Why would this be a problem,? Thought they were just trying to find out the truth. Since when is truth a problem? Oh, I know, when it conflicts with propaganda.
The fact that eyewitnesses saw either explosion or fire is not being brought forward by anyone in the mainstream press as a counter to the "wake turbulance" theory.
The tail fell off as a result of wake turbulance and fatigue, then the engines broke off as a result of a flat spin.
No bomb, no missle, no Martians, no sabatage.
They are not going to ground all similar aircraft for mechanical inspections if they know it was not caused by mechanical failure. If they call for a major grounding, then I'll be convinced it was mechanical.
So what caused the plane to go down before the explosion?
A flat spind would load the engine mounts in the weakest direction. The engines would break off and fly out and away from the path of the rest of the plane, and there could easily be major damage to the wings as the engines broke away, resulting in a fuel explosion. The engines were found 800ft from the main crash site (I think), the tail parts were considerably far back (I don't recall seeing the exact amount).
No coverup -- they have no motive -- flimsy aircraft will have as bad an effect on passinger confidence as flimsy security -- no motive to lie and cover up. Everything I have heard is consistant with mechanical failure of the tail, and the resulting flat spin.
I read "Proof" that it was engine failure.
I've read "proof" that the tail fell off in the wind!
We have all kinds of Experts here at FR. !!!
The many witnesses must be lying about an explosion and fire. That's the only way all the "proofs" can be right. We all know witnesses aren't valid.
By the way, I'm one of those "conspiracy freaks, loonies, tin foilers, stupid posters" that said there were people who saw an explosion and a fire.
Only the FR "experts" are allowed to be right!
Erase this article and the thread that goes with it. The author MUST be lying!
On Fox 5 NY a man named Kenneth Brown said this to Rosanna ? and John ?
John: Ken, you there?
Ken, yes yes I am.
John: Can you tell us what you saw Ken?
Ken: Alright, I was out on the boat about a hundred twentieth a hundred nineteenth st when un we stopped the boat cause we have an engine..yah know the engine was making weird sounds, so we stopped the boat and we were back by the engine and I heard a popping sound...not like a a a I cant even say it was an explosion, it was more like a pop and then like a whishing sound and then part of the wing came off.
John:Where was the plane at that moment?
Ken: Right over the bay. Right over the bay
John So is it almost right above you?
Ken: Yes, kinda to the north of us, cause we where more to the east channel drive at that time, on that side of Jamaica Bay and um the pieces that came off the wing...flew into the um tail and tore the tail off and as soon as that happened the plane went belly up towards us and towards the east and it just dove straight down, like the uhh the belly of the plane actually turned toward the south and it went straight down into the ground.
John: So you saw some big pieces of this plane come off...
Ken:We was the first ones on the scene and then the police boat came and we helped them pick up parts of the boat..uh..parts a the plane. We actually took up the blue A off of the tail we put that in the boat. Ummm the picture of the....another piece of the whole top of the tail with the flag on it was laying in shallow water. We took up allot of pieces of the boat...the plane we put it on the boat and took them in to the police boat an helped load em onto the police boat but a a the engine
Rosannabreaks in: Well it sounds like you have some crucial information Ken...
His voice rising Ken says: See the engine...everybody keeps saying the engine fell off...if it fell off it fell off on the way down....
John:U Huh
Ken: That plane as soon as its tail came off it just bellied up and went straight down, so yah know people saying yah know the engine came off, but that came off after the fact. Now as far as explosion, something was happening over the bay, something made the wing shatter and took of the tail. and uh the way I seen it , it still looked like it had its engines on as it was going down.
John: Have you spoken to anyone there uh Ken have you talked to any members of the..
Ken Yeh a yeh police I gave the police a guy in a police boat my name and all that and when I was helping em with ya know the parts of the plane
Woman Ken you sound very shacking up , I'm sure this has..
Ken: I'm still shacking, its a its just a terrible sight. Ya know its something ya see on a movie Ya know how the plane..ya just just knew it..that it wouldn't, as it was going down I was saying hit the ocean hit the ocean thinking ya know maybe it cleared, its only 4 blocks wide but the plane just turned over and came straight down. It was..its a sight to see..it was ya know stunned me
Woman Were you able to keep your composure and think clearly at that point?
