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FBI Considers Torture As Suspects Stay Silent
The Times (UK) ^ | 10-22-2001 | Damian Whitworth

Posted on 10/21/2001 6:49:04 PM PDT by blam

MONDAY OCTOBER 22 2001

FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent

FROM DAMIAN WHITWORTH IN WASHINGTON

AMERICAN investigators are considering resorting to harsher interrogation techniques, including torture, after facing a wall of silence from jailed suspected members of Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network, according to a report yesterday. More than 150 people who were picked up after September 11 remain in custody, with four men the focus of particularly intense scrutiny. But investigators have found the usual methods have failed to persuade any of them to talk.

Options being weighed include “truth” drugs, pressure tactics and extraditing the suspects to countries whose security services are more used to employing a heavy-handed approach during interrogations.

“We’re into this thing for 35 days and nobody is talking. Frustration has begun to appear,” a senior FBI official told The Washington Post.

Under US law, evidence extracted using physical pressure or torture is inadmissible in court and interrogators could also face criminal charges for employing such methods. However, investigators suggested that the time might soon come when a truth serum, such as sodium pentothal, would be deemed an acceptable tool for interrogators.

The public pressure for results in the war on terrorism might also persuade the FBI to encourage the countries of suspects to seek their extradition, in the knowledge that they could be given a much rougher reception in jails back home.

One of the four key suspects is Zacarias Moussaoui, a French Moroccan, suspected of being a twentieth hijacker who failed to make it on board the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. Moussaoui was detained after he acted suspiciously at a Minnesota flying school, requesting lessons in how to steer a plane but not how to take off or land. Both Morocco and France are regarded as having harsher interrogation methods than the United States.

The investigators have been disappointed that the usual incentives to break suspects, such as promises of shorter sentences, money, jobs and new lives in the witness protection programme, have failed to break the silence.

“We are known for humanitarian treatment, so basically we are stuck. Usually there is some incentive, some angle to play, what you can do for them. But it could get to that spot where we could go to pressure . . . where we don’t have a choice, and we are probably getting there,” an FBI agent involved in the investigation told the paper.

The other key suspects being held in New York are Mohammed Jaweed Azmath and Ayub Ali Khan, Indians who were caught the day after the attacks travelling with false passports, craft knives such as those used in the hijackings and hair dye. Nabil Almarabh, a Boston taxi driver alleged to have links to al-Qaeda, is also being held. Some legal experts believe that the US Supreme Court, which has a conservative tilt, might be prepared to support curtailing the civil liberties of prisoners in terrorism cases.

However, a warning that torture should be avoided came from Robert Blitzer, a former head of the FBI’s counter-terrorism section. He said that the practice “goes against every grain in my body. Chances are you are going to get the wrong person and risk damage or killing them.”

In all, about 800 people have been rounded up since the attacks, most of whom are expected to be found to be innocent. Investigators believe there could be hundreds of people linked to al-Qaeda living in the US, and the Bush Administration has issued a warning that more attacks are probably being planned.

Newsweek magazine reports today that Mohammed Atta, the suspected ringleader who died in the first plane to hit the World Trade Centre, had been looking into hitting an aircraft carrier. Investigators retracing his movements found that he visited the huge US Navy base at Norfolk, Virginia, in February and April this year.


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To: Alissa
How can any of us rest with 1000s of more Mohammed Attas living next door?
21 posted on 10/21/2001 7:09:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: blam
The answer seems pretty simple to me. "If you don't answer our questions, we will "Hannibalize" you. Those pigs are pretty nasty you know and they love the soft parts of the groin."
22 posted on 10/21/2001 7:10:03 PM PDT by BulletBras
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To: blam
Hey,blam, there are no "innocents" here. Start with the drugs, then if we don't get any useful info, Its time for the variac (0-220 VAC) and extension cords with large alligator clips, then the pruning shears and pliers. This is NOT a time for "rights" and "easy questioning.

They WILL talk then, the faster the better. How about a barrel of chitterlings& pig s**t? I belive the details of use are quite well known.

This article, incidentally is awsome, I was truly moved. Having been involved with aerospace, I can frankly tell you that once a crash occurs one could walk through the plant and not hear a sound, even normal manufacturing was muffled. This didn't stop until someone passed the news that we weren't involved in anything connected with the crash. Then at least some production got completed. Everyone in the aviation industry feels a bond with everyone else there, and realizes that it is their component that stands between a relaxing flight and disaster. Having calibrated many instruments, I can still feel the cold fear that grips you when you hear that "XX Airlines just lost one"..especially if you know that you had done the instrument work for that aircraft..

