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To: sweetliberty
Beginning of the Book says "these things which must shortly come to pass" If you see over 2000 years as "shortly" your perception of time is warped...
14 posted on 12/08/2001 9:27:00 AM PST by Tornado
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To: Tornado
You sure you posted this to the right person?
16 posted on 12/08/2001 9:30:03 AM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Tornado
Tornado, how many times do I have to tell you: a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. What is time to God?
18 posted on 12/08/2001 9:30:45 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: Tornado
if you see over 2000 years as shortly, then your perception of time is warped

sort of reminds me of a frank an earnest cartoon. the two are talking to god:

frank: "is it true that a second to you is like a million years?"
god: "yes"
earnest: "is it true that to you a penny is like a million dollars?"
god: "yes again"
frank: "can you give us a penny?"
god: "of course. just a second"

if you believe that the bible is the divine word of god, you must realize that the wisdom inside is from god, and that statemets are often times from his perspective.

24 posted on 12/08/2001 9:38:29 AM PST by mlocher
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To: Tornado
Beginning of the Book says "these things which must shortly come to pass" If you see over 2000 years as "shortly" your perception of time is warped...

The book was written about the first century AD, not today. Thats what they seem to overlook because they feel as the "true believers" that they are going to get a free ticket out just in time to avoid the "tribulation." Nero was the Anti-Christ. There is no rapture.

34 posted on 12/08/2001 9:53:31 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Tornado
"these things which must shortly come to pass"

a more accurate interpretation of this in the Greek is "these things which must rapidly come to pass" meaning once it gets started it will come to pass in a short amount of time. preterists are way off the mark.

44 posted on 12/08/2001 10:13:22 AM PST by week 71
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To: Tornado
Beginning of the Book says " these things which must come to pass " if you see over 2,000 yrs as "shoetly" your perception of time is warped."

Please note, in Strong's concordance the translation of the word shortly:

Strong's coco5034 tachos {takh'-os} AV - shortly + 1722 4, quickly + 1722 2, speedily + 1722 1; 7 1) quickness, speed

In other words, once you see these signs that must appear, these signs will appear one right after the other, " quickly, speedily". It was not said to mean in a short span of time.

109 posted on 12/09/2001 8:21:55 AM PST by DreamWeaver
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To: Tornado
If you see over 2000 years as "shortly" your perception of time is warped...

Depends on whose point of view you're looking at it from: God's or yours.

2 Peter 3:8-9 "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

To the Preterists, I say this: Show me one historical account that completely lines up with the severity of the plagues and judgments detailed in Revelation, and show me where the Mt. of Olives has been split in two, EVER, as is detailed in Zechariah 14:3-4

"Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north and half of it toward the south."
This has not happened yet, so it is future, and refers to a battle between the Lord and the armies of the world. There is no independent account of the Lord Jesus returning in 70 AD in any form, certainly not in a way that "every eye shall see". Jesus' Second Coming is still future, as are the Trumpet, Bowl and Vial judgments, the Anti-Christ, and Armageddon.
165 posted on 12/11/2001 1:10:34 PM PST by nobdysfool
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To: Tornado
If you'll look through the Bible more carefully you'll see that even Jesus doesn't know the time, so why would John who wrote Revelations? It will come like a thief in the night and yes I too believe most has already come to pass.

On a side note, to God 2000 years is but a blink of an eye.

173 posted on 12/13/2001 3:37:38 AM PST by wwjdn
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