Ken: Yes, actually actually the things was starting to fly down toward the boat so we backed up a little bit toward the the trestles the A train trestle and then we came back to see if they was any...ah cause at one time I thought I could see a seat but I wasn't even sure, Nothing heavy came down, everything floated down
Woman: Do you think you got everything that was in the water?
Ken Mostly everything that was floating yah. Cause a the police boat came like the within 5 minutes..3 minutes maybe but that plane was gone in 6 seconds, when I heard the popping sound and seen the flames seen the uh wing hit the back tail an that came off it couldn't a been more than 3 seconds for it was down
John: So your saying the wing came off and hit the tail?
Ken: Parts yes...the whole section of the tail was what we recovered. The A the little flag on the top of the tail section that whole section, like the 30 foot top of that was stuck in the sand...in the water about 5 feet of water but there was other pieces floating around..as a matter of fact I took the blue A and we pulled that part on the boat and brought it over to the police boat. They was asking for our help then allot of boats came by allot of police boats
John:Nick your sitting hearing what Ken is saying that if any any questions for him?
Nick Well um it sounds like Ken is your describing is a again that something exploded uh to cause these pieces of the wing to come out. Is that what you sug..
Ken: Exactly something happened to that wing that sent pieces of it back to the tail.
John was it the left wing or the right wing Ken do ya know?
Ken ahh see now like my friend..well.. a it bellied up to me and a when it bellied up to the east it a looked like the right wing cause the left wing still looked intact to me. It looked like the right wing had come off..or part of it
John: well that would fit with what the
(over talk..engine..saying..?)Nick: Unnn but again Ken Kinda saying the engine fell off after the fact but still potentially the engine exploding could could cause pieces of the engine to fly I mean what may have happened was a a series of events where pieces if the engine actually flew back and struck the tail or even that pieces of the engine and the wing at the same time so a but a Kens observations of the tail is a very interesting clue
John Do you live around there Ken?
Ken Yes, I live in Hamilton beach right off Jamaica Bay and a thats the whole thing..That plane would have went over Rockaway cause it was still like level until the tail came off and then it just bellied up and spun around and came straight down uh otherwise it would..that tail..as soon as it shattered thats when the plane lost everything
Nick: Now Ken did you see actual flames coming out of an engine that was..?
Ken: There was flames on the belly of the plane..I don't know weather it was the engine or ya know, but the plane bellied up towards us as it was going down and flames in the a..in that vicinity of the engines or whatever like underneath the plane
Well Ken we a thank you for your time
Ken: No Problem
If you want off my ping list, please let me know. . .
And I'm usually the first one on the conspiracy bandwagon.
Besides, if you haven't noticed, we don't have liars in the Whitehouse any more!
NO KIDDING!!!! REALLY - a puff of smoke AFTER it crashed. Wow, now thats news /sarcasm
On the voice recorder, the pilot remarked he heard a rattling noise on the plane. The cockpit voice recorder picked up the noise.
Now the question: Since when do bombs make a rattling noise? They usually just go KA-BOOM!
Well???
The truth would also save lives by forcing the FAA to actually regulate the industry. But at this point the number of innocents killed in the air is still acceptable to EVERYONE. We are happily chugging along toward a busy retail holiday season.
Don't be a party pooper and obsess about the ugly truth. We've got to keep the ekonomy going.
My theory is based on the rumbles the pilots heard. I believe the first rumble was a main tire exploding in the wheelwell which takes out the fuel feed lines and some hydraulics. The second rumble was a second tire going that may have been damaged by the first explosion which takes out the electrical lines and causes an explosion in the wheel well which would jibe with witness accounts of an explosion at the wing root and body. This scenario is what caused a 727 that went down in Mexico in early 70s so there is some history behind it. The fuel lines running to the engine are now gone so the plane loses thrust on one side.
In either case, one engine would have suffered a loss power so the plane yaws. The computer controls of the Hairbrush are not programmed for this emergency condition and overrode the pilot commands as he tries to correct for the loss of power. The loss of panels on or near the engine flew back while in the yaw and dislodged the tail.
I don't think any conspiracy stuff is at hand with this one unlike the TWA800. When the gray hairs of the NSTB look at the evidence, they are going to find it was either one of these two scenarios or a combination of the two.
It's a bomb,
IT"S A BOMB!
What a bunch of Keystone Cops