Keep the Faith for Freedom

MAY GOD BLESS AND PROTECT THIS HONORABLE REPUBLIC

23 posted on 10/21/2001 7:14:00 PM PDT by gwmoore
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To: blam; dodger
These days, I think torture -- "elicitation" -- is a fair question again. We now have a need-to-know that goes beyond the rules of a polite, civilized society.
24 posted on 10/21/2001 7:14:43 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: blam
a senior FBI official told The Washington Post

Mr. Senior FBI official. Sir, perhaps you should dance your butt into Secretary Rumsfeld and ask him how you should proceed....then run like Hell. (I hear the Secretary has a tendency to kick gl-ass and break doors due to operatives' stupidity.)
25 posted on 10/21/2001 7:15:05 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: blam
It's about time. I've been considering torture since about noon on 9/11. Let's get what they know no matter what it takes.
26 posted on 10/21/2001 7:16:31 PM PDT by hauerf
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To: Marine Inspector
"I think we should play like the Russians did in the cold war. These people just disappear, never to be seen from or heard from again.

The message gets out loud and clear."

Two problems with that...

1. These guys are part of a suicidal death cult to begin with.

2. Their families are likely rewarded or punished depending on their loyalty to the terrorist's cause.

Ship them to Turkey.

27 posted on 10/21/2001 7:19:26 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Goldi-Lox
Bring out the big guns -- Yoko Ono Recordings...
28 posted on 10/21/2001 7:20:50 PM PDT by Jack Barbara
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To: jpthomas
There was a Russian official kidnapped in Lebanon or Iran in the late 70s or early 80s. The Russians sent somebody a shipment of body parts and the person was released. Anyone remember this incident?
29 posted on 10/21/2001 7:21:46 PM PDT by breakem
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To: blam
Options being weighed include “truth” drugs.

Options being weighed ? Why not use them, their not painful. IMO I don't consdider them torture so by all means use them !!

30 posted on 10/21/2001 7:22:40 PM PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: Sabertooth
"Ship them to Turkey."

Yup. The Turks will have them 'speaking in tongues.'

31 posted on 10/21/2001 7:22:44 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
How about an interview with the "new" CIA?
Haven't they been given free reign to "do whatever it takes"?
32 posted on 10/21/2001 7:23:53 PM PDT by error99
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To: blam
Chances are you are going to get the wrong person and risk damage or killing them.

Well then we will at least know the SOB is innocent; the bastard should've talked.

Damn right we should use torture! This is war. Thousands of American lives are at stake, perhaps millions. We've already lost thousands, and these demons know no bounds. Hang them by the thumbs and skin 'em alive until they either talk or die. One American life is worth 10,000 of theirs.

33 posted on 10/21/2001 7:26:44 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Texaggie79
Is it Safe?
Is it Safe?
34 posted on 10/21/2001 7:27:20 PM PDT by DaveTesla
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To: blam
Torture is unconstitutional and illegal to boot, which is all that needs to be said. You Freepers who approve of it disgrace yourselves as Americans.
35 posted on 10/21/2001 7:27:57 PM PDT by Grut
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To: blam
Take the suspects back to Afganistan and give them a 30 second head start!
36 posted on 10/21/2001 7:28:36 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Sabertooth
I'm amazed that someone hasn't posed the obvious ... torture isn't required, just don't let them sleep; within ten days they will tell you what you need to know, so keep a good translator handy round the clock after the fourth day; by day eight you're dealing with gelatinous brain syndrome, by day ten they will chew their tongue off to have a distraction. Oh, did I neglect to say they must be restrained 100%, unable to move? But that's just a minor detail ... the human brain cannot stand idleness; they will tell you anything you need to know, though you may have to filter it through the growing psychosis.
37 posted on 10/21/2001 7:28:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Sabertooth
What I find most troubling is that our borders are like swiss cheese.. and not just illegal crossings but also all the millions of foreigners coming to the USA each year on student visas, work visas, and tourist visas. The INS can't possible keep track of all these people. I doubt they follow up to make sure they actually goto school, goto work, etc. and that they leave the country before their visa expires.. This problem needs to be fixed, or else rooting out the terrorists currently in the USA will be a hollow victory.
38 posted on 10/21/2001 7:28:59 PM PDT by fleance
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To: blam
"The Turks will have them 'speaking in tongues.'"

For the period of time they still have tongues.

39 posted on 10/21/2001 7:29:05 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: error99
The Russian "elephant" is guaranteed to free up the information flow
40 posted on 10/21/2001 7:29:41 PM PDT by spokeshave
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