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Arab Nations Defend Islam's Image
Associated Press ^ | October 24, 2001 | Adnan Malik

Posted on 10/24/2001 12:45:10 PM PDT by inkling

Arab Nations Defend Islam's Image
By ADNAN MALIK
Associated Press Writer
October 24, 2001, 3:30 AM EDT

MANAMA, Bahrain -- Six Persian Gulf nations agreed Wednesday to launch a media campaign to combat the spasm of anti-Arab sentiment that has followed the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States.

The oil-rich group proposed setting up an English-language satellite television channel promoting a better image of Islam and Arabs to viewers in the West.

"We are putting our efforts together as ministers to reach all media in the Western world to explain our position that all Muslims and all Arabs are against terrorism," Bahraini Information Minister Nabil al-Hamer said after chairing a closed-door meeting of information ministers from the Gulf Cooperation Council.

Some Muslims complain they have been the victims of a backlash in the West since the Sept. 11 suicide jet attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

The hijackers identified by authorities are all Arabs, and the United States blames Osama bin Laden of masterminding the assault through a global terrorist network that recruits Islamic militants to attack U.S. targets around the world.

Violence since Sept. 11 has been blamed for hundreds of reported attacks in the United States on Muslims and Arab-Americans.

Hamad Ali al-Sulayti, assistant secretary-general of political affairs for the Gulf Cooperation Council, accused Western media of connecting Islam with terrorism.

The Gulf Cooperation Council is a loose political and economic alliance of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.

Abdulrahman al-Attiyah, Qatar's undersecretary for foreign affairs, praised his country's Al-Jazeera satellite television station, which has emerged as a key opinion maker because of its independent editorial policy -- a rarity in the region.

It also has become known for airing taped statements by bin Laden, and by the spokesman for bin Laden's organization, al-Qaida.

Copyright © 2001, The Associated Press


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To: hogwaller
"Islam is a beautiful religion. So is Christianity. But Christianity wasn't pretty when the Inquisition got a hold of it. Islam isn't pretty when held up by the Taliban."

Look Hogwaller, that's just Hogwash! Either we live in the 21st cenury or we don't. If we resort to these stupid comparisons of what somebody did in the 15th century, or the 10th century to justify what someone else does today there is NO PEACE EVER!

"I'm a white, American, Christian male living in the hills of Virginia defending Islam. You say Islam is evil. I know it's not. The hearts of men, especially in this day and age, are evil. And the evil isn't just from one religion or country. We all participate in it."

Why are you defending Islam? Perhaps it is because there is no groundswell from the Islamic community itself to argue that is not a religion that condones evil acts. Perhaps the problem is that there isn't ONE Islamic body with spokesman who can speak authoratatively for what Islam condones or doesn't condone.

What are your credentials as an authority on Islam, how many years have you studied the Koran, how many hundreds or thousands of Muslims have you interacted with to understand their interpretation and mindset?

61 posted on 10/24/2001 2:44:11 PM PDT by NilesJo
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To: hogwaller
Hey Hog, I have also had Muslim friends from the Middle East. I lived in the Middle East. The ones I knew were some of the nicest people you would ever want to meet. When we started talking about "religion," they quickly became some of the scum baggiest scum bags I never wanted to have anything to do with. I agree with that other poster. Islam is just a rallying place for some people.
62 posted on 10/24/2001 2:45:10 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: hogwaller
I don't claim, nor did Jefferson, to be prophet of God, nor a claimant to the foundation of any religion. Muhammed however, in claiming both of these, appears to have been a polygamistic, slave holding, war-mongering pedaephile. And if that's just cultural, than witness what islamic culture has wrought. Berlusconi was right in claiming western "superiority".

Plus, the so-called prophet was a lousy writer, if Arabic to English is any indicator.

63 posted on 10/24/2001 2:45:59 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: inkling
The oil-rich group proposed setting up an English-language satellite television channel promoting a better image of Islam and Arabs to viewers in the West.

Save your bandwidth, hanky-head. You could convince a whole lot more Westerners of your peaceful intent if you'd stop funneling money to murderers like bin Laden. And if you'd walk the walk as well as you talk the talk. If the West is growing to increasingly hate Muslims, it is a logical consequence of your roaring silence.

64 posted on 10/24/2001 2:49:18 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Mark17
I'm not even going to argue the point with him anymore. If what I've said isn't going to convince him, he just plain don't want to be convinced.

I'll tell him one thing though. The world is just PACKED with people who absolutely DESPISE Islam, with VERY good reason.

I'm one of the new converts. There's no live and let live in Islam and there never will be. We can kill every "terrorist" on the planet and we'll have the same problem in 20 years, because Islam will breed new ones and that disgusting book will help with the birthing of them.

