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BREAKING: Bush Grants Permanent Trade Status to China
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Posted on 12/27/2001 1:08:54 PM PST by hawaiian

I'll post more info as I get it...


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To: RickyJ
--not all "freepers" do, however, that's the big official/.unofficial schism here at frerepublic that is obvious to see. According to the mission statement, this is an "independent" site, in reality, it's mostly a republican party cheerleading site, putting partisan politics over national security and soverignty issues. Thankfully, most of the discussions are not banned, witness this thread. And hopefully, these and other actions (and non actions) by the capital R republicans will help to wake some more folks up to reality versus partisan rhetoric, two entirely different things. For example, exactly where is the first Republican party government shrinking effort?. Why is there still a federal government education department? They can't see it's a disaster, full of socialist pork and propoganda? The "endangered species act", still fully pushed and promoted well past it's expiration, and "interpreted" to so far beyond constitutional measures as to be fully into the fascist class-this is executive branch actions here, no more excuses that it's "clintons" fault.

There's a huge list now, I keep wondering is there any single action taken by the high level party apparti that won't be fully endorsed and cheered on? I haven't seen anything yet, no matter what they do, if the high level R cult wants it, the cult members lock step into agreement mostly. Mind boggling, falls into the blind obedience category, emphasis "blind". --insert excusatory voice "well, congress yada yada" Uh huh, sure, yep, no executive DICTATES out of this admin, follow the laws, yep, return to the constitution and government openess and honesty, yep-WRONG! They are using this "war" (that they let happen) as the full step forward into global governance of the two class society, it's not even being hidden anymore. Rah rah rah, shake the pom poms, it's just as weird as the dims blind cheerleading, and just as destructive in the long run. Just watch what they do, what happens, what has already happened over the years.

162 posted on 12/29/2001 12:09:30 AM PST by zog
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To: Askel5

What is going on here?


163 posted on 12/29/2001 12:09:30 AM PST by vannrox
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To: RnMomof7
Things Clinton would have been roasted for now get a FR shrug!!

Ain't it the truth!?!

164 posted on 12/29/2001 12:09:32 AM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: zog
Right on zog!
165 posted on 12/29/2001 12:09:36 AM PST by Tourist Guy
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To: tgiles
"Assuming, of course, that the "stolen" liberties return in peacetime."

They already flat stated out loud that it was a perpetual war from here on out. perpetual means forever. This is a clue.

There is no 'return". Part of the scamwar is two class society fascism, masters and serfs, so guess which side or 'class" the cfr bush admin is on? THEY will decide for you, your input is not needed other than to bow head and shuffle on to your drudgery tasks, and don't you dare to say "no", either, anyone who says "no" is a "terrorist" by executive dictate now.

166 posted on 12/29/2001 12:09:36 AM PST by zog
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To: hawaiian
Mistake, mistake, mistake. Bush, this was a real chance to show the world our values, or have you? Uggg! I can't be objective about this: I hate the chinese, the moslems even more. Just, can't be objective!
167 posted on 12/29/2001 12:10:11 AM PST by USMMA_83
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To: malador
I love America! I love our constitution! I like Bush OK (I too hated Clinton)...But if we are to keep the freedoms that were given to us we must be vigilent and watch. We must be consistant in expressing our fears and concerns..(that is why the founders saw to it we have free speech)

Those that worship any political idol will sooner or later find it has feet of clay .

Even some of the men that were political icons on this forum last year now express concern about what is happening.So the Bush groupies have dropped them from the A list.

Be a watchman on a wall..it is not popular..but "for just such a time..."

168 posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:14 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: zog
There's a huge list now, I keep wondering is there any single action taken by the high level party apparti that won't be fully endorsed and cheered on? I haven't seen anything yet, no matter what they do, if the high level R cult wants it, the cult members lock step into agreement mostly.

I am having a hard time understanding this too. At first I thought everyone is so happy to have Clinton out and a nice "conservative" in that they are just overcome.

It now looks to me like a group of political operatives now come here to give the party line propaganda . I sure hope I am wrong!

Every government need citizen watchdogs..

169 posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:15 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Aristophanes
He's a fraud, people.

Wolf in sheeps clothing ya know? And the sheeple feed on the propaganda never looking up!

170 posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:16 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: hawaiian
Yes, I know he is popular and he has done a good job generally with the terrorism issues, but this is an act of TREASON! China is stil providing arms to terrorists as we speak, and like the elephant in the corner, people just keep ignoring it because big business wants into that market.... CHINA HAS NO RIGHT TO HAVE NORMALIZED TRADE STATUS WITH THE UNITED STATES! IT IS AN OPRESSIVE REGIME THAT HARBORS AND AIDS OUR ENEMIES AND OPRESSES AND MURDERS ITS OWN CITIZENS.
171 posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:20 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: nightdriver
We had a sample of that when we had a shortage of things like sugar and copper and rubber during WW2. It wasn't a lot of fun. What with the US importing 65% of its crude oil these days, an embargo of our supply would be catastrophic.

