Is This Gay Behavior Sick?

Too Good Reports ^ | November 21, 2001 | Henry Makow Ph.D.

[Stand Watch Listen]

Imagine that an organism is sick. Imagine that the sick cells convince the organism that they were healthy, and in fact, the healthy cells are sick. The gullible organism would just get sicker and sicker.

This is the relationship between society and homosexuals today. Gays argue that same-sex behavior is no different than being left-handed. On the other hand, they say heterosexual behavior is not natural, but socially conditioned and “oppressive.” Heterosexual society and family are being ravaged. Our stupid, opportunistic and craven leaders have betrayed us. We don´t even know we are at war.

Let´s decide whom, in fact, is sick.

Let´s look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen Ph.D., authors of After the Ball: How America will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90´s(1989).

In Chapter Six, they outline “ten categories of misbehavior,” drawn from their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation with hundreds of other gays. Their contention is that the gay lifestyle, not gay sexuality mind you, “is the pits.” They want gays to improve their image by addressing “what is wrong with a lot of gays.” (276)

What follows are some highlights. As you read this, ask yourself if there is another human community, including the Mafia that could make these generalizations about itself. Ask yourself if we haven´t caught this disease, or at least the sniffles.

•  The authors say “a surprisingly high percentage” of pathological liars and con men are gay. This results from a natural habit of self-concealment, and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one´s own gayness and its implications.

•  They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value judgments. Gay morality boils down to “If it feels good, I´ll do it!” If a gay feels like seducing a trusted friend´s lover, he´ll do it, justifying it as an act of “sexual freedom” and the friend be damned.

•  They say gays suffer from a “narcissistic” personality disorder and they give this clinical description: “pathological self absorption, a need for constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization and devaluation.”

•  As an example of this narcissism, the authors say “a very sizable proportion of gay men” who have been diagnosed HIV positive continue to have unprotected sex.

•  They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such “forbidden” aspects of sex as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia) and sadomasochism, which involves violence.

•  They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is antigay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to importune straight males, including children.

•  Many gays are “single minded sexual predators” fixated on youth and physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are “the real queerbashers.” Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.

•  “Relationships between gay men don´t usually last very long.” They quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation. The “cheating ratio of ‘married´ gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%.”

•  Even friendships are based on the sexual test and hard to sustain. Unattractive gay men find it nearly impossible to find a friend, let alone a lover.

•  The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.

Is there any doubt that this behavior is sick? I feel no malice toward gays. I feel the same way about people who have the flu. I want them to get better and I don´t want it to spread.

Unfortunately, even the authors of this book are deceiving themselves. They claim that it is the gay lifestyle and NOT gay sexuality that is “the pits.” Who are they kidding? The two are inseparable.

The authors of this book are public relations experts who believe that “our problem is fundamentally one of bad image with straights.” The book details “a comprehensive public-relations campaign that should go a long way towards sanitizing our very unsanitary image:”

“Desensitization”: flooding straight America with advertising presenting gays in the “least offensive manner possible.”

“Jamming”: Advertising that equates fear of gays with hatred of Jews, Blacks and women.

“Conversion”: Presenting images of gays that look like regular folks. “The image must be the icon of normality.”

They say “it makes no difference that the ads are lies” because “we are using them to…counter negative stereotypes that are every bit as much lies.”

This book was written in 1989 and obviously a campaign similar to this has taken effect. Read what the authors say about it:

“By Conversion, we mean something far more profoundly threatening to the American Way of Life [than subversion] …We mean conversion of the average American´s emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean…to turn their hatred into warm regard whether they like it or not.” (153)

Thus gays want Americans to learn that something they naturally and justifiably regard as sick, is in fact healthy. Thus Americans will be defenseless to resist their importunities whether in parks, barracks, bathrooms or classrooms.

It is a measure of the authors´ cynicism and self-deception that THEY quote psychologist M. Scott Peck, who in People of the Lie characterizes people who suffer from “malignant” narcissism simply as “evil.”

Evil people, Peck says, have “an unshakable will to be right and will not consider the possibility that they are wrong…Their main weapon, interestingly enough is the lie with which they distort reality to look good to themselves, and to confuse others.” (297)

Gays can continue to fool themselves. But let us not. Some of these people are evil. Their behavior is sick. And it´s contagious.

[csistrueblue]

I think between the two of you - the pervert is pretty obvious - hmmmmm!

[f.Christian]

Evil people, Peck says, have “an unshakable will to be right and will not consider the possibility that they are wrong…Their main weapon, interestingly enough is (REASON)the lie with which they distort reality to look good to themselves, and to (try)confuse others.” (297)

[FormerLib]

And a bump to a great quote. Yes, many of the actions of the pro-homo cheerleaders make sense when you consider the possibility that they are "People of the Lie."

[Old Professer]

How about Is This Gay Behavior Sick?

