Posted on 12/27/2001 1:08:54 PM PST by hawaiian
I'll post more info as I get it...
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More Proof for my replies #212 and #226:
CIA/FBI Report Says Chinese Espionage in U.S. Increasing
Source: Sources (Security Intelligence News Service)
Published: March 9, 2000
Posted on 03/09/2000 02:21:56 PST by Dexter Wang
CIA/FBI Report Says Chinese Espionage in U.S. Increasing; CIA, FBI CI Agents Have Been on Trail of Chinese Spies for Years
Investigations, Stings Have Gone UNPROSECUTED
3/9/00 1:50 AM EDT
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Despite intensified U.S. counterintelligence efforts to identify Chinese spying activities in the U.S., a joint CIA/FBI report states that Chinese spies have escalated espionage operations against the United States.
"Chinese attempts to obtain U.S. military and military-related technology ... have increased since the early 1990s," the Washington Times today reports the five-page unclassified counterintelligence report as saying. The intelligence report states that the United States continues to be the "main target" of spying by the Military Intelligence Department of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), and that the department’s spies are focused on gathering military-related technology.
The report states that since 1987 the FBI and Customs service have stopped "at least two MID/PLA clandestine collection operations in the United States."
SOURCES first reported last May that there have been perhaps dozens of probes of Chinese spies conducted by the CIA and the FBI, some jointly, during the last ten years [includes years when Bush was President], none of which have resulted in any arrests, according to a variety of federal officials and sources who spoke on condition of anonymity.
The sources said CIA and FBI counterintelligence (CI) agents have grown increasingly frustrated over decisions by higher-ups not to prosecute persons against whom they painstakingly developed espionage cases, including stings in which the spies reputedly were caught red-handed buying secrets from undercover U.S. CI agents.
According to the sources, most of the stings were supposed to have culminated in arrests. SOURCES reported that the FBI’s Chinese CI operations are under review by a special task force set up last Spring by Attorney General Janet Reno, who is believed to be personally overseeing details of the inquiry. The inquiry includes looking at how the Justice Department has handled spy cases, and whether all such cases were vetted at the highest levels.
The number and nature of Chinese spy probes over the last ten years which SOURCES was told about are significant. The FBI has not commented on the extent of or the subjects of its investigations, but SOURCES has learned that the stings and related investigations it has been told about have come under scrutiny by the Attorney General’s office. The Chinese spies at the heart of these FBI probes, many working in the U.S., sought to acquire a “shopping list” of military weapons secrets including information on the SR-71 spy plane, AWACS aircraft, ballistic missile guidance systems, and nuclear attack submarines, according to sources.
According to a CIA report turned over to U.S. lawmakers, China has, in fact, obtained information on a variety of U.S. weapon systems as a result of espionage operations here.
It is not known if classified portions of the report acknowledge the CIA and the FBI’s counterintelligence investigations. Regardless, mounting evidence indicates that Chinese espionage is pervasive, as the joint CIA/FBI report quoted by the Washington Times today asserts, and that the stings SOURCES has been told about are only the tip of the iceberg.
Classified information provided to SOURCES indicates that political considerations may have played a role in preventing the probes from culminating in arrests. The White House, FBI, and Justice Department are increasingly looking as though politics tainted how they managed Chinese espionage investigations.
This possibility was buttressed by Senate Armed Services Committee hearings on April 12. Lawmakers were told that Clinton Administration officials repeatedly downplayed or dismissed evidence that China had stolen nuclear weapons secrets from a government weapons laboratory ...
1 Posted on 03/09/2000 02:21:56 PST by Dexter Wang
... In late 1988, the State Department did not consider China to be overly concerned about technologically modernizing its military through this decade, according to classified documents. The implication was that China was not likely to engage in espionage to get U.S. weapons technologies.
Henry Kissinger and other pro-China trade advocates convinced high-level officials of the State Department and Reagan Administration that China posed no threat, Thor Ronay, former Chief of Staff of the General Services Administration under Reagan, has been quoted as saying. According to the top secret State Department analysis, “Chinese Military Modernization: Looking at the 1990s,” (drafted in late 1988), China’s military “still needs to develop the organization, doctrine, and tactics to fight a modern war. These areas will probably see more progress in the next decade than the PLA arsenal -- which will continue to suffer from China’s antiquated industrial base and lack of technical expertise and funding.”
