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Lot of hardcore Truth here.......

But then again...when are Politician's interested in the Truth.

redrock

1 posted on 11/26/2001 5:32:01 PM PST by redrock
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L.Neil Smith BUMP!!!!

redrock

2 posted on 11/26/2001 5:35:49 PM PST by redrock
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Safire has another excellent column today. Interesting material on the military tribunals. Don't let them take away or erode our constitution.
3 posted on 11/26/2001 5:36:09 PM PST by Gimlet
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You included me today. Now I don't have to whack you :) This is a terrific post. Thanks.
5 posted on 11/26/2001 5:39:09 PM PST by Demidog
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What are you? Some kind of wacko libertarian? You must be high on something. How dare you point out these things? Don't you know this stupid document was written over 200 years ago? They could never have forseen the problems we have today.

< /sarcasm>

8 posted on 11/26/2001 5:46:44 PM PST by Protagoras
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The Bill of Rights is what America is all about. Without it, we'd be just like any other country with too much government. We'd be like China, or Russia, or Germany without the Bill of Rights. As somebody said, we'd be the world's biggest banana republic. Every problem America ever had could have been solved by enforcing the Bill of Rights. Every problem America has now could be solved by enforcing the Bill of Rights. Every problem America will ever have will be solved by enforcing the Bill of Rights.

My exact feelings expressed much more eloquently than I could ever manage.

13 posted on 11/26/2001 6:05:19 PM PST by AUgrad
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But this article fails to address a key (perhaps THE key) issue.

Does the Bill of Rights apply to all humans on planet earth? All illegal immigrants within the borders of the US? All aliens threatening violence against the US? What DID the founders intend?

14 posted on 11/26/2001 6:07:54 PM PST by cookcounty
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This is a well written article. I highly recommend that President Bush and Attorney General Ashcroft read it.
15 posted on 11/26/2001 6:12:24 PM PST by Mini-14
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May I ask a question. I have heard the libertarian spill about why the Republican Party does not represent the Constitution, but What About the Constitution Party?

Why do libertarians think that it is They who Represent what the Constitution is about, What is wrong with the Constitution Party?

Let me guess, The Constitution Party doesn't Support Homosexuals, Abortion, Sexual Deviants, Pot Smoking, Crack Smuggling, Gambling, Pornography, Ect...

These are all things that the Constitution and our Founding Fathers wanted protected right?

18 posted on 11/26/2001 6:36:30 PM PST by FF578
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I missed this one too! Add me to your list or I'll put a spell on the deer to make them hang out on the road.
21 posted on 11/26/2001 6:47:28 PM PST by nunya bidness
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There is only one correct way to interpret the Bill of Rights. Put yourself in the Founding Fathers' place: if you had just finished a long, bloody shooting war against the biggest, most violently ruthless empire on the planet -- and surprised yourself and everybody else by winning it -- and the last thing you wanted was to find yourself, your children, or their children under the heel of tyranny again, exactly what would you have intended the Bill of Rights to mean?

Interestingly enough, no bill of rights was argued for in the Publius letters of the Federalist, who made the case for the constitution to be ratified as it was. The first 46 [over half!] are concerned with the need for a stronger central government. That was both the primary reason for calling a federal convention and the basis for most of the opposition to its product. We have a Bill of Rights due to the anti-Federalists, who vigourously attacked the constitution because it lacked such an addendum.

23 posted on 11/26/2001 7:02:26 PM PST by JMJ333
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Is it possible you would have given government -- which the Founders saw as the natural enemy of human freedom, dignity, and hope --

That isn't completely accurate, as Alexander Hamilton and other founding fathers like Madison whole-heartedly supported a strong central government. If it weren't for the anti-Federalists we may have had a much more centralized system to begin with. The aims of the Federalist Papers --insuring domestic tranquility, forming a more perfect union, and providing for the common defense--all emphasize Hamilton's conception of the nature and purpose of government, which can only be described as favoring strong centralization.

Hamilton was a mercantilist who favored government aid for commerce and industry, especially manufacturing and banking. He thought the country needed a reliable centralized banking system.

29 posted on 11/26/2001 7:22:12 PM PST by JMJ333
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Conspiracy Nuts? To Hear Site Click on to hear clips from speeches
38 posted on 11/26/2001 7:50:05 PM PST by expose
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48 posted on 11/26/2001 8:06:18 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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Hasn't the Bill of Rights been pretty well shredded by now? We think that we still have those rights, in theory anyway. After all, they are God-given rights, more or less. But in practical application, we have the rights given us by the state. It has been that way for some time now.

How do you cook a frog? You do it by heating the water very slowly. It has been the same way with the Bill of Rights. They have been chipping away at it bit-by-bit for sometime. And we have lost our rights bit-by-bit.

50 posted on 11/26/2001 8:09:09 PM PST by Don Myers
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A GREAT BIG BILL-O-RIGHTS BUMPTTT
54 posted on 11/26/2001 8:18:32 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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Good article bump.

I hope the point is not missed - if we had constitutional government we wouldn't be in this war.

83 posted on 11/27/2001 6:49:32 AM PST by NC_Libertarian
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Any government employee, elected or appointed, from policeman to President, who violates it, no matter what justification he offers, is a criminal.

Give me a break, this is seditious stuff. THis is just another slicker way of saying make love not war... since in war the bill of right does not apply. No civilization was ever founded on freedom but on war, death and submission to tyranical orders from military leaders.

Wake up America, you are dreaming in utopia.

85 posted on 11/27/2001 6:57:21 AM PST by lavaroise
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btt
94 posted on 11/27/2001 9:47:21 AM PST by harpseal
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BUMP.....for Dec.15...Bill of Rights Day.

redrock--Constitutional Terrorist

112 posted on 12/14/2001 8:44:16 PM PST by redrock
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Any government employee, elected or appointed, from policeman to President, who violates it, no matter what justification he offers, is a criminal.

What recourse is available to an American citizen if a government official violates his rights?

113 posted on 12/14/2001 8:51:18 PM PST by victim soul
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