His Name - the Mighty God; Why saints cannot be brothers with those who deny Jesus is THE Mighty God

The Spurgeon Archive ^ | 1859 | C.H. Spurgeon

[CCWoody]

Since 09/11/01 I have told everyone who will listen, that if everyone would just stop converting everyone else we would all be a lot safer. But then I`m a Pagan what do we know? - vladog

Probably the same thing I knew when I was a pagan; how to hate God. But, I will listen to whatever you have to say.

Ok, I'll try to make it simpler --Christians can be just as fanatical as Moslems. The fundamentalists of both religions believe they have the One True Faith and that all others are heathens. - Lchris

BTW, this is how us fanatical saints convert people:

Around 1980 there was a time of severe persecution from the local officials of the communist government in my area of Wolayta [Africa]. At the time, I was working in a government office, but I was also serving as the leader of the Christian youth association for all the churches in my area. The communist officials repeatedly came to me to ask for my help in teaching the doctrines of the revolution among the youth. Many others Christians were giving in because the pressure was very great, but I would only say no.

At first, their approach was positive: they offered me promotions and pay increases. But then the imprisonments began. The first two were fairly short. The third time lasted an entire year. During this time communist cadres would regularly come to brainwash the nine of us believers (six men and three women--one of whom would later become my wife) who were being held together. But when one of the cadres converted to Christ, we were beaten and forced to haul water from long distances and carry heavy stones to clear farm land.

The worst time came during a two-week period in which the prison official would wake us early while it was still dark when no one could see and force us to walk on our bare knees over a distance of up to 1 1/2 kilometers on the gravel road of the town. It would take us about three hours. After the first day, the blood flowed from our wounds like a fountain, but we felt nothing.

On another occasion one particularly brutal prison official forced us to lie on our backs under the blazing sun for six straight hours. I don't know why I said it, but when we finished I told him, "You caused the sun's rays to strike us, but God will strike you." A short time later, the official contracted severe diabetes and died.

When the communist government fell several years later, the head official invited us back to preach in the jail. At that time, twelve prisoners being held for murder received Christ. We have continued to minister in the prison, and there are now 170 believers. Most of the prison officials have also believed.

-- From a missionary letter.

When we suffer and are hated for no other reason than we have a saving relationship with the Living God, we magnify Christ in both life and death. We complete in our bodies what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ. And people see that Christ is more to be desired than anything in life. To compare us to fanatical muslims and/or claim that we are responsible for 9/11 does nothing more than reveal bigotry and hatred.

[CCWoody]

Yeah, but what we all really want to know is: What does he have to say about Harry Potter?

This sermon has a lot to say about the movie/books. Tell me if I am wrong, but doesn't Harry over the course of the movie find purpose in his sorcery? To find purpose in anything but God is no different than idolarty.

[CCWoody]

Do you have a scripture that teaches "tolerance" of sin? - RnMomof7

I have several (see below). - strela

No, you don't. There is not a single verse in the entire Bible that teaches that we should tolerate sin. I prayed this prayer this very morning:

I hate every false way (Psalm 119)

And my Bible also teaches this:

Abhor what is evil.

Therefore, I hate sin. I hate my sin; I hate all sin. I refuse to tolerate it. I go to war against sin every single day.

[CCWoody]

Matthew 5

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

So, you have made peace with Jesus the Christ, the Mighty God, Everlasting Father; you have made peace with this Person?

Matthew 5

Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Are you perfect?

You quoted these verses to me, now answer the questions!

[CCWoody]

The intolerance of those who dogmatically advocate universal allegiance to Nothing is rather breathtaking, isn't it?

Yep! What they cannot accept is that they as well must believe that at some point from absolute nothing, something happened. We believe in intelligent creation, they believe in intelligentless creation. While we have faith, they have blind faithlessness.

[CCWoody]

Not all believers are trinitarians. Yahshua is the son of Yahweh, not Yahweh Himself.

Huh! Yahshua is Yahweh Himself. David was a trinitarian:

You are fairer than the sons of men; Grace is poured upon Your lips; Therefore God has blessed You forever. Gird Your sword upon Your thigh, O Mighty One, With Your glory and Your majesty.

Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You love righteousness and hate wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.

So, we have David speaking in the Spirit (3rd Person of the Triniy) with the Father (1st Persons) calling the Son (2nd Person) God.

And you must really have difficulty with the verse under discussion:

For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

But again, we call Christ our Saviour. Now, have any of you that foolish credulity which would lead you to trust in a man for the everlasting salvation of your soul? If you have, I pity you: your proper place is not in a Protestant assembly, but among the deluded votaries of Rome. If you can commit the keeping of your soul to one like yourself, I must indeed mourn over you, and pray that you may be taught better. - From the Sermon.

[CCWoody]

I have to laugh at the way morons continually attempt to utilize the Gospels as a hammer. I see that even shop class was too difficult for them, let alone theology.

And yet it was Jesus himself who said that He did not come for some people to their faces in church. And it was Jesus who said that certain people would never taste His Marriage Supper while eating with these very same people. And it was Jesus who said that certain men were not of father Abraham, but of the Devil to their faces. And it was Jesus who said that certain men were not His sheep to their faces.

BTW, my Bible says that if anyone does not abide in the doctrine of Christ then I am not to receive them into my house; or even greet him. My Bible says that if I even greet him then I share in his evil deeds.

