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Forbidden Grief After Abortion
Priests for Life | December 3, 2001 | Father Frank Pavone

Posted on 12/04/2001 7:13:41 AM PST by toenail

In her book to be released in 2002, my friend Dr. Theresa Burke writes,

"There is no social norm for dealing with an abortion. There are no Hallmark cards for friends who have had an abortion, declaring either sympathy or congratulations. We don't send flowers. We don't have any ceremonies, either joyous or mournful. We have no social customs or rules of etiquette governing acknowledgment of an abortion. Instead, we all try to ignore it."

The book, "Forbidden Grief," with which Dr. David Reardon also collaborated, demonstrates that grief after abortion is neither expected nor permitted in our society. Drawing from their vast experience of post-abortion counseling, the authors illustrate some of the ways that this "disenfranchised grief" eats away at the personality, and results in harmful and bizarre behavior.

As a graduate student, Theresa Burke led a weekly support group for women with eating disorders. The meeting exploded out of control one night when, unexpectedly, the topic of abortion arose. Six of the eight participants had had abortions. This led Theresa to begin exploring the connections. One woman explained, "I am never hungry when I binge. I eat because I am full. Full of anger, hurt, sadness, and loneliness. I throw up because that is the way I empty myself of those feelings."

Every thought and emotion we have is connected to other thoughts, emotions, and memories. Connections to the negative memories associated with abortion are often overlooked, even by professional therapists.

Forbidden Grief reveals many of the connections. For example, those who undergo a trauma often re-enact that trauma, in a subconscious effort to articulate, understand, and master it. One client became obsessed with pregnancy after her abortion. She explains, "I used to go to the maternity section in department storesI usually had a towel stuffed in my pantyhose to make it look like I was pregnantbut as soon as I'd get in my car I would cry my head offI'd rip the towel out of my belly to dry my tears. I'd tell myself, you're not pregnant this is just a stupid towel."

Another rode horseback regularly without padded pants, until she bled profusely, hence re-enacting the abortion.

One way or another, we ritualize our grief.

We also sometimes try to trivialize it when we know it's too much to bear. Dr. Burke describes a dorm party in which the students, many post-abortive, played "Baby Soccer." The broken heads of dolls were kicked around the room gleefully, their eyes gouged out with darts, their cheeks burned with cigarette butts.

Other post-abortive individuals increase their risk-taking behavior, hoping they will get caught or hurt. After all, they know they are guilty, and may seek an experience to confirm that.

When society trivializes abortion, people suffering from it will, cry out by their actions, "I'm not OK! I'm in tremendous pain! Can anyone help me?" We need to tell them we know that pain, and that it makes sense to grieve. Only then can healing begin.


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To: Verax
Ditto that. Pro-choice is anti-baby. And on a real level, it does women no favors.
61 posted on 12/05/2001 3:16:39 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: homeschool mama
For repentance, mercy and grace both.
62 posted on 12/05/2001 3:18:24 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Dr. Octagon
bump
63 posted on 12/05/2001 3:28:05 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: pcl
Greetings. PCL, I considered ignoring your post. I read this article in full last night, and decided to respond. I see several inconsistencies in this article and wanted to discuss them. (This is also a shameless effort to keep this subjected “bumped”. Is that the correct FR term? LOL)

Note: These are my personal thoughts. Yes I talk to myself when I read. LOL

First of all, it would be nice if you would have provided a link. I don’t have the time to “Google search” this to find the source. I was saddened to see such a heartfelt, sad, yet loving discussion ruined with a venomous article.

"PAS — sounds scientific, but don't be fooled — it's a made-up term". Makes no sense at all. All words are made up. The word “sky” is made up, but that doesn’t mean the “sky” doesn’t exist.

"Not recognized as an official syndrome or diagnosis by the American Psychiatric Association , the American Psychological Association" Why am I not surprised?

"bogus affliction invented by the religious right". Rude sentence. Plenty of non-religious people and groups are Pro-life.

"Using the allure of outward compassion". How dare this writer assert such a hateful claim. Oh yes, I forgot. Only Pro-Choicers are the almighty compassionate ones. I could flip this sentence around and use it against Pro-Choicers. In my eyes, they use the allure of outward compassion to sucker panic stricken women into doing something wrong. Yes, butchering your un-born child is WRONG!

