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Just what is a Libertarian?
Internet - Lost URL | FR Post 01-11-02 | Written by Deanna Corbeil

Posted on 01/11/2002 8:57:38 AM PST by vannrox

Just what is a Libertarian?
(The party & philosophy)




Out of the many political philosophies that exist, one of the most misunderstood is libertarianism. It is frequently labeled part of the “extreme right”, or it is merely associated with drug legalization. Truthfully, there may be several definitions of the term, but in general, libertarianism encompasses all or most of the following: strong support of individual civil liberties, social tolerance, and private property; belief in the positive powers of the free market; and an espousal of constitutionally limited and greatly reduced government. To put it succinctly, the libertarian believes in the freedom of individuals to pursue their lives as they see fit, as long as they cause no harm to others, with minimal governmental interference.


Libertarian thought is rooted historically in the ideas of many of the Enlightenment thinkers, including John Locke, Voltaire, and Adam Smith, as well as many of the founding fathers of America, including Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and Thomas Paine. Many libertarians prefer to call themselves “classical liberals”. Their philosophy has also been influenced by writer Ayn Rand’s “Objectivism”, and various free-market economists, including Milton Friedman, F.A. Hayek, and Ludwig von Mises.


To more clearly illustrate libertarian thoughts and beliefs, it is helpful to see how these ideas would affect certain issues being debated at this time. Specifically,
    Freedom of Speech,
    The international scene (including military defense),
    Taxation,
    and, of course, Drug Prohibition.
(Keep in mind that libertarians, like most people, don’t agree on everything. In fact, their emphasis on individualism gives rise to a great deal of disagreement.)


Libertarians are strongly supportive of the civil liberties detailed in the Bill of Rights of our Constitution. They maintain that the Constitution does not grant us these rights, but instead recognizes those rights we naturally possess by virtue of our humanity. Included in these rights is the freedom of speech. Unlike many other supporters of free speech, the libertarian sees it as having a connection with property rights. For example, many would claim that to deny the publication of a certain person’s ideas or works would be censorship. The libertarian would say that you can publish anything you would like on a printing press you personally own, but to force someone else to print it would be coercion.


Another area in which libertarians have a unique philosophy is that concerning international affairs, military defense, and police functions. Many in the libertarian movement believe that the only legitimate functions of government are to provide military protection and law enforcement. They would oppose those “entangling alliances” that Jefferson mentioned which lead to treaties like NATO and organizations like the United Nations. They believe these can lead to unnecessary entanglements with other nations, and may ultimately usurp the sovereignty of the individual.


When it comes to the issue of taxes, it is helpful to reflect on the libertarian’s view of property rights. The libertarian view is generally that an individual should have the right to do with his property what he will, as long as it is not causing harm to someone else. In this case, the property being considered is the money an individual has earned. If the result of your labor is money, then it belongs to you, not the government. If another individual came along and took your money from you without your consent, it would be considered theft by our legal system. The libertarian views it as no less a crime when the government takes your money without your consent via taxation. (In those cases where taxation is “necessary”, libertarians prefer the taxes to be low and only minimally intrusive.)


The aspect most often associated with its philosophy by people only marginally familiar with libertarianism concerns the subject of drug legalization. What should be remembered is that the libertarian advocates personal freedom, which they believe includes the right to make decisions concerning your own body. They would argue that today’s drug prohibition is very similar to the alcohol prohibition of the 1920’s, which helped spawn a great deal of criminal activity, profiteering for criminal gangs, and turned otherwise peaceful, law-abiding citizens into criminals. (Of course, if the use of drugs by an individual causes them to harm another, that person must take responsibility for their actions, and must make restitution or receive appropriate punishment.) They also believe that the “drug war” has largely been a failure in its goals, and has diverted law enforcement away from other, more serious crimes.


Libertarian philosophy can be applied to most any issue being debated in our time. By looking at the four areas of freedom of speech, international affairs, taxation, and drug policy, it is easy to see that libertarian thought at its most basic level agrees with Jefferson’s statement, “That government is best which governs least.”


Written by Deanna Corbeil


TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: libertarians
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To: lormand
Fod, I still believe that one cannot be Libertarian AND be pro-life.

That's an exceptionally silly position, given all of us who've told you that we are. It's a major point of contention in the party. Were it not for certain people in the power structure, the party would very likely have a pro-life plank. You should read some of the older platforms. They were much more explicitly pro-abortion.

181 posted on 01/11/2002 1:08:09 PM PST by jimt
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To: OWK
And yet you have been confronted with a half-dozen libertarians who have told you that they are pro-life

And in their party's platform(Libertarian) they say that abortion is to divisive an issue to talk about.

Oops I forgot the no force no fraud Libertarian tenant.

I guess the "pro-life" Libertarians abide by the no force no fraud tenant when it comes to "forcing" the issue.

182 posted on 01/11/2002 1:10:09 PM PST by Dane
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To: Benson_Carter
"First of all, I'm a libertarian conservative, not a Libertarian."

I once took an online poll that asks political questions and depending on your answers, places you on a 2-D diamond shaped matrix. According to my answers, I was a a right-wing Libertarian.

I don't remember where it was online.