The analysis further lays out the U.S. position that China had come to a “relaxed” view of external threats and that this “account[ed] for the still relatively low ranking of military modernization among China’s domestic concerns.” However, China had identified the U.S. in its internal documents, military planning stratagems, and war-fighting doctrine as a potential target, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.
“They are quite specific about the U.S. being the greatest obstacle of [sic] Chinese manifest destiny and sovereignty,” said James Lilley, a former U.S. ambassador to China, the first CIA chief of station posted to China in the early 1970s, and later the CIA’s National Intelligence Officer on China.
The secret State Department report asserted that because China’s military was “constrained by a lack of funds,” PLA modernization initiatives indicated that “China will continue to focus on less expensive, though necessary, schooling, new training facilities, and more realistic training.”
Nowhere in the analysis was it ever suggested that because China was unable to buy the modernized weapons systems it needed, or to conduct its own expensive research and development, it would consider employing spies to get what it could not afford.
“That seems to have been a foreign notion in the minds of [U.S.] policymakers,” said a Republican congressional source familiar with Congress’ ongoing investigations of Chinese spying.
While this thinking apparently drove U.S. foreign policy toward China, numerous probes of Chinese spying went nowhere, according to sources. A number of the probes involved undercover stings in which large cash payments, sometimes in the tens of thousands of dollars, were given to U.S. undercover operatives by Chinese spies who were trying to buy top secret information on U.S. weapons systems.
“These were full-blown investigations -- wiretapping, videotaping, the whole nine yards,” said one of the sources familiar with the probes.
The absence of arrests allegedly has frustrated both undercover operatives and their FBI and CIA handlers. One undercover operative and his handlers have complained that since the late 1980s, there has been a lack of initiative on the part of the Reagan and Bush, as well as the Clinton Administration to follow through with arrests. For years, FBI field agents have been voicing concern to one undercover operative who shared his material and knowledge of operations with SOURCES. The operative said FBI agents have complained privately for years of not being able to get cases into court. They have voiced criticism of the U.S. Attorney General’s office and Justice Department officials who allegedly did not want to proceed against the Chinese.
Some of the stings SOURCES was told about were videotaped, showing Chinese contacts meeting undercover operatives in motel and hotel rooms all over the U.S. One undercover operative claims he arranged a videotaped meeting for the FBI as far back as 1989.
In many of the cases, Chinese operatives were young women who freely exchanged sex, money, and interest in business ventures with China for what they thought was secret information about military bases, aircraft, and military technology. For these Chinese women, sex seemed to be the most often used avenue to get at U.S. military secrets. It is unclear whether lawmakers have been briefed on the spy probes described to SOURCES, but they have complained that they were never briefed about suspicions on the part of counterintelligence officials that spying was taking place at U.S. nuclear weapons labs.
In March, Senator John McCain said on a television news show that “what is ... incredibly disturbing is apparently the administration didn’t take the charges seriously. The Congress was not informed.”
Several past and present senior congressional staff members of committees (whose members should have been briefed on the stings described to SOURCES) said on background they are unaware of any investigations on suspected Chinese spies.
During hearings in April by the Senate Armed Services Committee on Chinese espionage in the U.S., concerns arose that both the FBI and the CIA have not fully briefed appropriate congressional committees and lawmakers on what their spy probes have really uncovered.
2 Posted on 03/09/2000 02:26:32 PST by Dexter Wang
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Air Force Keeps Eyes Wide Open with Airborne Laser Aircarft(Missile Defense Lasers at Kirtland AFB)
Foreign Affairs Breaking News News Keywords: LASERS, MISSILE DEFENSE, KIRTLAND AFB,RUSSIANS, CHINESE
Source: Scripps Howard News Service
Published: June 10, 2000 Author: LAWRENCE SPOHN
Posted on 07/09/2000 17:05:50 PDT by OKCSubmariner
RUSSIANS & CHINESE MAY HAVE STOLEN OR BEEN GIVEN THIS TECHNOLOGY ALREADY. GWBUSH & CLINTON HAVE PROPOSED GIVING THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY TO THE RUSSIANS AND CLINTON ALSO WANTS TO GIVE IT TO THE CHINESE. SEE COMMENT BELOW ARTICLE (OKCSUBMARINER)
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - Named for the mythological giant with 100 eyes, the U.S. Air Force's Argus aircraft has returned to its Albuquerque hangar after weeks of eyeballing the world's hot spots.