Oh, and I enjoy reading comments from those who cannot do anything other than offer up a bunch of idiotic insults against one of the greatest pastors the world has ever known.

[CCWoody]

And now we have Christian fanatics who bomb abortion clinics.

These people are not Christian.

[CCWoody]

Jesus would be ashamed of Spurgeon.

He was of the Jewish faith but had little tolerance for the self-righteous and exclusive.

Read my post #88.

[strela]

I have several (see below). - strela

No, you don't.

My God loves the sinner but hates the sin; sorry to hear about yours.

I hate every false way (Psalm 119)
And my Bible also teaches this:
Abhor what is evil.
Therefore, I hate sin. I hate my sin; I hate all sin. I refuse to tolerate it. I go to war against sin every single day.

The concepts of 'hate' and 'war' seem to be recurring themes in your post. How instructive and illuminating.

[malakhi]

Thanks, zeebob.

[Emmanual_Goldstein16]

Ps. 45:7-8 The eternal and everlasting God has enthroned you! The scepter of your kingdom must be a scepter of equity. You must love justice and hate iniquity because God, your God has annointed you. Or 7 Thy throne given of God, endureth forever and ever: the scepter of equity is the scepter of thy kingdom.

These two translations are from The Anchor Bible and The Holy Bible< Hebrew publishing Co. I dont have a problem with the other scripture either. Is. 9:6... and his name shall be called Wonder of a Counsellor, Mighty Judge of the everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

As far as the Holy Spirit of Yahweh, in Hebrew it is refered to as she, just as wisdom is refered to as she. Both words are feminine in gender, but it doesn't make them persons. In the New Testament the Holy Spirit is sometimes he and sometimes it. Also the definite article is sometimes used and sometimes not in the greek. We all " see through a glass darkly" and prophesy in part.

Shalom

[zeebob]

You're welcome angelo.

[Wm Bach]

BTW, my Bible says that if anyone does not abide in the doctrine of Christ then I am not to receive them into my house; or even greet him. My Bible says that if I even greet him then I share in his evil deeds.

YOUR bible is a pompous ass then, isn't it. Or maybe it's just your "missing-the-whole-point" take on it that is so.

I'm pretty sure that it's hard to minister to sinners if you don't sit down and eat with them, much to the everlasting chagrin of Pharisees of all ages.
"He was numbered with the transgressors."-Isaiah 53:12

But then, see? I can whack you on the head with scripture. It makes me a better person - much more holy and pious than thou - to demonstrate The Lord's love by spitting in the face of sinners. Gosh, it would be wonderful to just hide behind locked doors, desperately trying to feel superior, and preaching to an empty choir.

Sincerely, John Carroll.

P.S. I don't hate you personally, really. And Jesus still loves you. Benedictus.

[zeebob]

I don't think the problem is with the scriptures as originally written, but with editorial policies of scribes and translators shading and tweaking and in some instances adding verses wholesale. However with constant comparison one can dig for the gold and indeed find it. Ps.34:8 "O taste and see that Yahweh is good: blessed is the man that trusts in him."

[zeebob]

On the same note , context is vital in proper exegesis, and we all at times want to lift a "zip code" to make a point. Add it all up and you get lots of ideas from folks of different "faith traditions".

[CCWoody]

My God loves the sinner but hates the sin; sorry to hear about yours.

I hate every false way (Psalm 119)
Abhor what is evil.

Therefore, I hate sin. I hate my sin; I hate all sin. I refuse to tolerate it. I go to war against sin every single day.

Would you stop and look at what you posted. You said "My God... hates the sin." HELLO! What do you think I posted. Please look at it again. You are soooo offended by what you read that you are not even thinking straight. You are saying: God hates sin which proves you don't know what you are talking about when you say you hate sin. Please stop and consider everything in the original article again with an open mind and then try to refute it from scripture.

The concepts of 'hate' and 'war' seem to be recurring themes in your post. How instructive and illuminating.

As they are throughout the entire Bible. The Bible says hate every false way. The Bible says abhor evil. These are not my words. They proceed forth from the mouth of God. I must pause and ask if you are not at war with sin, then what are you doing; having a tea party with sin?

Here are a few more verses:

I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Let me repeat: I hate sin. I hate my sin. I hate all sin. I go to war against sin every single day.

[The Grammarian]

As far as the Holy Spirit of Yahweh, in Hebrew it is refered to as she, just as wisdom is refered to as she. Both words are feminine in gender, but it doesn't make them persons. In the New Testament the Holy Spirit is sometimes he and sometimes it. Also the definite article is sometimes used and sometimes not in the greek. We all " see through a glass darkly" and prophesy in part.

Shalom

Actually, the gender of nouns in the OT and NT is rather arbitrary -- the Spirit is referred to as "she" simply because the Hebrew word, ruach, is feminine. In the NT, it's the same way, although you're wrong about the Spirit being "sometimes he and sometimes it." The Spirit is ALWAYS, hyperliterally, "it," because the Greek word, pneuma is a neuter noun.

What gender cases have to do with the Personhood of the Spirit is beyond me.

I am curious though -- you wouldn't happen to be involved with a "Sacred Name" church, would you (Assembly of Yahweh, etc.)?

TG