Godspeed

65 posted on 10/24/2001 2:49:38 PM PDT by America's Resolve
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To: hogwaller
They Cheered.
66 posted on 10/24/2001 2:56:05 PM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: inkling
Islam: You want me in your "tolerant" camp? TURN OVER OSAMA !
67 posted on 10/24/2001 2:57:04 PM PDT by ChadGore
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To: America's Resolve
I could not agree more. I have never know a true Christian to defend that evil religion. I don't think a true Christian ever would. Take care, and keep your powder dry, you may need it.

Regards.

68 posted on 10/24/2001 3:12:59 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: hogwaller
"I'm a white, American, Christian male living in the hills of Virginia defending Islam. You say Islam is evil. I know it's not. The hearts of men, especially in this day and age, are evil. And the evil isn't just from one religion or country. We all participate in it."

Normally, I don't criticise peoples' beliefs. But I going to make an exception regarding you:
Man, are you naive. Just stay in those hills. You're a danger to yourself and the public. And remember not to play in the traffic when your venture into town.

69 posted on 10/24/2001 3:13:49 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: hogwaller
But Christianity wasn't pretty when the Inquisition got a hold of it.

If you're talking about the Spanish Inquisition, I think it's important to remember that was after 700 years of Islamic influence in Spain, you can hardly blame the Spaniards for learning some techniques from the Moslems who had overrun them for all those years. Plus it took 700 years and an Inquistion to rid themselves of that Islamic curse, and you can thank them for saving European civilization. Protestant Europe has never had to deal with Islamic invaders until now, hopefully it doesn't take 700 years to learn, it's easy to condemn the Spaniards if you don't take history into consideration.

70 posted on 10/24/2001 3:27:02 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: CathyRyan
It really don't matter Cathy.

You must have read the thread.

I give him specifics, ie the Emporer Arangzeb and his 3.5 million deaths, and he gives me back generatlities, ie Christianity's bloody history.

I give him official Koran and he gives me back "but my muslim buddies say ..."

I give him specifics of Islamic law and the execution of prostletizers and he gives me back generalities ie getting killed for preaching Islam in NY.

He doesn't care. He thinks what he thinks and apparently thinks he got the word straight from God's lips.

I thought I was fairly eloquent, but he'll NEVER be convinced.

Godspeed

71 posted on 10/24/2001 3:41:07 PM PDT by America's Resolve
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To: hogwaller
They say they know we're evil too.

Islam is a beautiful religion. So is Christianity. But Christianity wasn't pretty when the Inquisition got a hold of it. Islam isn't pretty when held up by the Taliban.

I'm a white, American, Christian male living in the hills of Virginia defending Islam. You say Islam is evil. I know it's not. The hearts of men, especially in this day and age, are evil. And the evil isn't just from one religion or country. We all participate in it

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DO NOT include me, and countless other FReepers in your "The hearts of men, especially in this day and age, are evil.....We all participate in it" statement.

During the Gulf War:

1.) How many hysterical Americans did you see rallying in the streets of America carrying weapons and signs chanting "Death to Muslims" or "Death to Arabs"?

2.) How many American leaders did you hear call for a war, (holy or unholy) upon the Arab world or Muslims? Call upon Americans to kill Muslims or Arabs anywhere in the world?

3.) How many Americans during the Gulf War attacked Arab or Muslim institutions or people in other parts of the world?

Don't claim equivalence where there isn't any. It's not only a cognitive mistake, it's immoral.

72 posted on 10/24/2001 4:29:03 PM PDT by StealthChild
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To: inkling
It's not just the radical Islamists that need diversity training--it is every repressive Muslim nation (meaning, every single Muslim nation on earth).

To be a Muslim nation means to deprive other religious groups of freedom of religion, those who embrace Christianity in particular, being slaughtered in particular.

These perverted Muslim leaders need to be totally repudiated by every advertising agency in the USA, and every agency that signs up to do their Nazi-like propaganda should be hounded out of business.

73 posted on 10/24/2001 4:35:18 PM PDT by twntaipan
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To: hogwaller
The founder of Islam specifically said to kill infidels. His motto was, "They will know you are my disciples by the sword you carry and how efficiently you use it."

Jesus, on the other hand, said, "They will know you are my disciples if you have love one for another".

You seriously pervert Christianity when you practice equivalency.

74 posted on 10/24/2001 4:38:45 PM PDT by twntaipan
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To: Mark17
Neither the Jews nor the Moors were under the jurisdiction of the Inquisition. The Inquisition dealt with heresies among Catholics and those converted to Catholicism. The Catholic Kings, Isabella and Fernando ruled over different Christian kingdoms each of them with their own laws and privileges. In the end, Isabella and Fernando used the Inquisition as an instrument of the state for the unification of the country establishing the first modern European state. The Spanish Inquisition’s jurisdiction superseded the regional laws in religious matters and was not under the control of the Supreme Pontific in Rome but under the Spanish Kings.

