William Cooper Shot dead by sheriffs office Showlow, Az

MOM | Nov 6 2001 | Carolyn

[Order of the Garter]

From M.O.M...... I just received word that the Sherrifs department in Arizona has killed Bill Cooper it was being broadcast on channel 10 out of Showlow, Az.. Carolyn UPDATE.......................................................................................... I have called the sheriffs office in in Show Low , Az. 1-800-352-1850 I told them I was calling in regard to the killing of William Cooper they then gave me the comand center and told me to speak to Patty, that number is 520-333-5580. She would not give me any details she took my number and said some one would get back to me . At this time they have not called back. Maybe each one of you could give a call and see what kind of info you can get from them. Carolyn

[Native American Female Vet]

Bump For victory & freedom!!!

[Sandy]

RIP Mr. Cooper.

[Native American Female Vet]

It was never ratified

[Justin Thyme]

First off...for the record, I don't know Mr. Cooper from Adam. And I'm reserving judgement on what happened until more facts are known...objective facts.

But from your recent posts, I have a couple questions. Not trolling or anything, just really want to know....

The article says they were playing the roll of 'rowdy teenagers'. From that you would have everyone leap to the conclusion that he knew they were cops?

Would seem that they created a scenario where they wanted him to pull a gun. Hmmm . . .

Of the versions of the story I read, was that once Mr. Cooper was in their area addressing this fuss, the sheriff's identified themselves as sheriffs, at which time (depending on which account you read or believe) Mr. Cooper either drew a weapon and fired, or ran away, was fired upon, and then returned fire. Either way, the law enforcement identified themselves prior to rounds being fired. Undercover work has long been an accepted law enforcement practice. Did I miss something from the news reports?

As I mentioned in another thread on this, I do think it seems a little fishy that the sheriffs were acting like "unruley teens" at midnight. On the other hand, this is supposedly someone who they had tried to serve the arrest warrant to on 3 other occasions, and he evaded or refused to surrender. That's just asking for undercover work, and trying to take the suspect unaware. What approach should have been taken to apprehend an unwilling suspect?

It seems you know little about William Cooper. You may not have agreed with him, and to some Sheeple he seemed down right radical, but he was definitely one to talk the talk and walk the walk. Some of his thoughts were a little far out, but as often as not he was right on the money.

Well, using your initial phrase, if you are out to "talk the talk and walk the walk", that implies a willingness to back it up and take the associated risks. If he was "backing this up", and came out on the short end of it, I'm not entirely sure why I should feel sorry for him. I mean, I don't want to see him killed, or sheriffs. But as I see it, right now, there are two people dead. One was law enforcement, acting on an authorized arrest warrant. The other was someone resisting this arrest.

Like I said, I never heard of Mr. Cooper before today. Therefore, I have no preconceived notions for or against him. Working solely off what has been posted here at FR, these seem to be legitimate questions.

[ladyinred]

Yes, he was into the UFO stuff. A friend of mine dragged me to a convention for Mufon a few years ago and he was one of the speakers there.
He spoke more on the government however, then he did the UFO's!
(To clarify, I do not believe in UFO's but my friend does.)

[alnick]

A sad day in America? I don't like the IRS, but this guy shot first, according to the article I read. Of course the police shot back. That's what happens when you shoot at the police -- they shoot back.

[Steve_Seattle]

"It was never ratified."

Yes it was. The Supreme Court and other lower federal courts have repeatedly rejected the idea that the 16th Amendment was never ratified. I'm no lawyer, but I read some of the history on it, and I think the argument that it was never ratified is completely bogus.

[Steve_Seattle]

"To clarify, I do not believe in UFO's but my friend . . ."

Oh, I don't think everyone who believes in UFO's is a nut, but I think Cooper was. I've even read a few UFO books myself . . . :-)

[suijuris]

Well, using your initial phrase, if you are out to "talk the talk and walk the walk", that implies a willingness to back it up and take the associated risks. If he was "backing this up", and came out on the short end of it, I'm not entirely sure why I should feel sorry for him.

Let me preface by saying I am not a "radical right wing Militia nut, however I have listened to and read much of what William Cooper was about and believed in over the past ten years. I did not agree with all of what he had to say and I would not call myself a Cooper fan or follower, but some of what he said had merit.

To be sure we do not, as yet, know what went on in this particular scenario, but I can tell you from what has been describe thus far this type of police action is fairly common with the "constituionalist" type of patriots (of course the term patriot means different things to different people; some think it means total obediance to Fed Gov; to others it means one who believes in the litteral interpretation of the US Consitution). At least two of these "consitutionalist" types were killed in similar fashion in Ohio over the past several years, and there are numerous examples from other states as well. The warrants typically are small time BS and the situtations are designed to provoke confrontation.

[TheBlackFeather]

Cooper, like many others, has claimed that the IRS is a fradulent quasi-governmental agency with no real authority. He had refused to file or pay income tax for several years, on the basis that it's not a legal requirement, and even if it were, it would be unconstitutional.

On a related note, there was supposed to be a forum held with the IRS on questions of its Constitutionality, back around the same time as the 9/11 tragedy. Does anyone out there have a link or any background on whether this took place, results, etc.?

[Mercuria]

Here, too.

No report yet on exactly what "local issue" they were serving a warrant on him for?

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."

[Mixer]

Yes...Anyone who listened to him would know that the law would certainly set William up for the kill. He talked a lot about "If they ever try to come and take my gun I will be waiting for them". My best friend listened to WC a lot and we got into some heated debates about his views. Living in the USA though he had every right to have those views and should not have been "murdered" for them.

I certainly didnt agree with everything WC had to say but I am glad he had the balls big enough to speak his mind. It is just infortunate that it made him an easy target for this type of ending. They could have gone in there and killed him without return fire and because of his beliefs the story could still be told the same way.

Anyway I know a lot of people will miss WC (especially at 10 PM M-TH) so my thoughts go out to his listeners friends and family.

[Jethro Tull]

"He was a New World Order conspiracy theorist.

Is that the same New World Order Bush #41 spoke of often?

[bjs1779]

What it looks on the surface is a NWO-Hit team to silence a man that has continuosly given the NWO-pukes a HEADACHE...

If that is true, the MWO needs learn how to conduct business in this country. Namely, just burn down the house with him in it like our government does.

[Aerial]

I wish we had more William Coopers.

My spirit is really low right now.

I hope something good will come from his death. I don't expect the sheriff's dept. to tell the truth about what happened...that's for sure.

William Cooper will have plenty of company before it's over with.

[bjs1779]

I'm no lawyer, but I read some of the history on it, and I think the argument that it was never ratified is completely bogus.

Isn't the Equal Right Amendment still hanging out there in limbo for the lack of states that have not passed it? Do we need the lower courts and the Supreme Court to pass it? I never seen where they come into the equation of a state vote.

[monkeywrench]

"William Cooper will have plenty of company before it's over with." I'm afraid you're correct. Now, that big bro. is defining (or redefining) "Patriot".

[bjs1779]

"Now, that big bro. is defining (or redefining) "Patriot"."

He would of had more rights if he was of the Islamic faith....

[Free Vulcan]

I'm kind of where you are. I don't agree with Cooper totally, but some of his stuff was good. Guys of his stripe tend to get 'taken out' eventually, under suspicious circumstances, by LEO's pulling very shady tactics, all of which is covered up, with complicity of the DA and judge concerned. Helluva lot of risk and work to snuff people who are nutcase wackos. I hope more facts come out about this.