183 posted on 01/11/2002 1:11:31 PM PST by lormand
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To: mysterio
I have morals. I use those morals to decide how I will live my life. However, I have no right to use those morals to tell others how to live their lives. Likewise, politicians have no right to legislate morality. So then, if someone rapes your sister, it's ok because the rapist has a different set of morals? The problem is that the public schools and unoiversities have sold us all a bill of goods: that moralitity is relative.
184 posted on 01/11/2002 1:12:21 PM PST by texson66
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To: Dane
you should worry more about the GOP making good on their party platforms, and their promise to make good on their pro-life posturing, which could affect many people, and worry less about the Libertarian Party platforms, which, in reality, affect no one.
185 posted on 01/11/2002 1:13:34 PM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: lormand, OWK
Fod, I still believe that one cannot be Libertarian AND be pro-life. 172 posted on 1/11/02 2:00 PM Pacific by lormand

Why on earth would you willingly claim for yourself such a strange belief? It makes you look silly.

Libertarianism -- "No one has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human being, nor to delegate its initiation". (the Non-Aggression Principle)

This is the fundamental ethical principle of libertarianism. It denies you the "right" to initiate force to prevent gambling, or drug use, etc.... Defensive force against an aggressor is permitted (you are reacting, not initiating, against the force which someone else has introduced), but NEVER the initiation of force.

And so (as should be blatantly obvious), IF you believe that the unborn child is human, it disallows the initiation of force against the unborn child, "No one has the right... to initiate force against another human being...". IF a libertarian believes that the unborn child is human, his most fundamental ethical principle requires him to be pro-life. Or didn't you know that?

And you DO believe that the unborn child is a human being, right??

186 posted on 01/11/2002 1:14:32 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OWK
"And yet you have been confronted with a half-dozen libertarians who have told you that they are pro-life."

...and yet I say again to all half-dozen people, you can't be Libertarian and Pro-life!

187 posted on 01/11/2002 1:15:41 PM PST by lormand
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To: lormand
that's great. do you care to continue our debate, or would you like to discuss online polls?
188 posted on 01/11/2002 1:15:43 PM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: Benson_Carter
Uh could you let OWK answer the question, the question was directed towards him.

Btw you never answered the question about the Libertarians indifference towards abortion.

189 posted on 01/11/2002 1:16:41 PM PST by Dane
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To: OWK;CubicleGuy;lormand
Many Libertarians ARE Pro-Life and Agree that it should be prohibited. I happen to also think it should be a State ban.

Now, believe me that OWK and I disagree on many things. I as a Conservative, he as a Libertarian. Be sure though, not all Libertarians are the same and most can be better allies on more issues than some Republicans. (if that makes sense)

I would much rather have OWK and CubicleGuy in my corner that McCain.

Now of course some Libertarians think all Conservatives are the same.... (I am a member of the Constitution Party, not a Republican).

191 posted on 01/11/2002 1:18:13 PM PST by CyberCowboy777
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self ping so I can read all the replies later.
192 posted on 01/11/2002 1:18:20 PM PST by dpa5923
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To: Dane
I wasn't answering your question, I was making a statement. I think I answered your second one, though. I'm not a Libertarian, so I have no idea about the indifference issue you raise. As a libertarian minded conservative who votes for conservative Republicans or abstains from voting for that candidate, I can only say I am ashamed of the GOP for not acting on their OWN party platforms, especially when they have control of ALL THREE branches of govt.
193 posted on 01/11/2002 1:22:38 PM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: texson66
So then, if someone rapes your sister, it's ok because the rapist has a different set of morals?

(Sigh.)

Did the rapist initiate force against my sister? Did my sister ask to be raped?

I think the answer is no.

OK, now, select the correct answer, if you can: the rapist is / is not justified in raping my sister under libertarian philosophy.

194 posted on 01/11/2002 1:22:54 PM PST by CubicleGuy
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To: tpaine
Pinging tpaine, a well known pro-abortion Libertarian on FR.

Tpaine, are you in a major disagreement with your Libertarian brethren?

195 posted on 01/11/2002 1:23:40 PM PST by Dane
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To: TheDon
I agree Libertarians tend to be right on economic and personal issues but very very wrong and dangerous on security and international issues. I guess I would call myself a hawkish libertarian.
196 posted on 01/11/2002 1:27:55 PM PST by weikel
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To: CubicleGuy
I think the answer is no.

Better clarify before somebody gets all upset.

I think the answer to the first question is yes, and the answer to the second question is no.

For all you budding lawyers out there.

197 posted on 01/11/2002 1:28:05 PM PST by CubicleGuy
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To: lormand
Don't confuse party affiliation with ideology.

I won't if you won't...

198 posted on 01/11/2002 1:28:19 PM PST by The Green Goblin
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To: Benson_Carter
I can only say I am ashamed of the GOP for not acting on their OWN party platforms

Are you ashmaed of this?

Bush Branded a Bully for Funding Ban Over Abortion

especially when they have control of ALL THREE branches of govt

Uh since June, Tommy Daschle(D-SD) has been in control of the Senate.

Oops, I forgot you are pro-marijuana, never mind.

199 posted on 01/11/2002 1:29:56 PM PST by Dane
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To: Redleg Duke
"little dictator wannabes".....yes, we call them Libertarians. And they claim it all in the name of individual liberty.

I think you have deluded yourself as to what we really are. Please provide examples for your statement.

200 posted on 01/11/2002 1:34:09 PM PST by Hard Case
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