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To: MeeknMing
Researchers have found a curious timing relationship between the X-rays and visible light emanating from near one black hole. The amount of visible light dips 2 to 5 seconds before the X-rays peak, and then it rises again suddenly.

Here's a hypothesis, which is very likely wrong. As the material falls in towards the black hole, it begins to radiate as it loses gravitational potential energy. We see this as visible light. As it continues, it falls faster and faster, so that it radiates much more intensely. The radiation quickly goes up into the x-ray range. As the material approaches the event horizon, however, gravitational time dilation (i.e., the gravitational redshift) starts to dominate, and the x-ray radiation gets redshifted back down into the visible range.

What's wrong with this is that material doesn't fall straight in to the black hole, but whips around in a tight orbit--the accretion disk--so that the radiation from the infalling matter is successively redshifted or blueshifted by the Doppler effect, depending whether it is travelling away from you or towards you.

What might save my hypothesis is the optical distortion that exists around a black hole. If you look at the accretion disk around a black hole almost edge-on, it doesn't look like the disk of a galaxy. Light takes a curved path around the black hole, so that while the near side of the accretion disk is seen edge-on, the far side of the accretion disk is actually seen face-on! (Look at the simulated black hole image on this page, and you'll get an idea of what it would look like.)

If you look at the accretion disk face-on, of course, there is no Doppler wobble as the material whips around. Since it is possible that the light output could be dominated by the face-on part of the accretion disk, regardless of the orientation of the disk with respect to the observer--thanks to the distortion--my hypothesis might still be correct.

21 posted on 11/10/2001 6:04:35 AM PST by Physicist
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To: RadioAstronomer; Gordian Blade
Shoot me down on this one, lads!
22 posted on 11/10/2001 6:07:11 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist; Snow Bunny; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; .30Carbine; Uff Da; Sungirl...
Wow! A bit (quite a bit) over my head on a technical basis!:

What's wrong with this is that material doesn't fall straight in to the black hole, but whips around in a tight orbit--the accretion disk--so that the radiation from the infalling matter is successively redshifted or blueshifted by the Doppler effect, depending whether it is travelling away from you or towards you.


But I'll tell ya this: If we could harness this thing and use it a punishment, perhaps these LIBERAL enabler media types would straighten up their acts? LOL!

pings for good FReepers!

26 posted on 11/10/2001 7:04:34 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Physicist
, gravitational time dilation

According to Gott, you know him probably, black holes can allow time travel by warping spacetime excessively. The constraints are such that it wouldn't be any practical use, but it wouldn't be a surprise to observe some time differences.

35 posted on 11/10/2001 1:44:19 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Physicist
This one is over my head also, but I have a "ping" out to a friend of mine who may be able to shed some light in this (pun intended!) area. LOL
36 posted on 11/10/2001 2:45:45 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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