"the way to make recompense is usually to speak out against abortion," says Rev. Cynthia Bumb, an activist who has followed PAS activity closely. The groups tell PAS sufferers to lobby for anti-choice legislation" First of all, no one is FORCED to do anything. You are not required, it is gently suggested, if suggested at all. The woman can decide if she wants to or not. Other than that, I see nothing wrong with this. In fact…I give a big WOOHOO!!! “Tell it like it is sister”!!! Women who have suffered through an abortion our some of our most outspoken, most convincing HERO’s we have on our side. God bless them!

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64 posted on 12/06/2001 7:40:18 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: pcl
”Claiming that abortion causes women psychological suffering conveniently flips the debate so that the anti-choice movement seems less callous toward women's concerns and more focused on women's "health." You’re darn right it does and I am VERY proud to see the Pro-Life movement move in this direction. Although I feel we have been concerned about women’s health all along, I don’t think we have conveyed that very well. This is a WONDERFUL piece of news. Makes me very happy to see the pro-choice movement squirm.

”an October 2000 Gallup poll found that two-thirds of Americans surveyed said they are against a constitutional amendment that would overturn the right to abortion established in Roe v. Wade” Sigh……..this is most unfortunate. Too bad they didn’t take this poll 30 years ago, before the Pro-Choice movement had 30 years to brain wash the public into thinking a helpless, innocent little baby is OK TO KILL!!!. Ugh!. There are two types of lies. Lies and polls. I don’t believe this at all. Where did Gallop survey? California? Massachusetts?

”Reardon told Priests for Life. "The potential of post-abortion healing . . . can rapidly change the whole dynamic of the abortion debate in this country. And I am really confident that we will see an end to abortion within the decade." You know what? Pro-deather’s are scared out of their freaking pants because the information is getting out about how much suffering women have gone through. They are going to start LOSING influence. Women are waking up. I see it all the time. “I use to be pro-choice but after seeing what my sister/friend went through and thinking about this, I’m against abortion now”. Wonderful!

”he calls them "post-aborted women" — and then use them as "compelling advocates for the unborn." Says Reardon We don’t use anyone. They volunteer to share their suffering, and they will be blessed for doing so. And yes, they ARE compelling advocates for the unborn. We love them!

”He wants the message of the antiabortion movement to be, "abortion hurts women." And he's getting his wish” Thank God!! Wonderful news!

”Of course, the overwhelming scientific evidence shows that abortion does not hurt women — physically or mentally” OK, who is doing the science here?

”insufficient evidence of trauma”. Insufficient evidence means nothing to me. There was once insufficient evidence to prove the earth was round. Most unfortunate that Mr. Koop didn’t get to talk to my college room mate. She managed to keep her pregnancy secret (a baby she wanted) for 7 months. Her mother found out and drove her to another state to receive a 3rd trimester abortion. Good God almighty, may he show mercy on that poor girls soul. She was a basket case, to put it mildly. And while I’m at it, I wonder why that doctor took the mothers money and forced this young girl to undergo an abortion she didn’t want? THIS IS CHOICE????? It’s all about MONEY! That poor girl was so messed up. She screamed and cried every night. I got no sleep the first semester of my Sophomore year at college, because I had to comfort, hold and pray with the poor thing every night. My sleep depravation weighed very little, compared to that young woman’s emotional torture. It was horrible!! CHOICE my butt!!!

(This was a huge turning point in my life. Up until this point, I was strongly pro-life for me and everyone, but basically I felt I couldn’t really tell a woman what to do. If she wanted an abortion, I would try to talk her out of it. If I couldn’t, I would support her decision. After living 4 months with a screaming, weeping girl, I changed my mind forever. This IS about women’s health to me, and the health of their unborn child).

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65 posted on 12/06/2001 7:44:27 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: pcl
(Last post I swear).

”The predominant sensation women felt following an abortion was relief, the group said.” This is very true. They all felt relief, FOR AWHILE. That’s the number one thing I hear all the time in our classes. “I felt relief at first, but later it hit me”.

”Severe post-abortion psychological distress is extremely rare, affecting just one percent of patients.” Bull!! Cotton pickin lie if I ever heard one. Ball faced LIE!!! This is SCIENCE? Whatever!