"We fly at 480 mph and we make 6,000 readings per second," said Capt. Pat Kelly, an Argus flight-test engineer. The readings, which include temperature, air speed and atmospheric distortion, are considered crucial to national defense, specifically to ensuring the success of a leading anti-missile defense system, the Air Force's Airborne Laser Aircraft.
Being developed at Kirtland Air Force Base here, the $1.2 billion Airborne Laser is being outfitted with a powerful laser, computers and optics that the Air Force says will make it a deadly adversary for tactical missiles that might be launched by rogue nations, such as North Korea or Iraq. Not surprisingly, Argus has made its atmospheric measurements for the Airborne Laser in the vicinity of those countries.
The Airborne Laser is scheduled to conduct its first missile tests in 2003 and could be battle-ready shortly thereafter.
Although its proponents see it as the weapon of the future, officially the Air Force advertises it as part of a national, multi-service, anti-missile defense umbrella. Eventually, the Air Force wants Congress to fund a fleet of Airborne Laser missile killers at an estimated cost of $11 billion.
The Argus is a C-135E aircraft freighter that costs about $2 million per year to operate.
Earlier this summer, Argus spent some 150 hours flying at as high as 47,000 feet in the dark skies near the Korean Peninsula and in the Persian Gulf, collecting huge volumes of data in the third trip in a seasonal series aimed at detecting even minute atmospheric changes over the course of a year.
Underneath the nose of the aircraft is a special anemometer that uses wires finer than a human hair to measure temperature to an accuracy of one-thousandth of a degree. The information is currently being analyzed at the Air Force Research Laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate at Kirtland, said Wayne Wasson, Argus flight-test program manager.
"They have all the equations," he said, noting "they know a lot more than we do and designed all the special equipment on board (Argus). They tell us what they need. We go get it, bring it back, and they figure what it all means." The answers are vital to the Airborne Laser, which Wasson explains needs precision information on the variables in the atmosphere to make sure its laser tracks on target and destroys an enemy missile at the speed of light. "It's a high-altitude killer of missiles and it has to find them as quickly as possible off the ground and knock them down at low angles of incidence," he said.
Air Force officials have said they also believe they can adapt the laser to shoot down cruise missiles that hug terrain on the way to their targets.
Argus' data will be put into an Airborne Laser atmospheric library that will make it possible for the laser gunners to fine-tune the weapon for atmospheric peculiarities around the world, he said.
"It'll probably all be automatic," he said. "Once they tell the computers where they are, it will all be locked in and boom. It'll just go out there, get the specifics and do it."
Recall that eSources Journal reported in May 1999 that the FBI was warned that the Chinese may have succeeded in compromising Air Force officers at Kirtland AFB in New Mexico to obtain missile defense technology that would possibly include the laser system mentioned in the article above.
Also, the Russians may have stolen or been given the same laser technology because I was offerred a job at Kirtland AFB in 1983 to work with Russians on SDI and missile defense. The technology would have included interaction of beams (lasers,etc,) with missile delivery systems. Once again, the FBI not only ignored my complaints, but falsified files on me and my story and lied to my US Congressman about it.
We should be concerned that this laser technology will also be shared (given?) and used with the Russians and Chinese to create global nuclear disamament and world government. I wonder if Gore, Clinton and GWBush and the Republicans and Democrats will propose sharing this piece of our missile defense. Remember, that GWBush and Clinton already have proposed sharing and jointly deploying US missile defense systems of any kind!(GWBush on 11/19/1999 and Clinton around June 15,2000).
I am for the development of missile defense systems to defend the US, but we should not give, share or sell the missile defense technologies in whatever form to the Russians, Chinese or Europeans.
1 Posted on 07/09/2000 17:05:50 PDT by OKCSubmariner
To: Deep_6
Sources for my comments (you can find these with the freerepublic search window or archives if earlier than 6/1999):
1. "Bush Might Share Missile Defense Technology With Russia",Reuters,17 Nov, 1999 by Alan Eisner. 2. "Bush Willing To Share Anti-Missile Defense Technology with Russia", AP, 16 Nov 1999 by Ron Fournier (also on FoxNews)
3. "Clinton May Share Defense Technology"(with Russians),AP, 31 May, 2000 by Tom Raum.
4. "Clinton Offers To Share Missile Defense Information" (with Chinese and Russians), UPI, 5 June, 2000 by Mark Kukis (find in UPI archives)
5. FBI Told of High-Level Spying in Air Force a Decade Ago", Sources (name of publication),26 May 1999 by Anthony Kimery, this can be found in freerepublic archives and was originally posted on www.dso.com, the web site for Sources. Mr Kimery is the editor.
