9:41:49 AM PST by freefly
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To: PatrickHenry
Well worth a bump.

I second the motion bttt.

28 posted on 01/14/2002 9:46:54 AM PST by longshadow
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
To: The Duke

"Environmentalists" have wormed their way into education, politics, industry and religion. Under the guise of goodness, they are poisoning our minds and picking our pockets as they systematically work to remove our freedoms.

4 posted on 1/14/02 4:22 AM Eastern by Cincinatus' Wife

I don't know anything about how it works or where they're posted, but THIS would get my vote for quote of the day.
Thank you for the article post.

29 posted on 01/14/2002 10:24:00 AM PST by SusanUSA
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Good post!

Did you see the post on Yucca Mountain?

I'll put a link up if I can find it again.

30 posted on 01/14/2002 10:30:28 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
See these links:

DOE Set to Approve Nuclear Storage Facility at Yucca Mountain

But here is what caught my attention - regarding the environment Wackos organizing the resistance to Yucca Mountain which I had not been aware of:

Yucca Mountain: The Battle For National Energy Policy

32 posted on 01/14/2002 10:35:28 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Do any of these esteemed scientists decry a decrease in level of Oxygen in the atmosphere?

Until they do I'm, going to ignore thier howls about the rise in CO2 levels ...

33 posted on 01/14/2002 10:40:41 AM PST by _Jim
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To: Cincinatus' Wife;FastCoyote
In post #4 you said:

"Environmentalists" have wormed their way into education, politics, industry and religion. Under the guise of goodness, they are poisoning our minds and picking our pockets as they systematically work to remove our freedoms.

Supporting evidence in another place that may surprise many of us:

From the second link:

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Repository Opposition

The primary individuals and groups opposing Yucca Mountain are listed in Table 3. Among the wide range of individuals and organizations opposing Yucca Mountain are politicians, the Nevada Nuclear Waste Project Office and its subcontractors, and a variety of environmental and social justice movements.

The length of the Yucca Mountain opposition list may come as a surprise to some, because the anti-nuclear movement is often portrayed as being an unorganized grassroots movement. In reality, the movement is a self-contained and well funded political juggernaut, relying not only on donations from individuals, but also on support from large philanthropic funds.Read tha as the same Enviralists fighting Bjorn Lomborg

34 posted on 01/14/2002 10:44:01 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: RonDog;randita;SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; okie01; socal_parrot; snopercod; quimby; John Jorsett...
Same people are behind much of the activities that were a key ingredient in the california Power Crisis!
35 posted on 01/14/2002 10:47:11 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Matchett-PI
As usual ... all hell and panic breaks loose in elitist Marxist circles the minute they see anyone trying to educate their "useful idiots" and show them the truth.

Bump!

36 posted on 01/14/2002 11:01:57 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: unending thunder
I don't think the average American citizen understands what signing up to Kyoto means. Here in the UK we are now starting to pay.

When will people learn, they will always end up paying for these chains called "we're doing it for your own good?"

37 posted on 01/14/2002 11:04:38 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Movemout
There will always be those predisposed to communism. At its core, environmentalism is a communistic concept.

Bump!

38 posted on 01/14/2002 11:06:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: FirstFlaBn
Lomborg was led to the subject by Simon's work - as an opponent - and converted when he tried to refute Simon's argument - and found he couldn't. A great story in itself and anecdotal evidence of Lomborg's commitment to honest scientific inquiry (and he is a real rarity in another sense as well - he's an honest lefty).

Very interesting.

39 posted on 01/14/2002 11:07:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: freefly
Nobody wants to discuss facts, their minds are made up.

They're guarding their turf. Unfortunately science isn't always based on facts. Some researchers lean toward the side that supports them through grants.

40 posted on 01/14/2002 11:14:06 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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