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F.B.I. Asks if Hijacking Plot Included Plane at Kennedy
New York Times ^ | Saturday, October 20, 2001 | MATTHEW L. WALD

Posted on 10/19/2001 9:48:49 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

October 20, 2001

F.B.I. Asks if Hijacking Plot Included Plane at Kennedy

By MATTHEW L. WALD

WASHINGTON, Oct. 19 — The Federal Bureau of Investigation is looking into whether a United Airlines flight scheduled to leave Kennedy International Airport for San Francisco was a target of hijackers on Sept. 11, aviation and law enforcement officials said.

The United plane, Flight 23, was late pushing back from the gate and was seventh in line for takeoff when Kennedy was closed because of the terrorist attacks.

When the captain announced that the plane was returning to the gate, four male passengers described as Middle Eastern in appearance stood up and began urgently consulting with each other, two aviation officials said. The men refused orders from flight attendants to return to their seats, the officials said.

The cockpit crew did not wait for the men to be seated but decided to taxi back to the gate anyway, the officials said. "As soon as the door opened, these four guys bolted," said one of the officials. The other added that the F.B.I. later interviewed the crew about the incident.

Law enforcement officials confirmed that the F.B.I. is investigating the incident. A United spokesman refused to comment, except to say that the passenger list had been turned over to investigators.

Like two of the four planes that were hijacked that day, the Kennedy plane was a Boeing 767, and like all four, it was scheduled for a transcontinental flight. Its scheduled departure time, 8:30, was within the time range of the four hijacked flights.

The question of whether hijackers had intended to take over more than four flights on Sept. 11 has been the subject of confused speculation in the last few days. On Wednesday, the head of the Federal Aviation Administration, Jane F. Garvey, said in a speech that her agency's quick grounding of commercial air traffic nationwide had thwarted other hijackings. But later in the day she said she had no evidence of other planned attacks and was relying partly on news reports of knives being found on other airplanes.

Other flights using Boeing 757's and 767's are under scrutiny because all four planes hijacked were of those two models. On the morning of Sept. 11, when the number of planes hijacked was still not clear, federal officials took a quick count of 757's and 767's still airborne and told air- traffic controllers to watch them for any unusual behavior.

In the days after Sept. 11, rumors and reports have swept the F.A.A. and airlines about possible additional targets, including an Air Canada flight scheduled to go from Toronto to La Guardia Airport, and an American Airlines flight at Kennedy waiting to take off for London, although the evidence for those cases appears to be circumstantial.

The Air Canada plane was scheduled to fly from Toronto to La Guardia but was caught on the ground by the closing of American airspace. On Sept. 14, when the plane was scheduled to fly to Calgary, Alberta, a passenger spotted two knives in an overhead baggage compartment.

But speaking to reporters in Washington on Tuesday, Herb Gray, the deputy prime minister of Canada, said that it was not clear when the knives were put on the plane, and that "they weren't the big box cutters" believed to be used by the hijackers of the other planes.

An Air Canada spokesman described them as "X-acto-type knives," saying that they had small, retractable blades.

The Air Canada plane was impounded by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police but then released. It was an Airbus A-320, which is considerably smaller than the 757's and 767's that were hijacked, and has a far different control system.

Some aviation officials also believe that American Airlines Flight 142, which was due to take off from Kennedy for London at 8:30 a.m. on Sept. 11, was also a target.

That plane was delayed at the gate when the cockpit crew asked for a mechanic to check a valve in an engine. When a delay was announced, one passenger asked to leave, so the cabin door was opened for him and closed again. Then, according to aviation officials, a second passenger also demanded to leave, and became "rude and indignant" when the door could not be opened immediately.

A cockpit crew member wanted to alert the F.B.I. immediately but did not know the passenger's name, the officials said. The flight attendants knew the man's identity, but they had been escorted out of the airport with the passengers.