After 700 hundred years of Islamic domination the Christians regained power in Spain. It was a bloody struggle that lasted 700 years. During the Muslim invasion, many Jews living in the Christian Goths Kingdoms allied themselves with the invaders. After such long years of travails, Kings Isabella and Fernando, in order to consolidate the unity of their kingdom, decreed the expulsion of Moors and Jews that did not want to convert to Catholicism. Many prelates and Saints in Catholic Spain were converted or descendants of converted Jews. Those who choose to remain in their faith were not killed, they were allowed to sell their properties and leave the country with their possessions.

History repeats itself. U.S. received as guest with open arms millions of people of every country, religion and ethnic origin to end being betrayed by some of them. Being a visitor or a resident of the United State is a privilege not a right. There are people who, although enjoy the opportunities and freedoms of this country; they nevertheless, hate everything that America stands for. Those who are living in the U.S., legally or illegally, and do not share the values and principles of our country should be deported to the countries where they came from!

75 posted on 10/24/2001 4:50:49 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: Dqban22
In the end, Isabella and Fernando used the Inquisition as an instrument of the state for the unification of the country establishing the first modern European state.

I always figured there was more to it than meets the eye.

There are people who, although enjoy the opportunities and freedoms of this country; they nevertheless, hate everything that America stands for.

You are correct sir, many of them were born here too. Rush talks about them alot. Others were not born here, and do hate everything America stands for. Weird huh?

Those who are living in the U.S., legally or illegally, and do not share the values and principles of our country should be deported to the countries where they came from!

Isn't it amazing? These nerds come to America, to escape the 3rd world cess pools they were born in, and the first darn thing they try to do when they get here, is to turn this country into the same 3rd world cess pool they just left. They are idiots, of course.

76 posted on 10/24/2001 5:00:04 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: America's Resolve
For me "They Cheered" is the beginning, middle, and end to the discussion. They can say anything they want to try to defend Islam. There is really nothing else to say...They Cheered.
77 posted on 10/24/2001 6:37:50 PM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: America's Resolve
Thanks for your insightful posts. Regards,
78 posted on 10/24/2001 7:13:40 PM PDT by AMERIKA
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To: Mark17

My Thoughts....a simple letter...some simple questions....

TO: Gulf Cooperation Council Information Ministry
SUBJECT: Your English-language satellite television channel
promoting a better image of Islam and Arabs to viewers in the West
FROM: A potential viewer in the West

Dear Information Ministers from the Gulf Cooperation Council,

Your idea to reach all media in the Western world to explain your position that all Muslims and all Arabs are against terrorism sounds like a bold and interesting initiative, especially since the 11 September terrorist attacks on the United States were done by people who were both Arab and Muslims. That's a rough Public Relations job.

You've got to understand, many of us here in America get confused pretty easily when 18-Arab guys hijack airplanes full of ordinary people and crash them into buildings full of ordinary people, and tell us that they did it for Allah and Islam - it's pretty convincing for us to believe that they did it, well, for Allah and Islam. Now you come along and say it isn't true? I mean, these guys were about to die, why would they lie? You can understand our confusion, can't you?

I realize that your assistant secretary-general of political affairs for the Gulf Cooperation Council, accused the Western media of connecting Islam with terrorism. That's not exactly a stretch; I mean it is a reasonable conclusion to make, given the terrorists had Islamic prayers and instructions along with quotations from the Koran with them? Honestly, if these hijackers left behind letters that said they took down the WTC and the Pentagon on instructions from their grandmothers- we'd probably suspect a connection to dear old granny. We just need some clarification - were these terrorist Muslims and Arabs or not?

I must admit though, I've heard some people make the excuse that these terrorists; including Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda have gone out and 'hijacked' Isalm. Wow, these guys do get around; planes, trains, mail and an entire religion, all hijacked. You do have a PR problem. A really BIG one.

I can see why you want to set up an English-language satellite television channel promoting a better image of yourselves. Your PR people aren't doing too good of a job right now. You are probably scratching your heads about why most Americans link Arabs and Muslims to terrorisim. You had to there; I mean, it's an American thing, you probably wouldn't understand.

Well, perhaps I can help you out of this PR dilemma. I'd like to ask some simple questions that you could address in one of your first 'setting-the-record-straight' television shows about Islam and Arabs. Okay?

Just relax, take deep breath and be yourselves and answer these as honestly as you can and I'm sure that a lot of the confusion about Muslims, Arabs and Terrorists can be cleared up, pronto!

QUESTION #1: Are there two versions of the Koran floating around out there. If so, what is the difference between the Koran that the Terrorists are reading, and the Koran that the rest of the Muslim world is reading? Is there an Original Koran and Revised Koran? If so, who is reading which version? I mean, someone has to have the Koran right and someone else has to have it wrong! Right?