”Major, who, along with other researchers, tracked women for two years after they had first-trimester abortions” Hmmmmmm…..Gotcha on this one. Do you know probably 90% of the women who come for post abortion support, come about 5 to 10 years later. They come after they saw their first sonogram of their first born child, or after they have giving birth and see what they killed the first time around, or are struggling with infertility. We hardly ever have teenagers or young adults come for support. Very sad!

”Suzanne Poppema…(edited)….has little tolerance for PAS — "because it doesn't exist," Ohhhhhhhhhh really?????? Well, we’ll just see about that. How surprising to see such a “tolerant” liberal (assuming) make such a statement. She has little “tolerance” for suffering women, because THEY don’t exist. If it doesn’t suit her cause, she can erase them from existence.

"This is an invention of those who oppose choice," says Vicki Saporta, NAF's executive director.” WE didn’t invent anything! WE don’t invent the thousands of women walking into clinics with broken hearts. WE didn’t invent their suffering. WE don’t round them up with a gun and force them to admit their grief and suffering. Stupid sentence if you ask me.

”The alternatives to abortion — carrying a pregnancy to term and either keeping the child or making an adoption placement — can have a serious impact on a woman's mental health”. I find this very sad. I also find it to be untrue. This is a BIG overgeneralization. Most women thinking about abortion struggle for the first trimester, but once they feel the baby move for the first time, they are elated and relieved they didn’t exercise their CHOICE.

”women in their study who had abortions felt a need to keep them secret from friends and/or family for fear of social disapproval. The effort of concealment itself was a major source of distress for women, the study said. "Women are hypersensitive to the sociopolitical climate and how it affects their feelings<”/b> What a minute here. I thought two thirds of the American public (polled) supported abortion. Could it be, they are ashamed because they did something they knew was MORALLY WRONG? They are ashamed to tell their mother, for example, who is pro-choice for everyone except herself and her daughters. They know their mother would be heart broken and say, “Why didn’t you come to me. I could have helped you. I would have supported you”.

”In response to these forces, some pro-choice activists are trying new approaches. NAF has a hot line, staffed with trained personnel who are willing to help women sort through their issues and give referrals to psychotherapists. Both The Healing Choice and Peace After Abortion provide exercises to help women review why they made the decision to have an abortion and their feelings about it.” Oh this is just too good! What a hoot! What a minute here. I thought PAS was “not scientific”. I thought it was “bogus”. I thought it was an “invention” of the religious right. I thought it was “dirty play at it’s worst”. I thought Suzanne Popperma has “little tolerance for PAS because it doesn’t exist”. I thought Vicki Saporta claims, “This is an invention of those who oppose choice”. I thought Brenda Major said “PAS only affects 1% of patients”. The first part of the article claims this is all bogus. The article ends, with NAF has a hotline of their very own to help grieving women. HA!!! Makes perfect sense to me.

”In Binghamton, New York, Johnston offers women a polished stone before the abortion, and describes Native American and Buddhist rituals to help the healing process. "I tell them, 'There is no Hallmark card for you, but it doesn't mean you can't honor your loss,'" she says. The touch is personal, but Johnston also sees this approach as a political act to erase the stigma of abortion and silence the anti-abortion thunder.” DISGUSTING!!!!! “Hey, I’ll trade you that baby for a ROCK”. A ROCK????? AUGH!!! Oh how very compassionate. “I’ll murder your baby for $500 and I’ll give you a rock for it”. Sounds like a fair trade huh? I can’t remember when I have heard something so ridiculous, so disgusting, so…..UGH!!. Just absolutely pathetic.

"A lot of the rhetoric of the anti-choice movement has really burdened women," says Johnston I beg your pardon. A WOMAN’S DEAD CHILD AND HER TREMENDOUS GUILT IS REALLY THE BURDEN HERE.

I mean no disrespect to anyone who disagrees with me. Peace and have a nice day!

66 posted on 12/06/2001 7:49:04 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
Thanks for the point by point rebuttal, I knew someone here would be interested in knowing what the opposition was publishing relative to the topic of this tread. To be forwarned is to be forarmed.

There are those whose minds are made up to such a degree that they will not accept one word of one or the other of these disertations. There are others who see some truth in both.