[BikerNYC]

Afraid to answer, huh? Afraid to be seen as the self-proclaimed moralist to all that will listen? Some of us are beyond you and your trite answers to complicated questions, always with the attitude that you (yes you, lucky for us to be alive when you are here to pronounce your solutions) have solved profound questions that have been debated for thousands of years.

Do a self-search, buddy, and see how many times you have visited FR's "sodomy threads." What you will find will not surprise me.

To quote a very thoughtful author:

"You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt."

I perfect description of your own fanatical obsession with this issue.

[Saundra Duffy]

Support the Boy Scouts of America. For victory & freedom!!!

[dixierat22]

Huh? You compare a tv show to the real world? That makes no sense at all! The 'Sopranos' is MAKE-BELIEVE. Join the real world, it's more fun, anyway.

[FormerLib]

"When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt."

So, when people suggest that we must defend our Constitution against the intrusion of increased Federal power, it is your belief that they believe the goals and rights enshrined in the Constitution are wrong and not because there really is a threat?

I believe this piece of anti-Christian doggerel can be tossed on the heap with all the rest.

[FormerLib]

Obviously, we have a true believer in the "right-to-buggery" wars here. I don't think you should waste anymore time upon he/she/it.

[ArGee]

Just about every reputable psychologist in the world disagrees with the assumption that homosexuality is a perversion.

"Reputable" = submits to peer pressure about what a psychologist is supposed to believe.

One very reputable psychologist (I have forgotten his name) did some research on ex-homosexuals and concluded that they were indeed former homosexuals who were now completely heterosexual. He was surprised by the findings - he expected to find something else. So he asked the APA if he could have a forum to discuss his results. They denied him and he is now a non-"reputable" psychologist.

Sticking that word "reputable" in your statement showed your true colors, GW.

Shalom.

[M. Peach]

I think there is more to your equation than meets the eye - certain customs and traditions have taboos for practical reasons that are relevant still today -

Why do you think Jews and Muslims don't eat pork? Most likely because many became ill or died when they ate tainted or uncooked pork. It may not be relevant today, but it still exists.

On the other hand why was homosexuality taboo? Could it be because of the numerous diseases associated with anal intercourse?

Why is beastiality taboo? Because of syphillis and other diseases associated with it - Take pedophila or incest - Why are they taboo? Could it have to do with the resultant consequences of that type of activity?

In my opinion - and I'm not being judgmental here - The next taboos to fall are pedophillia and beastiality - We're already seeing that in some of the more "fashionable" advertising....

[ArGee]

You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.

I'm not sure this is on topic, and maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but I am totally dedicated to Jesus Christ and I have complete confidence in Him. I would tell anyone who will listen that He is The Way, The Truth, and The Life and the only way to receive abundant life is through Him. On the other hand, I don't feel threatened when people disagree. If they don't want to believe me, that's their problem, unless they are a friend about whom I care very much.

Similarly, I would tell anyone that the sun comes up every morning. But if some idiot told me it didn't, I'd let him enjoy his fantasy world. Would it be my place to disabuse him?

Shalom.

[William Terrell]

You are very confused, my friend. The very foundation of material reality as applied to creatures is a testament that homosexuality is deviant and a perversion of normality. Historical and current observations are a testament that it is socially and personally destructive.

The only people who are able to tunnel their vision around these observable and unarguable truths are homosexuals and idiots. Homosexuality is and always has been, in every civilization on the planet past and present, uniformly denounced and that denunciation is part of the wisdom of the race along with the nature of women and men.

Homosexuality is simply mental sickness, an identity crisis. To think otherwise, socially, is equivilent to, individually, deciding you can fly and jumping off a cliff. The fall is the epitome of freedom itself, until the bottom arrives.

[Romulus]

Things "sacred" are too important to be limited by a concept of a deity.

Rubbish. You're proposing a definition so broad and slack that, at bottom, all it really means is "important, only in a deeply meaningful way that I nevertheless find impossible to express". This is high school romanticism -- and public high school at that. You might as well say that hunger's too important a concept to be limited to food, or wind too important to be circumscribed by an awareness of air.

The sense of sacredness cannot be severed from the concept of the divine without its meaning evaporating altogether. It can't be done.

Let me remind you that this discussion was started when you tossed off a wisecrack about the Church being anti-sex because it's fun. What makes you such an authority on what the Church teaches anyway? I ask only for information.

[eaglewatch]

Ref #111: If you replace the words "pro-homo cheerleaders" with the word "Jew," you will get my point about the Spotlight.

[eaglewatch]

Ref. 110: If your studied the Bible, you would understand that the "Sodomite sin" had nothing to do with homosexuals. It is the same sin that prevents the Afghan Muslims from turning over Bin Laden. READ - it is good for you!

[rightofrush]

Whereas I think that homposexual tendencies are a continum, a bit of gay-basing and harrassment might save those on the margin.

[eaglewatch]

Ref. #135: BIG BUMP on that one!

[Buffalo Bob]

Gotta agree with your first point Bob. But no way is queerism Satan's most proud achievement. That would be The SCUMBAG and The Hildebeaste.

You may have me there!