It isn't just the shortage of natural resources, since there's a lot of cutting back that could be done by consumers, but the transition would be horrendous. I'm concerned that we no longer make our own shoes, appliances, computer parts, etc. We don't have the ingenuity that my dad's generation (WWII) did about fixing cars and other machinery, building things, running small businesses.

And, we are in an economic system where the corporations are so profit and globally oriented that the skills necessary for survival aren't really happening. Really, what are urban-suburban people whose skills involve flipping hamburgers and putting price codes through readers going to do in a real calamity when the powers that be take off to their secluded hideaways?

But, nothing's gonna' happen folks, the chinese are our friends!

172 posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:29 AM PST by grania
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To: grania
---I think, and it is my opinion, that the best defense is a good offense, and to adopt a personal survivalist oriented lifestyle. Waiting around for government to change for the massive better is not going to cut the mustard in taking care of yourself or your family in any serious crisis. At best they would have dismal 'camps" with even more dismal "living conditions". Government's almost complete sole job and interests lie in pepetuating and expanding their command and control, and that's about it. I don't dig being commanded and controlled myself. Now most folks like that scene, or would have no alternative to it, especially if they wait.
173 posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:45 AM PST by zog
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To: grania
But, nothing's gonna' happen folks, the chinese are our friends!

Did you ever wonder what would happen if the UN authorized a blockade against us? No shoes ,coats ,cars,computers,radios ,etc..and no parts to repair" them that is broke"..(including some of our defense equippment)

Nothing to see here folks just keep moving along! Remember daddy's "New World Order"?

174 posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:45 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: duck soup
Why is it that we have a habit of supporting muslims and not christians when it comes to "economic reform" in foreign countries?

I have been arguing for well over a year that our economic policies (particularly where the "saving graces of western materialism" are concerned) are part and parcel of the soulless western capitalists' merger with (if NOT acquisition of) communist and totalitarian leadership.

At its heart, the imposition of "top-down" economic constructs as means to re-form a state/society and vouchsafe individual liberty is not simply utopian but -- IMHO -- a calculated and deliberate deception.

I believe history bears me out.

I think the case can be made that -- as this so-called perestroika opened up the markets, privitized the corporations and allowed for individual initiative in the "former Soviets" -- the West experienced a decided shift toward the totalitarian as water found a level.

(I could start with the icemen CEO's and their five-year plans for liquidating the masses as they jettison America's manufacturing capability, destroy her steel mills and mow down what's left of the independent companies and suck them into the leviathan mega-corporations the likes of which the evidently fascist Clinton proposed turning into State Corporations by investing our so-called "surplus" for us ... but I won't.)

I guess the folks for whom I feel the most sorry are the starry-eyed libertarian sorts who've somehow confused capitalism with democracy or freedom and missed entirely the lessons of Lenin's NEP.

Where capitalism and capitalists have failed to heed the essential Christian caveats on capitalism, they end up far more closely aligned with fascism and socialism than they do Christianity.

Perhaps that's one reason George H. Bush (in a 1991 commencement address at Yale wherein he laid out "Clinton's" China policy) sounds so similar to Peter Singer and his discussions of how the New Left needs to acknowledge that the Right had certain things correct the whole time ... both excerpted here: A World Trade Center Discussion of Doing Business with China

177 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:22 AM PST by Askel5
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To: zog
---I think, and it is my opinion, that the best defense is a good offense, and to adopt a personal survivalist oriented lifestyle. Waiting around for government to change for the massive better is not going to cut the mustard in taking care of yourself or your family in any serious crisis.

I'm with you on the personal survivalist lifestyle. But, that can only increase the odds of survival; it can't guarentee anything if the government can't be ahead of huge well orchestrated plots to take down buildings. But, don't you worry about all of those people who will go nuts if the government stops providing sustinence?

178 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:24 AM PST by grania
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To: vannrox; Uncle Bill
What is going on here?

Bidness as usual, guy.

You might get a kick out of an old post I dug up in the response above ... wherein George H. Bush lays out "Clinton's" China policy.

Where all things Sino are concerned: "It's the Daddy Party, stupid."

Some more of my all-time favs that brought the Escher drawing into focus and made me understand why the Dems had to go to the length of paper bags at Buddhist Temples to draw our attention:


179 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:45 AM PST by Askel5
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To: Askel5
A World Trade Center Discussion of Doing Business with China
180 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:45 AM PST by Askel5
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