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1 posted on 01/05/2002 3:11:41 PM PST by Pokey78
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2 posted on 01/05/2002 3:14:51 PM PST by Pokey78
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3 posted on 01/05/2002 3:17:52 PM PST by dennisw
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Sorry but I don't trust anything that isn't in the NY Times, the Washington Post, or on one of the three major network newscasts. They say that everyone else is part of a vast right-wing conspiracy and I have no reason to doubt their honesty.

And, Bill Clinton was a GREAT President. We're not likely to see his type again.




/sarcasm

5 posted on 01/05/2002 3:19:53 PM PST by RobFromGa
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Lost opportunities. There's a euphemism for you. But was it incompetence or blackmail...?
8 posted on 01/05/2002 3:21:23 PM PST by mewzilla
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Lost opportunities, lost lives, means nothing to Clinton and his supporters. How could anybody expect him to worry about a little thing like Osama when he had really important business to take care of, he was booked solid with fundraisers.
11 posted on 01/05/2002 3:26:40 PM PST by McGavin999
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13 posted on 01/05/2002 3:27:26 PM PST by dstalley
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So all this was just a "screw up"? I used to think that LBJ was the worst president we've ever had for his ability to lie to congress to widen a war he never intended to win - thereby sending tens of thousands of American boys to their deaths. Now we see the blood of the nearly 3,000 on on 9/11 appears to be on the hands of the former president. He's fast becoming my first choice for worst ever in our history.
14 posted on 01/05/2002 3:27:28 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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A former senior White House source said: "There simply was not the evidence to prosecute Osama Bin Laden. He could not be indicted, so it would serve no purpose for him to have been brought into US custody.

Tell that to the families who lost loved ones on 09-11.

17 posted on 01/05/2002 3:28:24 PM PST by mware
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They say that the clear focus of American policy was to discourage the state sponsorship of terrorism. So persuading Khartoum to expel Bin Laden was in itself counted as a clear victory. The administration was "delighted".

This has to be THE dumbest thing I've ever read. What kind of "victory" is it to have made the liver-lipped bastard pick up and move to another country? Did it hurt his terrorist operations? Or did it just send him to a country that, unlike Sudan, wouldn't monitor him and wouldn't offer his sorry ass to the U.S.?

Clinton is reported to have admitted how things went wrong in Sudan at a private dinner at a Manhattan restaurant shortly after September 11 last year. According to a witness, Clinton told a dinner companion that the decision to let Bin Laden go was probably "the biggest mistake of my presidency".

Once again, it's all about him. Clinton is perhaps the only person in this country to look at the devastation of 9/11 and be upset that there was no way to manipulate it to burnish his "legacy."

19 posted on 01/05/2002 3:30:34 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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It seems someone did not attend the legacy building meeting in Harlem.
21 posted on 01/05/2002 3:33:02 PM PST by Queen of Excelsior
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According to Dick Morris Bubba did not want to offend Arab allies, Demo constituancies, etc., by going after Osama.

Ever seen this? A memo that leaked out when the Cole was hit - from Bubba's State Dept.

'The United States State Department believes the "17 or so dead sailors" on the U.S.S. Cole "does not compare to the 100+ Palestinians who have died in recent weeks" in Mideast violence, a stunning government memo reveals.

The Clinton/Gore Administration disapproved a VOICE OF AMERICA broadcast condemning the attack on the Cole. A memo from the Executive Secretariat Staff at the State Department stated:

"The Department of State does not clear on the referenced VOA editorial. The 17 or so dead sailors does not compare to the 100+ Palestinians who have died in recent weeks where we have remained silent. The people that hear this will not see the separation we are trying to make and relate it directly to the violence.

"Either VOA adds something in there to take the edge off and mention the Palestinians or we should kill this editorial until the violence has calmed for a while.'

25 posted on 01/05/2002 3:36:16 PM PST by veronica
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Clintoon was way busy at the time what with getting his pipes cleaned and all. Everybody knows its the GOP's fault for hounding Clinton till the end of his presidency.(/sarcasm)
26 posted on 01/05/2002 3:36:24 PM PST by kylaka
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According to a witness, Clinton told a dinner companion that the decision to let Bin Laden go was probably "the biggest mistake of my presidency"
Amazing that he is able to pick just one, he could write a series of books based on his mistakes if he put his mind to it.
29 posted on 01/05/2002 3:40:26 PM PST by The Brush
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"There simply was not the evidence to prosecute Osama Bin Laden. He could not be indicted, so it would serve no purpose for him to have been brought into US custody."

Exactly the reason why liberals have no business being in charge of national security, from the horses mouth.

When you can't prosecute someone like Bin Laden, you kill him.

Apparently Klinton was only interested in taking out his domestic enemies, like Jim McDougal.

35 posted on 01/05/2002 3:46:08 PM PST by Rome2000
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E-mail from Dick

CLINTON'S PRIORITY: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS OVER FIGHTING TERROR

By Dick Morris

Last month, President Bush shut down three U.S.-based "charities" accused of funneling money to Hamas, a terrorist organization that last year alone was responsible for at least 20 bombings, two shootings and a mortar attack that killed 77 people.

These "charities" - The Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, the Global Relief Foundation and the Benevolence International Foundation - raised $20 million last year alone.