6. "US Missile Defense Tech Already Lost, Stolen, and/or Given to Russians and Chinese? ", 13 June, 2000 by Patrick B. Briley posted on freerepublic.com
GWBush proposed sharing anti-missile defense and jointly buiding anti-missile defense systems. These were the broad terms he used. The description was so broad that it would include any method or system for shooting down any type of missiles including using lasers.
GWBush did give conditions for his willingness to share with the Russians, but they were very poor and relied too much on trusting the Russians for "good behavior" and keeping their word. GWBush was not just stupid or naive, he has Kissinger (highly paid registered lobbyist for the Chinese), Schultz and Scrowcroft as advisors and they have made the same proposals before under President Bush. It is a global disarmament and world government plan.
GWBush has also pushed for cutting our missile delivery systems to near 2000 (from 6500)which is very wrong in view of the fact the Russians have had a decent missile defense system since 1972 and we do not and also becasue the nuclear missile threat is now much greater from North Korea and China .
The US needs more ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads for a retaliatory response as a deterence to Russia, China and North Korea preemptive strikes at the same time. The US has in the past had Russia and China targeted at the same time. We now have many more military targets in China and North Korea to hit than ever before.
6 Posted on 07/09/2000 22:00:41 PDT by OKCSubmariner
Bush is an idiot. No, worse... he knows EXACTLY what he's doing, and it's the furthest thing he do from either being an American or a Christian.
The present government of China is no worse than Osama Bin Ladin and his kind: they are merely a bit more polite about it. They have "structure", y'see. They pass for a legitimate government in the eyes of others of this world. Because they are also the largest populace to market to in the world.
Nevermind the fact that the ChiComs find their own biggest market among terrorists and rogue nations, and among the worst human rights abusers... particularly to Christians. You know... those people who Bush would be "brother" to?
I will never call this man my brother in Christ, because I've seen enough of him to prevent me from considering him one, and still have a clear conscience. Christ has shown us the way to rise above the trappings of this materialistic world... so what excuse does this man - who some would claim is "a gift from God" - have that he mires himself in the "riches" of this world as much as one might and still look "civilized" about it?
Is that "with us or against us" line referring to being "with America" or "with Bush and the government"? 'Cuz Bush has just cozied us up to the heartmeat of terrorism's paymasters... while giving hearty approval towards those who persecute "his brethren" the most.
I'm planning on and working towards even more survival preps, including a for-real shelter with integral air filtration, suitable for long term use.
FBI Told Of High-Level Spying in Air Force a Decade Ago
5/26/99 Sources
The article refers to the transfer of SDI technology to the Chinese via the Air Force at Kirtland AFB which the FBI and Bush administration covered up even though Army intelligence tried to get the FBI to do something about it.
Army intell was deliberately ignored by the FBI and the Bush administration over this transfer. IMHO the transfer was the result of a Bush policy to aide the Chinese consistent with other Bush actions such as the transfer of the US neutron bomb tech to the CHinese alleged by Sam Cohen.
An excerpt for this article shows up at:
Ten years ago, FBI counterintelligence officials were allegedly informed about high-level spying by U.S. Air Force officers, including one working at an Air Force research lab. If this is true, the spies -- who have not been prosecuted -- might have compromised a variety of U.S. weapons secrets, including star wars, and may also have been involved in Chinese spying operations. The FBI is not talking about it.
Web Posted: 05/26/1999 13:40:31 PDT Posted by: Thanatos
The original article was on FR at http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a374c5c44659e.htm but is now missing although it is still referred to in the FR Whitewater archives at http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/t990526208.htm
I have asked Jim Robinson and Thanatos for help in recovering the full article. I am still trying to reach ANthony Kimery (now at Insight mag) to recover the article also.
Much thanks to Uncle Bill for helping me locate the excerpt of the article on the FR archives.
Also much thanks are in order to Prodigal Daughter for her assistance and advice for how to search FR archives.
Syria developing VX gas missile warhead with N. Korean help
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(while considering your reply 2sheep, please take into account the following:
That(pride) and the fact that they(old leaders) execute everyone that isnt pro-commie statist
Black Jade is in Beijing and it is too early in the day for that B.J. team to chime in. You'll have to wait until ChiCom offices open.
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