That plane was a Boeing 777, which would have had an explosive force similar to a 767, but has a slightly different cockpit from the planes that were hijacked.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; aa142; aaflight142; aaflt142; aflight142; aircanada; airlinesecurity; airportsecurity; americanairlines; hijacking; hijackingattempts; jfk; laguardia; uaflight23; unitedairlines
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1 posted on 10/19/2001 9:48:49 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
The first reports of other swarthy types on grounded jets started leaking out on 9/12. Why did it take the media a month and a half to get around to looking at this angle?
2 posted on 10/19/2001 9:52:08 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: JohnHuang2
The first reports of other swarthy types on grounded jets started leaking out on 9/12. Why did it take the media a month and a half to get around to looking at this angle?
3 posted on 10/19/2001 9:52:09 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: JohnHuang2
Wow. Is this the same bunch of guys were were in the airport bar while the TV coverage had started? I read this on FR in the first couple of days. An off duty copy noticed two M-E men deep in conversation, NOT glued to the images on the TV. When he approached them, they bolted. Someone else saw two M-E men running out of the terminal building, apparently picked up by a car/taxi? I remember reading this, but don't know if it was confirmed, but I remember that being connected by some M-E men causing a scene at a cancelled flight, and then running off before the airport police arrived. Any confirmation, JH?
4 posted on 10/19/2001 9:53:46 PM PDT by bootless
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To: bootless
I remember that, though I'm not sure if the account (as described) was ever nailed down/confirmed.
5 posted on 10/19/2001 9:55:57 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Bolted from the plane? Maybe they had to use the bathroom, or time for morning prayers? Whoever made the call to ground all airliners should be given a medal. That call saved thousands of lives and maybe some national monuments.
6 posted on 10/19/2001 9:57:04 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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The question of whether hijackers had intended to take over more than four flights on Sept. 11 has been the subject of confused speculation in the last few days.

Five weeks after the fact, the lamestream media is beginning to dribble the facts out to the sheeple.

If one reads closely, the omissions are still clear.

7 posted on 10/19/2001 9:57:42 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Timesink
Now they are getting hard up for anything new. Some of this came out at the time, if memory serves.
8 posted on 10/19/2001 9:59:33 PM PDT by The Real Deal
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks. I wonder if I ever bookmarked it...
9 posted on 10/19/2001 9:59:37 PM PDT by bootless
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To: Timesink
They have been busy answering their fan mail.
10 posted on 10/19/2001 10:01:10 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Fred Mertz
Five weeks after the fact, the lamestream media is beginning to dribble the facts out to the sheeple.

If one reads closely, the omissions are still clear.

Bingo, amigo.

11 posted on 10/19/2001 10:03:06 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Four grounded aircraft were known to have three, four and five Arab men listed, each seated in first class, all bearing one-way tickets. On two of the grounded flights, three of the tickets were purchased with a credit card used by some of the nineteen hijackers.

Were there other planned hijackings on 9/11? DUH.

12 posted on 10/19/2001 10:03:31 PM PDT by onyx
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To: Timesink
The first reports of other swarthy types on grounded jets started leaking out on 9/12. Why did it take the media a month and a half to get around to looking at this angle?

$63,000,000 question.

13 posted on 10/19/2001 10:04:10 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: onyx
Bump!
14 posted on 10/19/2001 10:05:39 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
An Air Canada spokesman described them as "X-acto-type knives," saying that they had small, retractable blades.

They are probably talking about this model, x-acto's "little orange knife"....(with a very sharp blade)


15 posted on 10/19/2001 10:05:52 PM PDT by BansheeBill
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To: Fred Mertz
I read or heard somewhere that about ten of the 19 tickets were bought with one credit card, and that there were 4 other tickets bought as well on a plane which was grounded. This should be easy to check if true.

If true, the FBI is for sure holding back a lot of info.

16 posted on 10/19/2001 10:06:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: JohnHuang2
There could have been six to 20 other possible planes to be hi-jacked. It could have been much worse! We may eventually know the number if we can get one of the suspects in custody to sing.
17 posted on 10/19/2001 10:07:06 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: BansheeBill
They could have been hobbyist(?)
18 posted on 10/19/2001 10:10:50 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup
"That call saved thousands of lives and maybe some national monuments."

I agree 100%. Cheney immeditely comes to mind.

19 posted on 10/19/2001 10:14:09 PM PDT by blam
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To: Travis McGee
FWIW, I followed the 9/11 events on FR as I was at work. I distinctly recall a FReeper posting that he heard David Hackworth on radio claim that eleven planes were hijacked.

I'm putting it here for point of reference. The FReeper had no reason to make it up. I'm wondering what Hackworth's immediate sources were, because this was reported around 10:00 am on FR.

20 posted on 10/19/2001 10:15:04 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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