But the information on which Bush largely relied to act against these charities was taped nine years ago, in 1993. FBI electronic eavesdropping had produced compelling evidence that officials of Hamas and the Holy Land Foundation had met to discuss raising funds for Hamas training schools and establishing annuities for suicide bombers' families - pensions for terrorists.

Why didn't Clinton act to shut these people down? In 1995 and 1996, he was advised to do just that. At a White House strategy meeting on April 27, 1995 - two weeks after the Oklahoma City bombing - the president was urged to create a "President's List" of extremist/terrorist groups, their members and donors "to warn the public against well-intentioned donations which might foster terrorism."

On April 1, 1996, he was again advised to "prohibit fund-raising by terrorists and identify terrorist organizations," specifically mentioning the Hamas. Inexplicably, Clinton ignored these recommendations. Why? FBI agents have stated that they were prevented from opening either criminal or national-security cases because of a fear that it would be seen as "profiling" Islamic charities.

While Clinton was politically correct, the Hamas flourished. Clinton did seize any bank accounts of the terrorist groups themselves, but his order netted no money since neither al Qaeda nor bin Laden were obliging enough to open accounts in their own names.

Liberals felt that the civil rights of suspected terrorists were more important than cutting off their funds.

George Stephanopoulos, the ankle bracelet that kept Clinton on the liberal reservation, explains in his memoir "All Too Human" that he opposed the proposal to "publish the names of suspected terrorists in the newspapers" with a "civil liberties argument" and by pointing out that Attorney General Janet Reno would object. So five years later - after millions have been given to terrorist groups through U.S. fronts - the government is finally blocking the flow of cash. Political correctness also doomed a separate recommendation to require that drivers' licenses and visas for noncitizens expire simultaneously so that illegal aliens pulled over in traffic stops could be identified and (if appropriate) deported. Stephanopoulos cited "potential abuse and political harm to the president's Hispanic base," and said that he'd killed the idea by raising "the practical grounds of prohibitive cost."

Had Clinton adopted this recommendation, Mohammed Atta might have been deported after he was stopped for driving without a license three months before be piloted an American Airlines jet into the World Trade Center.

Nothing so illustrates the low priority of terrorism in Clinton's first term than the short shrift he gave the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, the first terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Six people were killed and 1,042 injured; 750 firefighters worked for one month to contain the damage. But Clinton never visited the site. Several days after the explosion, speaking in New Jersey, he actually "discouraged Americans from overacting" to the Trade Center bombing.

Why this de-emphasis of the threat? In Sunday's New York Times, Stephanopoulos explains that the 1993 attack "wasn't a successful bombing. . . . It wasn't the kind of thing where you walked into a staff meeting and people asked, what are we doing today in the war against terrorism?"

In sharp contrast, U.S. District Court Judge Kevin Duffy, who presided over the WTC- bombing trial, noted that the attack caused "more hospital casualties than any other event in domestic American history other than the Civil War."

But Stephanopoulos was just the hired help. Clinton was the president and commander- in-chief. For all of his willingness to act courageously and decisively - against the advice of his liberal staff - on issues like deficit reduction and welfare reform, he was passive and almost inert on terrorism in his first term. > > It wasn't until 1998 that Clinton finally got around to setting up a post of Counter Terrorism Coordinator in the National Security Council. Everything was more important than fighting terrorism.

Political correctness, civil liberties concerns, fear of offending the administration's supporters, Janet Reno's objections, considerations of cost, worries about racial profiling and, in the second term, surviving impeachment, all came before fighting terrorism.

43 posted on 01/05/2002 4:03:49 PM PST by lonestar
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former White House officials said they had no recollection of the offer.

How Hillary!

56 posted on 01/05/2002 5:35:08 PM PST by InvisibleChurch
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Woulda ... Coulda ... Shoulda ... nothing new here. Won't see this type of article in the liberal U.S. media, it reflects poorly on their boy Willy.
60 posted on 01/05/2002 7:00:52 PM PST by BluH2o
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65 posted on 01/05/2002 8:26:15 PM PST by timestax
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Finally, the Clinton Legacy begins to reveal itself....
72 posted on 01/06/2002 1:39:31 AM PST by Check6
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US missed three chances to seize Bin Laden

Clinton himself, according to one Washington source, has described the refusal to accept the first of the offers as "the biggest mistake" of his presidency.

The main reasons were legal: there was no evidence that could be brought against Bin Laden in an American court. But former senior intelligence sources accuse the administration of a lack of commitment to the fight against terrorism.

When Sudanese officials claimed late last year that Washington had spurned Bin Laden's secret extradition from Khartoum in 1996, former White House officials said they had no recollection of the offer. Senior sources in the former administration now confirm that it was true. . . . . .

A former figure in American counterterrorist intelligence claims, however, that there was "clear and convincing" proof of Bin Laden's conspiracy against America.

In May, 1996, American diplomats were informed in a Sudanese government fax that Bin Laden was about to be expelled — giving Washington another chance to seize him. The decision not to do so went to the very top of the White House, according to former administration sources.

They say that the clear focus of American policy was to discourage the state sponsorship of terrorism. So persuading Khartoum to expel Bin Laden was in itself counted as a clear victory. The administration was "delighted".


But of course, we already knew this (Thanks Pokey & ST!). . .
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73 posted on 01/06/2002 4:57:59 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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