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Was there a Congressional Declaration of War on the Barbary Pirates? ( Maybe not!)
Various ^ | Nov. 20, 2001 | Self

Posted on 11/20/2001 6:05:04 PM PST by Texasforever

What We Have Been Told About the Declaration Of War On The Barbary Pirates Appears To Be Wrong

One of the more frustrating debates about this “war on terrorism” being discussed on the forum has been the legitimacy of Bush’s recent actions in light of the fact that Congress has not formally issued a “Declaration of War”. It is argued by a large contingent of libertarians and paleo-conservatives that all military actions and presidential powers exercised as the Commander in Chief in war time require this formal declaration by Congress to meet Constitutional muster. The other side, the “Bushies” for lack of a better term, argue that this is a different circumstance from any we have ever faced and that we are at “war” with a virtually faceless enemy and we have no idea from one day to the next where and in what country he will rear his ugly head and in which country we will be forced to assert military power in order to stop future terrorist activity.

The pro-formal DOW side and many media reports point to the “War on the Barbary Pirates” as the precedent we should be using. That has become the conventional wisdom and has been used to point out the model that Bush and Congress should be using. It does appear to be a very strong and compelling case and has had many of us, even some of us “Bushies” scratching our heads and wondering. It started me wondering about how the wording of the formal “declaration of war” on the Barbary Pirates read and so I started doing a search. The results were that the conventional wisdom appears incorrect.

From my research I have found that indeed war was declared on the Barbary Pirates, it was declared by President Jefferson, just as President Bush has declared war on terrorism. However; the Congress never formally declared war on the BP, in fact no lesser person than Alexander Hamilton stated outright that a formal declaration of war was NOT required when the nation was attacked by a foreign enemy and it was that interpretation that Congress embraced at the time. The Congress passed a joint resolution authorizing Jefferson to act much in the same way as the Terrorism Joint Resolution authorized President Bush to assume war footing as Commander In Chief.

I am attaching several references to this research. I think honest debate requires accuracy in the references we use to make our cases. I also know that this could be wrong on my part and if there is information to the contrary I am sure that many on the forum will correct the error. I hope this helps to do that.

Declaration of War

In the early draft of the Constitution presented to the Convention by its Committee of Detail, Congress was empowered ''to make war.''1412 Although there were solitary suggestions that the power should better be vested in the President alone,1413 in the Senate alone,1414 or in the President and the Senate,1415 the sentiment of the Convention, as best we can determine from the limited notes of the proceedings, was that the potentially momentous consequences of initiating armed hostilities should be called up only by the concurrence of the President and both Houses of Congress.1416 In contrast to the English system, the Framers did not want the wealth and blood of the Nation committed by the decision of a single individual;1417 in contrast to the Articles of Confederation, they did not wish to forego entirely the advantages of executive efficiency nor to entrust the matter solely to a branch so close to popular passions.1418

The result of these conflicting considerations was that the Convention amended the clause so as to give Congress the power to ''declare war.''1419 Although this change could be read to give Congress the mere formal function of recognizing a state of hostilities, in the context of the Convention proceedings it appears more likely the change was intended to insure that the President was empowered to repel sudden attacks1420 without awaiting congressional action and to make clear that the conduct of war was vested exclusively in the President.1421

An early controversy revolved about the issue of the President's powers and the necessity of congressional action when hostilities are initiated against us rather than the Nation instituting armed conflict. The Bey of Tripoli, in the course of attempting to extort payment for not molesting United States shipping, declared war upon the United States, and a debate began whether Congress had to enact a formal declaration of war to create a legal status of war. President Jefferson sent a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean to protect our ships but limited its mission to defense in the narrowest sense of the term. Attacked by a Tripolitan cruiser, one of the frigates subdued it, disarmed it, and, pursuant to instructions, released it. Jefferson in a message to Congress announced his actions as in compliance with constitutional limitations on his authority in the absence of a declaration of war.1422 Hamilton espoused a different interpretation, contending that the Constitution vested in Congress the power to initiate war but that when another nation made war upon the United States we were already in a state of war and no declaration by Congress was needed.1423 Congress thereafter enacted a statute authorizing the President to instruct the commanders of armed vessels of the United States to seize all vessels and goods of the Bey of Tripoli ''and also to cause to be done all such other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war will justify . . .''1424 But no formal declaration of war was passed, Congress apparently accepting Hamilton's view.1425

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To: Texasforever
Bump.
101 posted on 11/24/2001 12:44:17 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Texasforever
Thanks for the incredible research. It's good to know that the administration was probably acting with historical precedent. I'm still uneasy with (1) the powers that the government now has to protect the country against terrorism...worst case scenerio, they're still in place and Hillary or a Hillaroid becomes president and (2) the reluctance of the government to close the borders and send home non-citizens (is that why war isn't being declared?)
103 posted on 12/27/2001 6:13:07 AM PST by grania
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The beys of Tripoli and Tunis were still under the nominal surzeinty of the Ottoman Empire. They fall into a grey area of whether they even constituted independent nations. We also fought an undeclared war with the French Navy in the late 18th century and had serious altercations with the British Navy even before 1812 as well.
104 posted on 12/27/2001 6:24:19 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: Blade
In other words, because previous presidents have ignored the Constitution, Bush (or any other president) is justified in ignoring the Constitution too.

A total non sequitur.

105 posted on 12/29/2001 12:07:40 AM PST by rdb3
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To: Texasforever
Good reference bookmark and BUMP!
106 posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:24 AM PST by ppaul
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