Personally I do believe that some women are truely distressed that they aborted. The eastern cultures and religons while freely permitting abortions also have rituals designed to deal with the post abortion distress if it comes up. The rituals are kind, not pumitive. The women of these Eastern Cultures do not feel guilt from the abortion, they feel the sadness that could come from any lost child.

Most of the Western post abortion stress comes from the artificial guilt imposed by those who are against abortion. Mostly, American women are not allowed to feel the pure grief of a lost child. Western woman who dare to express such grief are generally slapped in the face with guilt, thus they suffer their grief alone and without relief.

67 posted on 12/06/2001 3:13:47 PM PST by pcl
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To: SpookBrat
As per your request: The link to the Anti-PAS Article
68 posted on 12/06/2001 3:20:08 PM PST by pcl
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To: SpookBrat
Well thought and written reply. Let's face it. You were quite smart when you got here.
69 posted on 12/06/2001 3:39:02 PM PST by katana
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To: pcl
A mother who can kill her own child and not grieve would be far worse off than one who would grieve. There might be some women who can coldly kill their child and have it mean nothing at all but I'm sure most have some kind of sadness even if they don't admit it and it might hit them years later.
70 posted on 12/06/2001 3:43:12 PM PST by FITZ
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To: pcl
When my sister was one-month pregnant, my mother figured it out right away when she slipped and started to fall, instead of her arms going out to catch herself, instinctively her hands went to her abdomen to protect her baby. Completely unconscious and unintended but a real woman's instincts are to put her baby's life before her own. Of course some women are nothing but plastic sex-hungry shells and have no love or real emotion.
71 posted on 12/06/2001 3:47:06 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
My wife and I have been having unprotected sex for over a decade, and we don't have any children. It's disheartening for me to read about this subject, it really is.
72 posted on 12/06/2001 3:56:44 PM PST by mvpel
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To: toenail
God will forgive all those who are sincere and ask for forgiveness. If one is Catholic they should talk to a priest and go to confession.

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73 posted on 12/06/2001 4:03:20 PM PST by Coleus
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To: SpookBrat
Very good rebuttal. Welcome aboard.
74 posted on 12/06/2001 4:21:11 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Coleus
If you are a Catholic, you can also visit

Catholics For Free Choice and

California Catholics For Free Choice.

75 posted on 12/06/2001 4:23:48 PM PST by pcl
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To: pcl
The women of these Eastern Cultures do not feel guilt from the abortion, they feel the sadness that could come from any lost child.

You appear to be incorrect. This is excerpted from an article at http://www.belmont.edu/philosophy/courses/Japandabortion.html

Liquid Life: Abortion in Japan


Taken from W. Lafleur

Ronnie Littlejohn

A growing number of temples in Japan are offering mizuko kuyo rituals. There are ritual ceremonies of apology and remembrance for aborted fetuses, or the stillborn and miscarried. By far the most common motivation for the mizuko kuyo rituals is that they are religious services specifically attuned to the needs of parents who had abortions and who seek to assuage the guilt they feel.

Some temples have as the reason for their existence the mizuko kuyo rites. These temples have been the object of much public criticism. They provide rites almost exclusively for aborted fetuses. An example of such a temple is Shiun-zan Jizo-ji, in the city of Chichibu about two hours from Tokyo. In English the name is "the Temple of Jizo on the Mountain of the Purple Cloud." Although called a temple, it is really a mountain bochi, a cemetery or memorial park. There are rows upon rows of Jizo images, all diminutive, child-sized. Virtually every one wears a large red bib, the sort usually worn by an infant or young child in Japan. Around the images are toys, umbrellas, garments, and hats. Two things are conflated here which the West holds as separate as possible: the cemetery and the nursery. Persons who come here are usually parents and siblings of the deceased child. The actions they undertake to show loving attention to the dead child include washing the image of Jizo, providing fresh flowers, and bringing a toy or garment.

Buddhist parents think of the aborted mizuko as being sent back to this liquid state to bide its time until another opportunity at incarnation. Mizuko Kuyo rites are not funerals. These aborted fetuses or dead infants are not seen as part of the ancestral dead. Mizuko are in a kind of children's limbo called Sai-no-kawara or "the Riverbank in the land of Sai". This is a boundary place. There are actually places in Japan which are emblematic of Sai-no-kawara because of their forlorn feel. These are usually sea shore beaches. Little stone Jizo icons are often arranged in these places in rows of hundreds at a time. An impressive such place is at the northernmost tip of the island of Sado in the Japan sea. It can be reached only by walking from the road. Unlike the more hopeful and comforting atmosphere of the Purple Cloud Temple, these places are sad and gloomy.