QUESTION #2: There seems to be no shortage of Muslims who agree with Bin Laden and other Terrorism Inc. members, et. al. Maybe millions. Shouldn't you have a program for these 'wayward' Muslims and their followers who have 'hijacked' Islam about the true meaning of the Koran and Islam?

QUESTION#3: Does Islam means peace, or does it mean surrender or submission as I've read in Arabic?

QUESTION#4: Why are you making such a large effort to convince Christians and other non-Muslims in the West that Islam is a peaceful, tolerant, kind, and respectful religion, but there is no such direct effort to convey the same messages into the Mosques and the Arab Muslim world; especially to those Muslims in Gaza, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Tajikistan, the Philippines, the West Bank, Sudan, Chechnya, etc.?

QUESTION#5: Why are Christian churches, Christian worship and Christian preaching banned in so many Islamic nations if Islam is so tolerant of all faiths?

QUESTION#6: Why don't you have a T.V. show, where you tell Osama bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, the Taliban and other Muslims who agree with them, that they have the Koran and the Prophet Mohammad all wrong?

QUESTION#7: Do you guys remember the author Salman Rushdie? Your religious leaders didn't waste anytime putting a price (FATWA) on his head and all he did is write a book that broke Islamic Law. Why don't you put a price on Osama Bin Laden directly and condemn him and other terrorist organizations as apostates for going against the 'peaceful, tolerant' Muslim Religion?

QUESTION#8: This is a very hard question that you may not want to answer. It is about Israel. Why haven't Muslims everywhere; including you'all (that's Southern for - All of You; up north we pronounce it Youse Guys), condemned the bombings of Disco's, Pizzeria's, or the killing of civilians and of school children in Israel?

QUESTION#9: Just what does the word 'innocent' mean in your language or the religion of Islam. This answer could clear up a lot of uneasiness for many of us in the West. Like, is a U.S. Postal worker 'innocent'? How about a 3-year old baby on a plane with his parents? How about a fireman trying to save lives in a burning building, even if they are Muslims and he is a Christian - is he an 'innocent?'

QUESTION#10: If Jihad; by definition does not include the concept of a violent 'Holy War', why do so many Islamic clerics and followers of the Muslim religion keep using it for justification of their killing of other people of other faiths or nations? Can these millions of readers of the Koran have it that wrong?

QUESTION#11: This is a personal kinda question but, I'm still not sure as a Christian, if I'm considered a non-believer that Muslims should live in peace with or if I am an infidel that should be killed for my corrupt life style, or my religious belief of Jesus Christ and the Trinity of God. I'd sure like to know.

QUESTION#12: Finally, I do watch a lot of T.V. and I am looking forward to your programs. But, just who were those people and children out into the streets in your area of the world that cheered the deaths of thousands of our innocent people on September 11th. They couldn't have been Muslims and Arabs could they?

Sorry for the long list of questions; my friends here in Ameican have told me that they have many more, but this should be enough to make at least one or two good T.V. shows. I would suggest some direct and specific answers that would help all of us in the West to gain a new understanding of Arabs and the Muslim world.

Not that I'm in a position to give you any tips, but most Americans like straight talk - not spin - so I would recommend that you avoid a history about the Crusades, or the U.S. foreign policy crap, or the rage of Muslims, or the Palestinians claims to the same lands as the Israelis, or comparisons to Christianity and Judaism, or stories of poverty or hunger, or the CIA, or other 'look-behind-you' answers. Just straight talk goes over real big here in the United States.

I have to hand it to you though, you fellas in the Gulf Cooperation Council are dead on target - Most of what has been said in the American Media has been either pure bull or a lesser mix of lies and rumors. You must have watched Oprah's show of Islam 101 or the evening news with Dan Rather or Peter Jennings.

Anyway, good luck with this enterprise. Us Americans would like nothing better than the truth about Islam and Arabs and your 'official' position on terrorism.

Oh by the way; while you are at it, perhaps you can broadcast some shows in your area of the world to help set the record straight for some of your people: You might consider instructing 'wayward' Muslims and their followers who have 'hijacked' Islam about the true meaning of the Koran and Islam. The bottom line is, I really don't care about your religion. Tell them about their religion! Just tell the Muslims who have their Koran and the Prophets' message all wrong - that they have it backwards and inside out. They seem to be the ones who need to understand the 'true' meaning of the Koran and Islam.

I am looking forward to watching your programs.

thank you,


Van Jenerette
Joe Average American Citizen; who drives a Dodge Pick-Up Truck
Major, Infantry, RA, U.S. Army(ret)
Ph.D. Candidate, University of South Carolina

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79 posted on 10/24/2001 7:22:26 PM PDT by Van Jenerette
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