76 posted on 12/06/2001 4:33:55 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: pcl
"Catholics For Free Choice"

They're not Catholic, which makes them liars.

77 posted on 12/06/2001 4:34:33 PM PST by toenail
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To: pcl
One problem, a Catholic can not be for abortion of any kind, it's against our religion. Remember God gave us "free will" yes a choice, and if one chooses to go against God, she will not feel His judgement until judgement day.

I will certainly not want to be in her shoes, alone, before God on judgement day. Wow.

Living in hell for eternity is a long time.

And for some strange reason, I don't thing God is pro choice. I honestly believe God is Pro Life, could it be it was the first rule of the Jewish peoples Pentateuch, which contained 613 rules. I think it said be fruitful and multiply.

Hope you like the heat. Maybe you can bring an air conditioner with you.

78 posted on 12/06/2001 5:09:12 PM PST by Coleus
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To: pcl
Well, I'll admit I'm interested. My husband and I went to see Aerosmith last night and I printed your article out and read it on the long drive to Dallas.

I'll have to think about your thoughts on other religions some more. I find the study of religion fascinating myself. I don’t know you personally and I certainly am hoping this doesn’t come across as judgmental towards you. But I’m seeing you don’t give Christians a lot of credit for the amount of compassion and love they can offer along with their ability to not judge someone else’s sins. Me? I’ve got plenty of them…I’m the worst person I know. LOL I can never judge the condition of ones soul, but I can judge their actions or my own as “good” or “evil”. I don’t know too many bad “Christians” myself, and if they are bad “Christians”, they aren’t really Christians. Mostly I know very loving, compassionate ones.

The rock thing bothered me the most. Not because I’m opposed to other religions, but because the idea of a ROCK offering some kind of healing is ludicrous to me. A hard, cold rock in exchange for a baby is repugnant to me. Of course, it has something to do with my own personal belief that only THE “spirit” can provide comfort. Why wouldn’t they offer a woman a cross? Would it be because she would be reminded of what the man who died on it, said about murder? To me that would suggest, deny God (the Judeo Christian God) and everything he says, and you won’t suffer the guilt he imposes. Deny God and killing your unborn is OK. You know, the Ninevites didn’t know the Hebrew God, and they still felt guilt and shame when they were “slapped in the face” with their sins. It doesn’t matter what God you know…..you are still going to have feelings of guilt. Soooooooo…..offer her a rock and it will help her “not feel guilty”. A ROCK isn’t going to make it go away. There is such a thing as appropriate shame. That’s what is wrong with this country, IMHO. People have no “appropriate” shame for their bad behavior.

Deny God and you can do whatever you want and not feel guilty. Guilt, just like any other emotion, is God given. When the spirit is ready, it will move your heart into action of repentance or amend making. Existence of guilt can also keep you from doing something wrong. If human beings had no guilt at all, we would all be sociopaths, and anarchy would reign. Human beings would cease to exist without the feeling of “guilt” or "shame". Of course, that's just my humble opinion.

I have never personally witnessed a woman being “slapped in the face with guilt”. I suppose it happens. When I hear of or personally witness a woman confessing her abortion, I hear sad tears and I see arms wrapped around the poor woman. I’ve never seen smoke coming out of someone’s nose while condemning the woman to the innermost parts of hell. I think the Pro-Choice movement would have the world believe this happens.

About being closed or open minded. Abortion is probably the ONLY thing I will NEVER “open” my mind for. I’ve made up my mind. To be open minded for me personally would be questioning my stance. I do not question my stance. I believe it is wrong and I will always believe it is wrong. Wrong for the baby and the mothers life. Anything else, I can be swayed with a logical argument (not easily, but there is a chance). LOL

79 posted on 12/06/2001 5:17:44 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
Ack!! Sorry....dad gum, I'm long winded. My husband teases me, "Can't you ever be brief woman"???? Nope. I can't. Not about this subject. LOL Sorry for giving so much to read.
80 posted on 12/06/2001 5:21:28 PM PST by SpookBrat
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